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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/23/2015 2:24:34 PM

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So much treasure invested in building the Yamato and Mushasi for what appears to be little payback. Maybe why I kind of like mods that have all that steel going to CVs and smaller warships.

OT - Fletchers LOVE knife fights!!

It would be nice to have 30 more destroyers, but the Yamoto sank several light cruisers, and managed to get in several bombardments, notably destroying for a little while Allied air superiority when I first took over the game in Java. In all my other games, albeit against the AI, I never built these ships.

So, I am sad, but not devastated. I wish I had gotten your post about low task force numbers just a little earlier in the day.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/23/2015 2:39:50 PM

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If the Deathstar comes calling on the Bonins, I may set up a surprise for him.

I have two level 2 airfields -- capacity 100 planes each; and 1 level 1 airfield for an additional 50 planes.

The Deathstar has, according to my intel, 210 fighters and 145 bombers spread across two task forces. My guess is there is more likely 300-400 fighters.

So If I attempted an offensive strategy here I could put in place two 75 fighter escorted 24 planes Judy strike packages, leaving 50 fighters in the middle for air defense. The escorts could be predominantly Georges. I don't know if that could get thru his CAP.

Or I could simply stuff the air bases with as many fighters as possible looking to attrit his fighters.

Or Allies could simply bombard....and stay out of reach, or turn around, or make a run in another direction like the Marianas.

Decisions.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/23/2015 3:54:10 PM

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If the Deathstar comes calling on the Bonins, I may set up a surprise for him.

I have two level 2 airfields -- capacity 100 planes each; and 1 level 1 airfield for an additional 50 planes.

The Deathstar has, according to my intel, 210 fighters and 145 bombers spread across two task forces. My guess is there is more likely 300-400 fighters.

So If I attempted an offensive strategy here I could put in place two 75 fighter escorted 24 planes Judy strike packages, leaving 50 fighters in the middle for air defense. The escorts could be predominantly Georges. I don't know if that could get thru his CAP.

Or I could simply stuff the air bases with as many fighters as possible looking to attrit his fighters.

Or Allies could simply bombard....and stay out of reach, or turn around, or make a run in another direction like the Marianas.

Decisions.

300-400 fighters? How? At this date he would have the following CVs/CVLs/CVEs (minus whatever you've sunk):

3 Yorktowns
Wasp
2 Lexingtons
3 Essex (plus Bunker Hill coming from Balboa on 9/27/43)
9 Fighter groups size 36, can't resize until 1944...

4 CVL (with a 5th in transit from Balboa)
Size 12 fighter groups don't resize to 24 until 11/1/43
He could put 18-plane USMC groups on board, sure - especially if you have PDU Off.

4 "real" CVE, capacity 31 (carry size 21 VF groups but they can resize to any size)
6 "replenishment" CVE, capacity 28
5 27-cap CVE (carry size 18 VF groups)

So OK, that's up to 714 fighters... but you've sunk at least 2 CVs, right? That drops it closer to 600 than 700, and if the CVEs aren't present then you're talking about 372 minus whatever you've sunk.

With no CVEs, I'd expect a CAP of around 150-200 if he has a 300 max VF.

If he goes for the Bonins, won't he activate kamis?

Can you have long range escorts fly from Pagan/Saipan/etc. and pile onto any strikes from the Bonins with Nells from the Marianas?

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/23/2015 4:51:12 PM

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I have sunk 2 Lexingtons, 1 Yorktown and Long Island. Illustrious, and Hermes too.

CVLs are present. So that is 2 Yorktowns, 3 Essex, Wasp. So 10 Yank carriers, plus one British I think Victorious -- yeah more like an CVL.

I don't think he is invading, I think he is raiding, and I think his target is the HI and not the Bonins. However, I am probably wrong, but he now has 4-9 detection levels around Tokyo coast.

I set up two offensive bombing forces at the Bonins with 75 escorts each; one the northern tip of Marianas with Lilly IIb and Oscar IVs; and as much as I could stuff at Yokohama. He is too far to target industry, but he could do other things.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/23/2015 4:59:59 PM

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I got so wrapped up with the Allied Deathstar, I forgot about my midget subs tests.

I have two slow midgets leaving Sabang, heading to Car Nicobar, and then heading home and disbanding at Trinkat. A long run, but they will have 100 endurance left after making the trip.

It would be delicious if one of them could hit an Allied sub on the way!

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/23/2015 8:20:37 PM

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I have sunk 2 Lexingtons, 1 Yorktown and Long Island. Illustrious, and Hermes too.

