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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/14/2014 5:06:19 PM   
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Good luck, you seem to be getting things together. Your opponent offered me this game before you but I had to decline due to agreeing to another game beforehand, glad I did lol!

By the way, that 91 plane group, how is it possible? I thought 81 (Akagi resize) was the biggest you could have? And if I was you I would be using her to resize other groups to help get your training program up to speed quicker. After all the Allies can do the same, unless you have a HR against it of course.


Agreed. You don't even need to completely fill it out with 81 planes. You can have just a few dozen and they'll train up just fine.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/14/2014 8:04:31 PM   
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Good luck, you seem to be getting things together. Your opponent offered me this game before you but I had to decline due to agreeing to another game beforehand, glad I did lol!

Well, it is kind of fun, but turns are tough...I work at until I get a headache and then I take some lumps every now and then.

By the way, that 91 plane group, how is it possible? I thought 81 (Akagi resize) was the biggest you could have? And if I was you I would be using her to resize other groups to help get your training program up to speed quicker. After all the Allies can do the same, unless you have a HR against it of course.

I have no clue how to get to 91. But you definitely don't need to fill it all the way up to get them pilots training.


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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/14/2014 11:41:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Got tired doing the turn and totally forgot to do anything in China. Don't laugh, I am probably not the first IJ player to do that. I hope the days delay doesn't screw up too much my flanking attack on the Changsha triangle.

A slim chance for a CV engagement this turn in the Kuriles, probably at least one surface engagement, and Allies show signs of wanting to break out of Soerabaja with their 20 ships so there could be some fireworks there, too.

Two heavy radio traffic reports at Pearl Harbor...

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/15/2014 2:25:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		American Carriers in the North Pacific....

Light cruiser task forces finds nothing but empty seas during the night and during the day a carrier strike finds them. The carrier planes easily overcome their long range CAP from Paramushiro (at least it flew), but the carrier planes do heavy damage but doesn't sink them. Two raids, am and pm.

In other news no nightly bombing of Magwe...but heavy daytime bombing of Oosthaven again.






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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/15/2014 2:31:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		IJA planes bomb the port at Soerabaja trying to keep the damaged ships damaged....




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/15/2014 2:34:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		And then, unbeknownst to the American skippers, the IJN pulls off the holy grail of WITP AE -- the dreaded IJN 8 hex carrier strike...




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/15/2014 3:50:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		A couple squadrons can't link up, and one flies on alone to get chewed up by CAP, but still some damage done, probably just scratches overall though.

The Lexington has 4 flight deck penetrations, severe fires below deck, SC SS radar mount destroyed, and severe casualties from explosion.

Most of the Warspites' bombs bounce off the deck armor, but they do knock out two AA devices.

The Cruiser has her radar knocked out and some nasty below deck messages.






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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/15/2014 3:56:09 PM   
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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/15/2014 6:22:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am sitting here pondering this tactical situation over, and I think I will retire the KB and get her invisible again. Times like this is what makes this game so great.

For the following reasons:
I can't afford a high speed run, fuel or damage.

If I meander the KB NNE 7 hexes I don't think there will be anything there worth hitting, or I will get hit as this is the obvious move. Yanks have 10 detection on the KB.

Recently, Tiemanj showed the Lexington for a day, hit my BBs and then did a high speed run all the way back northeast of Attu. So, if he is intent on getting away he will. The Lex in one tough old bird, and I bet she can still make 20+ knots. The Warspite probably has less than 10 damage and is very dangerous during the day.

I don't have the pilots to have a huge carrier battle currently. I don't have the planes either.

It is a long game, and there will be other opportunities as Tiemanj is very aggressive.






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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/15/2014 7:38:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Economy: Saving 4000 HI a turn, 12,000 supply a day(and that will increase as the last of the big building projects wind down).

R&D ...looks good with strong research into selected models...It won't be long until I have the A6M5c thanks to 460 factories worth of research.

I am really looking forward to experimenting with some different planes.







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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/15/2014 8:17:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Economy: Saving 4000 HI a turn, 12,000 supply a day(and that will increase as the last of the big building projects wind down).

R&D ...looks good with strong research into selected models...It won't be long until I have the A6M5c thanks to 460 factories worth of research.

I am really looking forward to experimenting with some different planes.








Just be sure to keep some A6M2, or A6M3/a, units around in case you want to do long range sweeps! For escorts, either keep some A6M2/3/3a or Oscars! I'm sure you know this, just a gentle reminder .

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/15/2014 9:41:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I definitely plan to keep some of them around for distance.

Turn is done and around: KB retreats, sent in 4 surface groups of all flavors BBs, DDs, CLs so there could be some fireworks in the North Pacific. It would be nice to land a few long lances, and maybe the Lady Lex is hurt more than I think and I can catch her. Doubtful, but have to try.

Events I forgot to mention: This past turn I managed to get a minefield up at Merak in the DEI and snagged a hit on a submarine...I really like the idea of adding mines to subs when they sortie and using them...thanks Spidery.

