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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 5:54:46 PM   
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Back to the Axis. Once again there is little for the Germans to do now. For the Japanese, the same applies - they have a chance of a 2:1 with no modifiers against Changsha..but they bottle out.

The turn fizzles out....

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 6:08:22 PM   
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Production

Germany:
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Yamato
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 6:13:11 PM   
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Production

China:
Fighter
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Phoebe
Anson
Pilot
Infantry HQ

France:
Fighter
Pilot
Submarine

USA:
AMPH
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Pilot
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 6:15:50 PM   
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End of Turn

Belgium conquered by Germany

Spitfire I overrun and forced to rebase?? Why did it do that? Looks like the hex west of Antwerp contained a Belgian unit and an aircraft and so the hex turned German when Belgium was conquered... Probably right but annoying...





Not right. It's a bug...

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 6:17:41 PM   
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Reinforcement

Germany:
Submarine has been placed in the Construction Pool
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Bomber
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Zero
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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 6:18:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

May/Jun 1940
End of Turn

Belgium conquered by Germany

Spitfire I overrun and forced to rebase?? Why did it do that? Looks like the hex west of Antwerp contained a Belgian unit and an aircraft and so the hex turned German when Belgium was conquered... Probably right but annoying...





Not right. It's a bug...
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Reported.


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 6:22:58 PM   
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China:
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Marine

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 6:26:06 PM   
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Initiative and Weather

The Axis keep the Initiative and the weather is Fine everywhere.

The Germans use their Offensive Chit with Rundstedt.


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:16:23 PM   
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The Germans have a real problem here. Their fighters (the few they have left) are all out of position - but they cannot afford to give up this opportunity.

They send two Stukas, one to Calais and one to the resource hex southeast of Lille - each escorted by a fighter. The British respond with all three fighters available to Fighter Command - 2 Spitfires and 1 Hurricane. The French send in four of their five available fighter aircraft.

The Germans cannot respond with sufficient aircraft to achieve parity... this is a real gamble.

For the attack against Calais the RAF has a 5.6:5.9 advantage...

Round 1

6 (AA) The CW decides to abort the Stuka - there will be no +1 for any subsequent attack...
7 (DA) The CW Spitfire is aborted, bringing the battle to an end.







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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:21:56 PM   
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For the second fight the Germans actually have the advantage - 6.0:5.0 - even though the French can muster four fighters, but again it all comes down to getting the bomber through.

Round 1

13 (No Effect)
13 (No Effect)

Round 2

12 (AC) The Stuka gets through!
2 (AX) The MS406 is destroyed (pilot survives)

The Germans actually win an air battle!!!




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:24:02 PM   
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The bomber hits just one of the three targets - but its better than nothing.




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:36:32 PM   
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Four Attacks - three in France and one in China to follow.....

At Calais, Gort provides HQ support, as does Georges south of Lille.

The Germans bring in two bombers for the Calais Assault, escorted by a Me-109 in case the British decide to bring in any bombers themselves.. they choose not to.

No aircraft are available anywhere else that would affect the score.



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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:43:28 PM   
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For the first attack we head to China and the city of Changsha. It's a 5:1;6:1B with no modifier. The Assault table is chosen by the Chinese general.

Its a 7 - the Chinese lose 2 units and will lose the 3rd as there is nowhere to retreat to.

There is a penalty for entering a Chinese city but the Japanese do not care a jot. They are truly on a roll now...




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:51:09 PM   
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So to Europe and three, knife-edge attacks one 2:1 and two 3:1.

First up is a real last minute attack (with no modifier) south of the Ardennes. The Germans choose the Blitzkrieg table and cross absolutely everything...

... the result is a 7, retreating the 2 French Corps and disorganising the attackers.




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 8:58:35 PM   
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The next attack is a 3:1 +2 southeast of Lille. Again the Blitzkrieg table is chosen and OKW take a in a collective gulp of air....

... its another 7 (modified to 9). The French lose one unit and the remainder are shattered. The Germans convert to retreat.




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 9:04:19 PM   
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And so to the last attack of the impulse - Calais. This is a 3:1 +1 with the Germans again choosing the Blitzkrieg table...

