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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 1:02:47 PM

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KB will be at Legsapi this day, all except for Kaga which is steaming to that area.

Lots of naval, port, airfield strikes and sweeps by Tony and George over Rota. I don't see how Tinian can hold for much longer, maybe a few days max depending upon how aggressive the Allies are.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 1:03:03 PM

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That is no deathstar.

KB go SMASH!

PS. Why he is activity seeking battle is completely beyond me. Oblige him.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 1:11:45 PM

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That is no deathstar.

KB go SMASH!

PS. Why he is activity seeking battle is completely beyond me. Oblige him.

It was a deathstar at the beginning of the operation...but it has worn down some. If he sticks around, all my pilots will be fresh, his will have been fighting for a while and degraded.

I have no clue what he will do, best guess is he will concentrate everything at Rota and move deathstar south to join/cover. He has oilers, etc...so I am hitting the port at Rota too. I am hoping the sweeps can really nail the air cover more. I should have 800 planes in the air over the Marianas this turn, more waiting in the wings.

I am fearful of overloading the airbases too much for fear of a devastating naval bombardment.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 1:22:45 PM

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Other big news, is the first attack at Chungking will take place. I believe I have timed it correctly for the 3 shock attacks across the river to close off those three hexsides, along with a full deliberate attack by everything in Chungking.

I suspect it will be really bloody.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 2:27:16 PM

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Allied ship losses in the last 2 weeks...Anzio is not sunk.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 2:33:26 PM

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A game look at the Fletchers sunk so far...

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 2:52:20 PM

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Toko Rockets advance to 5/45. Production looks to start around 6/44 if I can make it that far.

The D5Y1 Myojo advances to Jan 44 tomorrow. I had hoped to use this plane in the defense of the Marianas. If we are still fighting here in a month, I probably will be able to. Yes, I realize it is slow, but it does pack a punch and I am ways off from the final generation Judy.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 3:26:30 PM

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Other big news, is the first attack at Chungking will take place. I believe I have timed it correctly for the 3 shock attacks across the river to close off those three hexsides, along with a full deliberate attack by everything in Chungking.

I suspect it will be really bloody.

Yikes!

So it's about a two day run into the strike zone for the Southern Marianas from Legaspi. I'd let Kaga meet halfway there, or closer, since she's slow.

Good luck on tomorrow's strikes!

If you feel like Tinian is reeling is there anything that can be flown in to shore it up at least until the naval/air battles are more decided and you can see if he is able to hold superiority in the area? I think IIRC both Tinian and Saipan held out for over a month against massive Allied armies in my game with Jocke. The CD guns can really help if he didn't land enough supply there and needs to go back in.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 3:56:17 PM

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Other big news, is the first attack at Chungking will take place. I believe I have timed it correctly for the 3 shock attacks across the river to close off those three hexsides, along with a full deliberate attack by everything in Chungking.

I suspect it will be really bloody.

I fear you are asking for trouble with these settings. Better to put everything else in reserve and let the units suicide-shock across the river, IMO. You are risking the loss of units not involved in the river crossing to the river shock attack. I had several artillery units die because, even though they were set to defend orders, I had units shocking across rivers to close those hex sides....and they were killed in counter bombardment, I think. Again, the units of mine that died were set to defend - not bombard.

And so, your settings make me nervous.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 4:15:13 PM

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I also question the river attacks. Why are you worried about those hex sides? You could break a division into 3 parts and have the other 2 divisions in the main on the proper side of the river.

Just having units in the adjacent hex(s) should prevent him from retreating through that side.

This is so easy from my armchair :]

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 4:22:17 PM

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Hi Lowpe. Really surprised the allies went after Mariannas so early. I dont think his CV air can stand up to you.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 4:36:11 PM

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Chunking:

A while back I got a lot of advice to close all the hexsides and try at least one deliberate attack.

I was perfectly content to simply lay siege and move everything out; and I guess that is what will happen after a horrendous combat.

However, the Chinese have moved out units on four occasions shock attacking me...so I figured keep the bombing and bombarding up and give it a try.

Too late to change now...

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 4:37:40 PM

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Hi Lowpe. Really surprised the allies went after Mariannas so early. I dont think his CV air can stand up to you.

From your lips (or keyboard) to the Dice Gods' ears!

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 4:40:39 PM

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If you feel like Tinian is reeling is there anything that can be flown in to shore it up at least until the naval/air battles are more decided and you can see if he is able to hold superiority in the area? I think IIRC both Tinian and Saipan held out for over a month against massive Allied armies in my game with Jocke. The CD guns can really help if he didn't land enough supply there and needs to go back in.