CVLs are present. So that is 2 Yorktowns, 3 Essex, Wasp. So 10 Yank carriers, plus one British I think Victorious -- yeah more like an CVL.

I don't think he is invading, I think he is raiding, and I think his target is the HI and not the Bonins. However, I am probably wrong, but he now has 4-9 detection levels around Tokyo coast.

I set up two offensive bombing forces at the Bonins with 75 escorts each; one the northern tip of Marianas with Lilly IIb and Oscar IVs; and as much as I could stuff at Yokohama.

The long range recon thing on your coastline tells me he's doing 1 of 2 things:

1) Satisfying curiosity

2) Looking to raid.

Even with FOW, he's going to see the sizes of factories and all that jazz. He won't know their types until he recons, but he can see the size. He may be looking to cripple your late war aircraft production, which honestly is just about the only thing going strong for you

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So his CV-based VF numbers aren't actually that high. Sub-300 on fighters for sure with 3 USN fleet CVs down, unless he transferred VB or VT units off in favor of USMC VMF units.

I didn't count Illustrious and Hermes as Illustrious withdraws before this time and Hermes is so slow as to relegate her to moving with the CVEs, and I didn't count Long Island either.

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He is too far to target industry, but he could do other things.

Not entirely true. He could be as far out as 12-16 hexes PLUS extended range on his planes (with DTs), that could be out to 26 hexes or so and be able to set a city attack target on something. Can you search out that far? Reliably? Perhaps in a radius around the Bonins, but he could go farther north, into a blind spot...

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/23/2015 8:34:47 PM

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I have sunk 2 Lexingtons, 1 Yorktown and Long Island. Illustrious, and Hermes too.

CVLs are present. So that is 2 Yorktowns, 3 Essex, Wasp. So 10 Yank carriers, plus one British I think Victorious -- yeah more like an CVL.

I don't think he is invading, I think he is raiding, and I think his target is the HI and not the Bonins. However, I am probably wrong, but he now has 4-9 detection levels around Tokyo coast.

I set up two offensive bombing forces at the Bonins with 75 escorts each; one the northern tip of Marianas with Lilly IIb and Oscar IVs; and as much as I could stuff at Yokohama.

The long range recon thing on your coastline tells me he's doing 1 of 2 things:

1) Satisfying curiosity

2) Looking to raid.

Even with FOW, he's going to see the sizes of factories and all that jazz. He won't know their types until he recons, but he can see the size. He may be looking to cripple your late war aircraft production, which honestly is just about the only thing going strong for you .

So his CV-based VF numbers aren't actually that high. Sub-300 on fighters for sure with 3 USN fleet CVs down, unless he transferred VB or VT units off in favor of USMC VMF units.

I didn't count Illustrious and Hermes as Illustrious withdraws before this time and Hermes is so slow as to relegate her to moving with the CVEs, and I didn't count Long Island either.

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He is too far to target industry, but he could do other things.

Not entirely true. He could be as far out as 12-16 hexes PLUS extended range on his planes (with DTs), that could be out to 26 hexes or so and be able to set a city attack target on something. Can you search out that far? Reliably? Perhaps in a radius around the Bonins, but he could go farther north, into a blind spot...

He is 21 hexes from Yokohama...I thought that is outside of targeting industry -- doesn't really matter, I wouldn't have changed anything anyhow. Would he really raid close to a undamaged, well supplied level 9 airfield? I guess we will find out...

If his recon is high enough he will spot what the factories make, won't he? In Downfall, as the Allies I can,but I can't remember if it is before or after a bombing run.

I checked and he can see one SamJ & one Ki202 factory. But he can tell somethings from Tracker can't he? Like engine advances?

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/23/2015 8:55:22 PM

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Scratch that, Allies pretty much are here to stay as far a recon is. That is until I can take Marcus back again, 2 months for the troops to prepare, and then an opportunity to attack and by then he will probably be in the Marianas too.

Well, it solves one problem I was having - where to put my one squadron of Jacks. Now, they go to HI defense where their small production numbers hopefully won't matter, but I guess it is only a matter of time before Allies start raiding the HI. I can see him using Fletchers or more to bombard or air strikes from his carriers.

Perhaps if he wanders too close I can give him a bloody nose. Wishful thinking hasn't worked out too well for me, but there is always tomorrow.

Maybe he will take one of the islands and activate kamikazes for me.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/23/2015 9:08:10 PM

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Even with FOW, he's going to see the sizes of factories and all that jazz. He won't know their types until he recons, but he can see the size. He may be looking to cripple your late war aircraft production, which honestly is just about the only thing going strong for you .