...and the Germans roll a 1....They lose a unit and the remaining two are disorganised.




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 9:11:04 PM   
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The Germans end the impulse using HQ Re-organisation to reorganise some of the ground troops for the next impulse. Its going to get very interesting....




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 9:24:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay peeps - what would you do now?

1. Would you land another BEF in Calais? (There is an ARM and ART available)
2, Would you pull back with the French to maintain a line (sacrificing the MS406 fighter)?
3. Would you simply hold position?
4. Would you try counter-attacking? Odds no better than 2:1 no modifier. 1:1 in the south.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 9:47:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Okay peeps - what would you do now?

1. Would you land another BEF in Calais? (There is an ARM and ART available)
2, Would you pull back with the French to maintain a line (sacrificing the MS406 fighter)?
3. Would you simply hold position?
4. Would you try counter-attacking? Odds no better than 2:1 no modifier. 1:1 in the south.

I would definately reinforce BEF in Calais with one armored and one ART. Then I would begin a withdraw from the maginot line. 1 units in each of the maginot hexes is enough at this point. Except that I would hold the line as is.

Do remember that the weather can turn bad.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 9:50:31 PM   
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The next attack is a 3:1 +2 southeast of Lille. Again the Blitzkrieg table is chosen and OKW take a in a collective gulp of air....

... its another 7 (modified to 9). The French lose one unit and the remainder are shattered. The Germans convert to retreat.




I do understand why you retreated that surviving French units. But I do suspect that it would have been to Germany's advantage to have shattered it.


Edit: As long as they are in supply they need a real attack to kill them and there are only few more German attacks before the winter.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 10:01:32 PM   
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The British War Cabinet have been taking advice from General Orm, the Swedish liaision officer. Orm has advised Churchill to land another BEF in Calais as quickly as possible. Churchill likes the cut of Orm jib and gives the order immediately!

The Home Fleet sail as a covering force for the Transports that land the Artillery and WDF Armoured Corps to Calais - "Good work Ormster" exclaims Churchill.




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 10:13:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would certainly reinforce the BEF. Where is Alexander? He could have been produced by now. The longer the French campaign goes, the better for the British.

There is no reason to retreat; the positions you would retreat to are no better defense than your current positions -- make the Germans take the ground, don't give it them.

The French need more units in front of the Germans, and the only place to get them is the Maginot line. I would
not empty any hexes, but I would certainly pull units out of the Maginot line.

I would not even think of attacking -- that is far more likely to produce a disaster than not. A S/O France is a great victory for the Allies; there is a good chance of holding even longer. If you can get to N/D, who knows what the weather will do? Just delay, delay, delay.

One thing is essential: Paris needs a unit in it, if not two. Otherwise there is the possibility of a blitz attack getting a unit into Paris, triggering Vichy. That would be embarrassing.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 10:19:14 PM   
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I would certainly reinforce the BEF. Where is Alexander? He could have been produced by now. The longer the French campaign goes, the better for the British.

There is no reason to retreat; the positions you would retreat to are no better defense than your current positions -- make the Germans take the ground, don't give it them.

The French need more units in front of the Germans, and the only place to get them is the Maginot line. I would
not empty any hexes, but I would certainly pull units out of the Maginot line.

I would not even think of attacking -- that is far more likely to produce a disaster than not. A S/O France is a great victory for the Allies; there is a good chance of holding even longer. If you can get to N/D, who knows what the weather will do? Just delay, delay, delay.

One thing is essential: Paris needs a unit in it, if not two. Otherwise there is the possibility of a blitz attack getting a unit into Paris, triggering Vichy. That would be embarrassing.
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Well we don't want any of that around here now do we? After all, we are not at home to Mr Cock-up


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 10:21:41 PM   
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Impulse: 3

Meanwhile, the Japanese have closed the Burma Road....

So for impulse 3 the weather is just Fine and Dandy. What can the Axis do about that?

There is just one hex that the Germans are eyeing in France. There is no chance of a ground strike and so a Blitz table is a must - that means the hex northwest of Reims is the one.