I have a full IJA heavy Division, several smaller units (regiments, brigades), artillery heading out...but they need to arrive after the KB, of course.

I am not flying anything in, I guess I should have been.

However, he has landed with so much don't think I could fly enough in too hold...need heavy guns.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/19/2015 10:35:02 PM

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I also question the river attacks. Why are you worried about those hex sides? You could break a division into 3 parts and have the other 2 divisions in the main on the proper side of the river.

Just having units in the adjacent hex(s) should prevent him from retreating through that side.

This is so easy from my armchair :]

Unless he moves them out, shocking across onto your units in force... I'd rather suicide some Armoured Car Companies across the river and buy them back afterwards. Then you don't need to worry about sitting units on the other side of the hex border.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 12:02:45 AM

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If you feel like Tinian is reeling is there anything that can be flown in to shore it up at least until the naval/air battles are more decided and you can see if he is able to hold superiority in the area? I think IIRC both Tinian and Saipan held out for over a month against massive Allied armies in my game with Jocke. The CD guns can really help if he didn't land enough supply there and needs to go back in.

I have a full IJA heavy Division, several smaller units (regiments, brigades), artillery heading out...but they need to arrive after the KB, of course.

I am not flying anything in, I guess I should have been. However, he has landed with so much don't think I could fly enough in too hold...need heavy guns.

You'd be surprised what forts and terrain can do. One bad DA and he might be waiting 1-2 weeks for the next.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 8:07:29 AM

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No advice, just

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Cheers,
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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 12:07:25 PM

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Nov 4, 1943

4 Judies attack at night and miss...

Guam bombarded at night...

Bad weather prevents all the planes from flying in the Marianas, but some helens and escorts make a high altitude bomb run on Rota.

Afternoon, everyone gets shot down. 4 disjointed attacks, all of them get thru to make runs on the CVEs but no hits. Only George sweeps and they are disjointed and run into P47s.

So Allies have 50 fighters in the north, and 100 at Rota and have Tinian now.

230 planes lost to 13 for the Allies. About 100 were planes destroyed on the ground at Tinian.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 12:09:54 PM

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Good roll at Chungking. Not.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 12:12:06 PM

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But Chungking is fully closed off, and I did drop the forts one level.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 12:15:34 PM

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Some days are just better than others...

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 12:36:21 PM

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So Allies have 50 fighters in the north, and 100 at Rota and have Tinian now.

230 planes lost to 13 for the Allies. About 100 were planes destroyed on the ground at Tinian.

A 'little' more details on what happened on Tinian please.

I was thinking you had a decent chance of holding on in Marianas until I read this. Some night bombing on Rota is in order to see if you can find and sink any AEs and/or AKEs that are there. If he can reload his warships there, he can bombard Guam and Saipan's AFs to keep them closed.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 12:43:08 PM

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Ouch!

Not much more to say really, except you need the KB asap!

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 1:28:17 PM

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So Allies have 50 fighters in the north, and 100 at Rota and have Tinian now.

230 planes lost to 13 for the Allies. About 100 were planes destroyed on the ground at Tinian.

A 'little' more details on what happened on Tinian please. I was thinking you had a decent chance of holding on in Marianas until I read this. Some night bombing on Rota is in order to see if you can find and sink any AEs and/or AKEs that are there. If he can reload his warships there, he can bombard Guam and Saipan's AFs to keep them closed.

All I had were forts and an infantry division basically. He had two marine division, a regiment, 2 tank battalions, and 17 other units.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 1:34:52 PM

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Ouch, that sucks. I though you could hold for a couple of days at least?? Erik held for 2-3 weeks and he had about the same thing you have. But I had way more then your opponent does.

All you can do now is try and make him pay for the Marianas. If you can defeat him in a CV battle and isolate the Marianas you might be able to buy a couple of months.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 1:52:46 PM

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Ouch, that sucks. I though you could hold for a couple of days at least?? Erik held for 2-3 weeks and he had about the same thing you have. But I had way more then your opponent does.

All you can do now is try and make him pay for the Marianas. If you can defeat him in a CV battle and isolate the Marianas you might be able to buy a couple of months.

Tinian held for three attacks I guess...I didn't have a single good roll.