Thanks for the vote of confidence there...most days it doesn't even seem strong.

Too little, too late.

I do have 4 million supplies at Tokyo. That is kind of strong.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/23/2015 10:42:40 PM

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I have sunk 2 Lexingtons, 1 Yorktown and Long Island. Illustrious, and Hermes too.

CVLs are present. So that is 2 Yorktowns, 3 Essex, Wasp. So 10 Yank carriers, plus one British I think Victorious -- yeah more like an CVL.

I don't think he is invading, I think he is raiding, and I think his target is the HI and not the Bonins. However, I am probably wrong, but he now has 4-9 detection levels around Tokyo coast.

I set up two offensive bombing forces at the Bonins with 75 escorts each; one the northern tip of Marianas with Lilly IIb and Oscar IVs; and as much as I could stuff at Yokohama.

The long range recon thing on your coastline tells me he's doing 1 of 2 things:

1) Satisfying curiosity

2) Looking to raid.

Even with FOW, he's going to see the sizes of factories and all that jazz. He won't know their types until he recons, but he can see the size. He may be looking to cripple your late war aircraft production, which honestly is just about the only thing going strong for you .

So his CV-based VF numbers aren't actually that high. Sub-300 on fighters for sure with 3 USN fleet CVs down, unless he transferred VB or VT units off in favor of USMC VMF units.

I didn't count Illustrious and Hermes as Illustrious withdraws before this time and Hermes is so slow as to relegate her to moving with the CVEs, and I didn't count Long Island either.

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He is too far to target industry, but he could do other things.

Not entirely true. He could be as far out as 12-16 hexes PLUS extended range on his planes (with DTs), that could be out to 26 hexes or so and be able to set a city attack target on something. Can you search out that far? Reliably? Perhaps in a radius around the Bonins, but he could go farther north, into a blind spot...

He is 21 hexes from Yokohama...I thought that is outside of targeting industry -- doesn't really matter, I wouldn't have changed anything anyhow. Would he really raid close to a undamaged, well supplied level 9 airfield? I guess we will find out...

If his recon is high enough he will spot what the factories make, won't he? In Downfall, as the Allies I can,but I can't remember if it is before or after a bombing run.

I checked and he can see one SamJ & one Ki202 factory. But he can tell somethings from Tracker can't he? Like engine advances?

With high enough detection levels he can see the exact planes the factory makes. At a little lower detection it shows the size of the factory and it also shows disabled factory units which can indicate which factories you are converting from one plane to another an/or enlarging.

He is better off attacking your manpower than individual factories but neither will make you happy.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/23/2015 11:07:57 PM

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Just a thought, but maybe his intent is to get you to waste aircraft attacking a heavily defended force?

Devil's advocate :)

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 12:28:55 AM

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October 11, 1943

One small night naval bombing at Trinkat. Maybe I will try to LRCAP some Irving S and see if they can shoot a few down.

Deathstar moves back a little, so no big air battles.

Search turned up an unescorted cargo convoy north of Akyab, so I routed three Iboats to intercept and got it perfectly!

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 12:40:32 AM

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Burma Road...1/2 the Allied Tank Army is making good progress, one hex away from my troops digging in. IJA defense is bolstered by 200 fresh AV...but I need equipment that can stop tanks all too few here some IJA 43 squads and some Type 95 light tanks and the inherent artillery & at equipment in the infantry squads.

Forts at level 1.

If they can buy some time the Heavy Artillery, Tank Regiments, Tank & Inf Divisions are on the way. I would like to hold the hex due to the south if I can...

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 12:46:15 AM

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Just a thought, but maybe his intent is to get you to waste aircraft attacking a heavily defended force?

Devil's advocate :)

That is a good point, and I had thought of it.

I would take that, on the off chance he either sends ships forward and LRCAPS them, or exposes his Carriers. I had planes attacking high, medium and low, something would get thru, and it is a long way back to a friendly port.

More likely he is threatening as many axis of attacks as he can to spread my forces out more, get me to burn fuel, etc. Or will observe and strike when there is a perceived weakness in my defenses.

I do have to now greatly raise my search and be ready...will hamper pilot training, etc, etc. Luckily most of the HI are defended by the Navy whose pilots are already trained and I don't have the spare pilots to train outside of one to two groups still flying Claudes.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 12:48:05 AM

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With high enough detection levels he can see the exact planes the factory makes. At a little lower detection it shows the size of the factory and it also shows disabled factory units which can indicate which factories you are converting from one plane to another an/or enlarging.