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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 10:41:41 PM   
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Just 2 attacks this turn. Billotte lends HQ Support to the attack north of Reims, but no aircraft are deployed elsewhere - the French because they cannot alter the odds, the Germans, because the French still have a VG-33 Arsenal to hand...




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 10:45:47 PM   
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The first attack is that against Metz. Its 4:1 no modifier and the French will choose the Assault table...

...its a 7. The attackers are all disorganised but the French lose the 13th Infantry Corps.




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 10:47:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bit late now, but exactly what did you do with your offensive chit? I hope it was not a super combined in this case. The Germans need to use ground impulses and double a pile of units for combat to crack the lines and send the Western Allies packing. Using Runstedt, you had 8 units to double this combat.

Your attack against Gort was listed as a 3-1. Double the two German corps and it should have been 6-1. Bye Gort. 2 units doubled, you have 6 left.

Double the 6-4 and 7-3 not attacking across the river on the 55, 32 attack and that would have gone from a 2-1 to a 4-1. 2 units doubled, you have 4 left.

For the 53, 30 battle, double all 4 German corps involved in the fight. That fight becomes a 7-1. Kiss the stack goodbye Frenchie.

The turn should have been 5 dead French units (or 4 dead and 1 shattered) and a dead Gort. Unless the Brits built Alexander as soon as they could, that takes care of any BEF on the soil of France and the French losing 5 units and having their line pierced in two spots spells absolute major trouble for the French.

My two cents is in the first French campaign, you always shatter French units. Make him put them back on the board and the reason why is there are not that many French cities near the front, so the French player actually has some issues trying to funnel re-enforcements up to the north part of the line.

I have come to appreciate what a offensive chit can do to a defensive line when a good commander is used and that is generally turn it into Swiss cheese with a lot of dead defenders.

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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 10:50:51 PM   
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The troops taking part will not be pleased to hear it said, but fact is, that was a sideshow. This attack is the crucial one. Its 4:1 +1 on the Blitzkrieg table and the Germans really need a good result here to pressure the French near Paris...

...but its only a 5 (6)...

The French lose the 1st Infantry Division, and listening to General Orm's sage advice, the Germans do not convert the shattered to retreat this time.




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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 10:53:49 PM   
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Bit late now, but exactly what did you do with your offensive chit? I hope it was not a super combined in this case. The Germans need to use ground impulses and double a pile of units for combat to crack the lines and send the Western Allies packing. Using Runstedt, you had 8 units to double this combat.

Your attack against Gort was listed as a 3-1. Double the two German corps and it should have been 6-1. Bye Gort. 2 units doubled, you have 6 left.

Double the 6-4 and 7-3 not attacking across the river on the 55, 32 attack and that would have gone from a 2-1 to a 4-1. 2 units doubled, you have 4 left.

For the 53, 30 battle, double all 4 German corps involved in the fight. That fight becomes a 7-1. Kiss the stack goodbye Frenchie.

The turn should have been 5 dead French units (or 4 dead and 1 shattered) and a dead Gort. Unless the Brits built Alexander as soon as they could, that takes care of any BEF on the soil of France and the French losing 5 units and having their line pierced in two spots spells absolute major trouble for the French.

My two cents is in the first French campaign, you always shatter French units. Make him put them back on the board and the reason why is there are not that many French cities near the front, so the French player actually has some issues trying to funnel re-enforcements up to the north part of the line.

I have come to appreciate what a offensive chit can do to a defensive line when a good commander is used and that is generally turn it into Swiss cheese with a lot of dead defenders.

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Erm.... no idea really. I stated it was Rundstedt and I know at the end of the turn I got cheaper (half-price) re-org costs for him. I didn't get any chance to increase odds - maybe the HQ had to be in the attack to achieve that?


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RE: Bob Flemin's MWIF AARse II The Sequel - 12/21/2013 11:04:02 PM   
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The French line looked pretty damn sold not very long ago - now suddenly they have a rather dangerous looking gap at the junction of their northern and southern army groups (where the disorganised Potez lies....)




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