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RE: Unorthodox - 5/14/2015 11:54:50 PM

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Surely though its a good location to host tf's to run in from the midway point between the HI and the bonins? - well out of his recon, for the final sprint in?

I'm just thinking of Obvert's last few turns in his current updated AAR where a bit of patience and nous payed off, slightly different situation and location but the principal is there.

Kitchen Sink time :) (maybe)

Chris, you are stealing my strategy.

KB is going to cut behind, from Ominato area. But I will use destroyers and fast E's from Torishima. MTBs and Midgets from the Bonins themselves. And Iboats to harass the advance.

Fighter ons the small airbases, with plenty of other planes to fly into and out as needed. Once the airlift is over, Emilies on night attack from Yoko.

I doubt he will be able to land and take the islands quickly, so this will be a protracted fight.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/15/2015 12:52:33 AM

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This is going to be very interesting.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/15/2015 1:51:27 AM

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I have found MTBs and fast Es quite useful in separating CV taskforces away from amphib groups- occasionally they retreat from a surface threat which may allow KB a clear run.

Closer to HIs, if you can scatter allied TFs there is always a chance they accidently stumble onto CD guns, mines or both which may lead to a massacre.

Good hunting :-)

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ORIGINAL: chriscollins

Surely though its a good location to host tf's to run in from the midway point between the HI and the bonins? - well out of his recon, for the final sprint in?

I'm just thinking of Obvert's last few turns in his current updated AAR where a bit of patience and nous payed off, slightly different situation and location but the principal is there.

Kitchen Sink time :) (maybe)

Chris, you are stealing my strategy.

KB is going to cut behind, from Ominato area. But I will use destroyers and fast E's from Torishima. MTBs and Midgets from the Bonins themselves. And Iboats to harass the advance.

Fighter ons the small airbases, with plenty of other planes to fly into and out as needed. Once the airlift is over, Emilies on night attack from Yoko.

I doubt he will be able to land and take the islands quickly, so this will be a protracted fight.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/15/2015 2:17:59 AM

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I have found MTBs and fast Es quite useful in separating CV taskforces away from amphib groups- occasionally they retreat from a surface threat which may allow KB a clear run.

Closer to HIs, if you can scatter allied TFs there is always a chance they accidently stumble onto CD guns, mines or both which may lead to a massacre.

Good hunting :-)

Possibly multiple times :P

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/15/2015 4:07:18 AM

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Lol, it still didn't save me though :-)

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I have found MTBs and fast Es quite useful in separating CV taskforces away from amphib groups- occasionally they retreat from a surface threat which may allow KB a clear run.

Closer to HIs, if you can scatter allied TFs there is always a chance they accidently stumble onto CD guns, mines or both which may lead to a massacre.

Good hunting :-)

Possibly multiple times :P

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/15/2015 6:29:45 AM

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My question is why do you have 900AV on Haha Jima? I wouldn't take that island if it had 60 AV on it! Not worth it. Move all of those to Chichi-Jima.

Here is why...General Denfence. I can buy out and move the combat engineers. I was thinking about doing it...

you could also buy Chichi-Jima and send troops there that are restricted!

Well, at the time it was something I never did before and I simply chose Haha without thinking it thru.

I bought out he combat engineers and one trip with barges will move all of them.

If he invades Haha, I am coming for you!

Nothing he has will take Haha-jima with two divisions on it. His SIGINT probably told him those were there, and what was on the other two as well. Beef up the weak sister fast!

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/15/2015 12:46:02 PM

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Thanks, everyone!

Haha and Chichi are adjacent so they qualify as a wide strait, and both have CD guns. Mines are on the way for Chichi, while Haha and Iwo are supplied with them.

So then the question is how fast can I fly in 15K troops to Chichi...I suspect pretty fast. In a few more days I get another Tabby squadron, so my airlift capability is growing by leaps and bounds (I actually will have the Tabbies to fill it out, the others converted to Emily L which I love -- well except for the SR).

This won't be like the Marianas, when I had no troops, I got all those Nov/Dec reinforcements and even if most of them are brigades they have nice TOEs that can be airlifted for the most part.

The one area I feel a little weak in is heavy artillery. I have a 28cm Howitzer unit at Daito that was scheduled to go to Iwo. I will still load them tomorrow and see if they can make it, but it is doubtful. I can however fly in several AT units and a mortar or two. Not much else around until the mountain guns make the trek back from Chungking.

I sent the turn away and I am expecting it back Saturday or Sunday when Tiemanj gets back from the sticks. Quite pleasant to have several days to work on the turn. But, of course now I am impatient to get it back.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/15/2015 12:59:00 PM

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Just because of the excitement around the Bonins, I still have to kill Allied planes, and there is no place quite like Indochina, with reasonable bases and good rail network.

Today I will try to have an easy day, but still hopefully kill some Allied planes on the ground...the hated assault bomber. After yesterday's George sweeps, I figure I may have an easy time of it here.

Then the tomorrow, I will probably sweep Port Blair and perhaps attempt a large scale night bombing run against them. The flak there can't reach to 10K, letting the bombers be very accurate.

One of those Allied squadrons is a group of 4 destroyers, the rest tiny ships that are hard to target. Subs usually let them go. I am sure after the POW debacle that the destroyers have good air CAP, and I am afraid if I strike at them it will be on the day they return to Tavoy so my escorted bombers fly right into his varsity fighters-- and a lot of them. No thanks for now.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/15/2015 1:06:04 PM

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One of the reasons I converted over the Hyuga, was that my bottleneck, slide rule, white coat, mad scientists wanted to put rockets on the ship.

This game, is of course, all about rockets.

So, how could I deny them?