He is better off attacking your manpower than individual factories but neither will make you happy.

That is what I thought too.

Manpower attacks are really only devastating in three locations in the HI...hopefully I can avoid them for a while yet.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 12:52:05 AM

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Full speed ahead! Charge of the midgets!

Gosh, there are even ships in port for them to attack. PT boats no doubt.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 12:52:50 AM

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With high enough detection levels he can see the exact planes the factory makes. At a little lower detection it shows the size of the factory and it also shows disabled factory units which can indicate which factories you are converting from one plane to another an/or enlarging.

He is better off attacking your manpower than individual factories but neither will make you happy.

That is what I thought too.

Manpower attacks are really only devastating in three locations in the HI...hopefully I can avoid them for a while yet.

You forget the aircraft production center just north of Tokyo. (Or maybe you count that as a group).

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 12:57:57 AM

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You forget the aircraft production center just north of Tokyo. (Or maybe you count that as a group).

There is only 2 manpower there, where you able to get it to actually burn down factories?

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 1:01:38 AM

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Once the scene of triumphant Japanese victories...Northern Oz is a backwater.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 1:13:09 AM

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Another HI base scanned from the sky...I guess it is fair to say that the Allies see me researching Sam J and Ki202 heavily. I wonder if he had a good laugh over that! I did!

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 1:15:23 AM

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I don't think I mentioned it, but my Peggy T factory finally repaired!

Also, I have topped over 900 Allied ships sunk...not counting LCTs.

But I think my best days are behind me...

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 1:21:38 AM

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I'm not sure if Tracker shows it on the Allied side when an IJ aircraft or engine advances in production. You CAN see it in the in-game database, which is the "D" key. Really clunky, but it's given me some insights. And it definitely shows the effects of R&D to both players.

But really, once you're within bombing range of the HI, you aren't caring so much WHAT you're destroying, just that you're destroying industry for the points. Massive points.

As long as you get enough hits on the Manpower itself, you can burn down industry centers even at a place with Manpower 1. Beware.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 1:26:39 AM

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I haven't talked in a long time about shipping resources etc.

Here is a look at what is unloading at Shimoneski from Fusan.

Everything is working very well, but drawing from Urumchi stops, starts, stops, pretty darn tough.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 1:25:02 PM

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Well, I said I wouldn't build anymore of these guys, but I went ahead and built the next two since they were so close to completion when I turned them off.

Part of me just wants to play with all of the ships, even the relatively worthless ones.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 1:32:43 PM

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Deathstar and its satellites the Fletcherstars.

I have been very cautious at setting naval attack ranges, and the Allies seem to send ships to 8-9 hexes from my bases. Right now there is no recon on the Bonins, it is all focused on the HI.

I think I may assemble a large strike force of Betties to hit him, but for now a lot of them are still training. Their torpedo skills are good, but I also want to get lowNav, to strike at a group of destroyers like this.

I also am thinking about sending out the 5 squadrons of Lilly IIb, IIcs against them as they have the range also.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 1:58:58 PM

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In Jan of 44, Japan starts to produce a very interesting midget sub: fast with endurance.

I am hoping to use them very aggressively in the Marianas, assuming I still have them by then. Or the Bonins. But you can make them at one port and send them in waves against an invasion force...neat!

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 6:50:04 PM

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Scratch that, Allies pretty much are here to stay as far a recon is. That is until I can take Marcus back again, 2 months for the troops to prepare, and then an opportunity to attack and by then he will probably be in the Marianas too.

Marcus is an atoll, just 6k troops. Just use a division and it's yours, prep or no prep. Don't forget to bring along a garrison and pull the division off. Once the death star leaves of course�.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 7:35:46 PM

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Wait a minute?

Are the Americans in control of Marcus and you are contemplating taking it back?

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 8:05:51 PM

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Wait a minute?

Are the Americans in control of Marcus and you are contemplating taking it back?

Contemplating something like that.

I haven't done anymore than assign restricted units to prep for it.

It will not be easy, no matter what Mike just said and I am not sure Atoll invasions are something Japan should be doing in late 43 anyhow.

However, I don't think I will ever get an opportunity to do anything about it. It would take my entire navy, and then I would simply lose Marcus a few months later anyway. So what is the point?

I see how I can do it with only one days warning, except for sigint warnings. It definitely could be a disaster of the first magnitude for almost no real gain.

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RE: Conflict Marcus Island - 2/24/2015 8:09:57 PM

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