Bonins are only 1/3 defended with about 12K defenders in each base. Yap, Ulithi have engineers. All my best troops in the area are forward at Kusaie, Ponape, Truk, Rabaul, Port Moresby line which is totally bypassed as is the entire SRA.

All of my November reinforcements will need to go to shoring up Daito, Bonins, Naha, Luzon, Davao.

Pretty bleak, but good play on the Allies and poor play on my part. He timed his aerial movements and shore bombardments perfectly. Me, not too well.

I still have the KB, and he is very aggressive and looking for a fight though.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 2:21:30 PM

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Not bad at Chungking. I'll take 30K casualties to drop the forts to 5. Rest up, check your units with low morale and cycle them out, and bomb the snot out of his guys. Only 3882 AV of his there will crumple quickly, especially if you can manage to bring in another 1500 AV. If not, you're looking at a semi-long slog. Maybe 6-8 months with current troops, and that's if you bomb him.

Happy to go into much more detail if you need advice

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 3:31:49 PM

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Not bad at Chungking. I'll take 30K casualties to drop the forts to 5. Rest up, check your units with low morale and cycle them out, and bomb the snot out of his guys. Only 3882 AV of his there will crumple quickly, especially if you can manage to bring in another 1500 AV. If not, you're looking at a semi-long slog. Maybe 6-8 months with current troops, and that's if you bomb him.

Happy to go into much more detail if you need advice .

If I bring in more, the 1500AV how long do you think they can hold. I am thinking I should go for this, as it is about the only positive thing I have going for me right now...

Should I keep bombing the airfield to burn supply, or is supply never making it to the runways being eaten instead by the troops. I have been bombing the airfield 75 percent and the troops 25 percent, but not with a lot. That could change.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 5:30:52 PM

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Not bad at Chungking. I'll take 30K casualties to drop the forts to 5. Rest up, check your units with low morale and cycle them out, and bomb the snot out of his guys. Only 3882 AV of his there will crumple quickly, especially if you can manage to bring in another 1500 AV. If not, you're looking at a semi-long slog. Maybe 6-8 months with current troops, and that's if you bomb him.

Happy to go into much more detail if you need advice .

If I bring in more, the 1500AV how long do you think they can hold. I am thinking I should go for this, as it is about the only positive thing I have going for me right now...

Should I keep bombing the airfield to burn supply, or is supply never making it to the runways being eaten instead by the troops. I have been bombing the airfield 75 percent and the troops 25 percent, but not with a lot. That could change.

If you are concerned about him flying in fighters to shoot you down, then I would keep bombing the airfield a little bit.

However, in my experience bombing the troops is far better at hastening the fall of the city. It will disable squads and disrupt the units (however slightly).

Chungking gets 420 supply per day, I think. It might be 400 or 600. Somewhere in that range. The trouble is, you can't bomb that supply out, I think. It makes it into units before you can possibly hit the airfield. I haven't tested this to be sure, but in my limited experience observing the effects of airfield bombings, there is always at least X supply at a base that's just been bombed, where X is the amount that it gets organically.

If you can get forts down to 3, you will really start noticing a ton of disablements from aerial bombing. Once I had forts down to 2, my 400ish IJAAF bombers (daily) were causing >1000 casualties. Very helpful.

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RE: Invasion Marianas - 3/20/2015 5:33:36 PM

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Not bad at Chungking. I'll take 30K casualties to drop the forts to 5. Rest up, check your units with low morale and cycle them out, and bomb the snot out of his guys. Only 3882 AV of his there will crumple quickly, especially if you can manage to bring in another 1500 AV. If not, you're looking at a semi-long slog. Maybe 6-8 months with current troops, and that's if you bomb him.

Happy to go into much more detail if you need advice .

If I bring in more, the 1500AV how long do you think they can hold. I am thinking I should go for this, as it is about the only positive thing I have going for me right now...

Should I keep bombing the airfield to burn supply, or is supply never making it to the runways being eaten instead by the troops. I have been bombing the airfield 75 percent and the troops 25 percent, but not with a lot. That could change.

Ah, I forgot on how long it would take.

It depends on how much damage your units take during the attacks and how long you wait in between attacks. Waiting longer means less damage to your units. I can't really give you an estimate until you do a real deliberate attack. Where are your tank divisions? They would really help here.

The ratio of his devices destroyed to disabled is not good in that attack. That is probably a function of your poor odds on the attack. It will be the beginning of the end when it is roughly half and half for him. I kept records of my attacks against Bullwinkle, but the size of the troops on each side was a little over 3x what you have here.

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