Even if all the evidence points to these guys being absolutely worthless, it is still fun. Although 9/44 is an eternity away, we think positively here in the Empire because we are destined to rule the Pacific.

Those same geeky scientists are even now drawing up plans for piloted torpedoes. How mad is that? Will I even get a chance to use them?

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/15/2015 1:59:05 PM

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Have you gotten supply into Chungking yet? And whats the score?

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/15/2015 2:43:36 PM

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Have you gotten supply into Chungking yet? And whats the score?

Nope. I have only had one full day of ownership

. Got the 400 supply daily production (which isn't bad, 12,000 a month, 144K a year, not shabby just wish I had gotten all the other production as well).

I think the ratio is 1.3..I will post a picture with the next turn.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/15/2015 6:27:59 PM

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Not all Japanese AA is equivalent, in fact only a few are dangerous to allied 4E beasts.

The gold standard is the 12cm AA gun, and I have two large units of them, and it is one of the reasons why my troops suffer very few losses on the road between Moulmein and Bangkok, despite it seeing some of the heaviest bombing of the year. Don't get me wrong, the terrain (JR), bad weather (Indochina), and some forts have definitely helped.

But the 12 cm gun, pictured here, can actually bring down Allied planes flying over 8k. Don't lose track of them!

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/15/2015 6:34:57 PM

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I need to plan now for the B29 and strategic bombing of Japan, and as I have mentioned, very few Japanese AA guns pose a threat.

Here is a look at them, including the dual purpose guns that come in base force engineering units.

One thing to look forward to is a huge mobilization of AA units around April 44. Another is TOE upgrades.

But if you want to cause flak losses to the Allied bombers, plan very carefully where all the 12cm AA guns go, and don't waste your 20mm autocannons at air fields that have balloons and are very unlikely to see low flying craft. I like to put them where they are likely to see dive bombers.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/16/2015 3:15:10 AM

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IMHO If you have the HR for SB at 20K, the empire related AA will be entirely ineffective.

Are you playing with that?

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I need to plan now for the B29 and strategic bombing of Japan, and as I have mentioned, very few Japanese AA guns pose a threat.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/16/2015 5:44:44 AM

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Don't forget to build that airfield at Chungking

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/16/2015 12:07:11 PM

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IMHO If you have the HR for SB at 20K, the empire related AA will be entirely ineffective.

Are you playing with that?

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Nope, he flies his bombers at whatever altitude, basically as low as possible while trying to avoid my flak. But the presence of those 12 cm guns cause him to fly at 19K when bombing the troops on the Bangkok/Moulmein road. A big advantage for me.

Top 3 Allied Flak losses are: B25D1, B24D1, B25C.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/16/2015 12:08:19 PM

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Don't forget to build that airfield at Chungking

And Chengtu too, I guess. Chungking is already a level 6.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/16/2015 7:24:03 PM

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Can you describe your defensive strategy for the upper Philippines?

where are you planning to expense your fleet?

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/16/2015 7:56:23 PM

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Long, well thought out plans are to be used in case of a Luzon invasion.

At High Command is a button, of course this the translated version.

I am going to fight! I don't know know with how much, but at least it is growing every day as the troops pull back from the lower Solomons, Port Blair, New Guinea and even the SRA.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/16/2015 8:15:59 PM

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Can I borrow that button?

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/16/2015 8:20:11 PM

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Here is a picture...I am in process of moving back 3-4 divisions, I think if I have time they will end up on Luzon.

I have already written off the SRA, that he doesn't even budge in that direction is a mistake.

This is a scenario one game, and I can't defend in Indochina, Bonins and expect to have a lot for the SRA or the PI. That he isn't pushing on more fronts helps me, but then he has suffered some horrendously high land losses.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/16/2015 8:22:18 PM

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Can I borrow that button?

You have an IPA and don't need no stinking buttons.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/17/2015 12:27:34 AM

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Can I borrow that button?

You have an IPA and don't need no stinking buttons.

I disagree. I think that's precisely why he needs a button like that one.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/17/2015 3:10:23 AM

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I cant resist that!

You have an IPA and don't need no stinking buttons.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/17/2015 6:45:47 AM

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Can I borrow that button?

You have an IPA and don't need no stinking buttons.

I disagree. I think that's precisely why he needs a button like that one.

You and your IPA hating. You will come around eventually...they all do!

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/17/2015 9:48:06 AM

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Not All!!

Being from the NW, the home of Cascade Hops and aggressive IPAs, I should like them. I don't. Too much flower for me. It's like having a chamomile tea mixed in your beer.

Now, a nice rounded English Ale, bitter, smooth, full of a range of tastes simultaneously, including a touch of hops; that is good beer. Real Ales, Golden Ales, Pale Ales.

Recent favorite is Mad Goose Pale Ale.

Here is a fascinating history of the west coast pale ale. Didn't realize it began so early with Anchor's Liberty Ale. (Love their 'Anchor Steam' craft lager)

http://firstwefeast.com/drink/history-of-the-west-coast-ipa/

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/17/2015 11:12:36 AM

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Hah, you will find the way eventually you too!

PS. I actually have a couple of bottles of Sierra Nevada at home. Very good!

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/17/2015 11:19:20 AM

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I side with Obvert here., can't stand IPA.

I like to brew my own, a smoked scotch ale. Mmmm, good. Problem is I drink them faster than I can brew them.

Now then, I have a turn in my mailbox. Invasion Bonins?

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/17/2015 11:25:47 AM

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Jan 13, 1944

An Iboat attack one of these fleas...one shot, one kill. I have to get more Iboats here with deck guns.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/17/2015 11:30:27 AM

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Night bombing of destroyers by Betties at Tavoy proves fruitless. Allied 4Es bomb Babeldoab.

450 miles, North NorthEast of Marcus, Japanese Intel pays off...