And finally the Sendai TF managed to sink two support ships south of Cocos...fleeing Cocos with no fuel? I have heavy cruiser blockade of Soerabaja and expect engagements there daily...

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/16/2014 12:18:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Near the Kuriles the Allies are risking very nice ships early on. It would be a real coup to sink some of the military transports this early.








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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/16/2014 12:57:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		If those 4 bombs detonated below deck I reckon Lex will be capable of 4 hexes at most. In the original WITP she would have been hardly scratched, but not in AE. I lost Yorktown outright to 4 x 250kg bomb hits in a recent game.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/16/2014 6:30:24 PM   
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If those 4 bombs detonated below deck I reckon Lex will be capable of 4 hexes at most. In the original WITP she would have been hardly scratched, but not in AE. I lost Yorktown outright to 4 x 250kg bomb hits in a recent game.


They penetrated the flight deck...so lets hope the Lex is out for quite a while. I really need a breather to build up my forces and get organized.

I am vectoring three subs to Vancouver Island on the off chance they can get a shot at the Lex before she enters Seattle.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/16/2014 7:00:49 PM   
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Kuriles: Allies disappear except for a couple of small 2 ship task forces. I hope he suffered some high speed damage

My surface task forces do well steaming normally all over the place but no engagements. Maybe I will catch a small 2 ship task force tomorrow at night...now I need to destroy his landing forces. Troops, ships and supplies gathered at Etorofu...very short on minesweepers and planes (not counting the KB) and prep isn't high enough yet (10 days for 50 prep for the most important units).

I am buying out several Soviet Garrison construction units that should have been purchased long ago plus an air HQ (for Paramushiro). For now, most will go to the Kuriles as I want to get the KB out of the area.


China: Two good land combat results wiped out a fair number of squads. Supply must be really critical in China, and my flank attack on the Changsha industrial triangle looks to net about 40 Chinese units. Can't believe he doesn't see the danger and ordered a full retreat.

Just plodding along here in China, I have a naval guard unit going to garrison Wenchow and that will free up another full division (rested and rebuilt) to help seal the Changsha pocket.

2000 AV worth of troops is forcing the river west of Ankang to break his eastern mountain line there. He has 5 units defending which I started bombing...no flak. 8 miles a day progress by the assault stack.

Everywhere Else Heavy casualties at Soerabaja for the defenders again with 10 afvs knocked out. Consistently killing 20+ combat squads each art bombardment there a day and will deliberate attack in 3 days again when the troops march back in. Moved another combat engineer unit there to help with the stupid forts.

Tjilatjap bombarded by cruisers, Ambon bombarded by a lone CA, tomorrow will see a BB bombarding and a shock attack by 4 Naval Guard units and 1 combat engineer unit.

I can't tell you what pain this is -- dealing with Java in october 1942 still. Well, I don't think I conquered Manila until September 42. But still, this is more fun than playing AndyMac's nasty nasty ironman games on very hard.

Bettys raided Broome, no CAP, but no hits on two destroyers.

Another Infantry Division landed at Tavoy, will march up to Rangoon.



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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/16/2014 7:42:55 PM   
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If those 4 bombs detonated below deck I reckon Lex will be capable of 4 hexes at most. In the original WITP she would have been hardly scratched, but not in AE. I lost Yorktown outright to 4 x 250kg bomb hits in a recent game.


They penetrated the flight deck...so lets hope the Lex is out for quite a while. I really need a breather to build up my forces and get organized.

I am vectoring three subs to Vancouver Island on the off chance they can get a shot at the Lex before she enters Seattle.


Probably not much Flt damage, but probably high levels of Sys damage, which can actually take even more time to fix since level of Sys damage factors into repair points per turn (IIRC). I wouldn't be surprised if she heads for Pearl, maybe, instead of Seattle. I'd post up on the approaches to both.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/16/2014 8:12:58 PM   
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Probably not much Flt damage, but probably high levels of Sys damage, which can actually take even more time to fix since level of Sys damage factors into repair points per turn (IIRC). I wouldn't be surprised if she heads for Pearl, maybe, instead of Seattle. I'd post up on the approaches to both.


Thanks...good point...will post a few subs north of Pearl...Seattle might be full of damaged battleships.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/17/2014 11:52:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Back from Davey Jones Locker: Here is the report of ships mistakenly reported sunk.






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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/17/2014 5:37:28 PM   
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The Ise hits pay dirt! Well, err, the Lexington more precisely.

Here is the problem of nesting BBs with Carriers...the Warspite did nothing. Of course, the Lex might have gone down in the air strike two days ago if Warspite didn't absorb 15 bomb hits instead of her.

The rest of the Lex's planes made their base in the Kuriles (about 60) from the previous days carrier battles, so I guess those 4 250 kg gp bombs really did a job on the Lex...she was burning to beat the band before the engagement even started.

So, if I would have let the KB stick around I could have netted more ships...oh well.








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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/17/2014 5:52:22 PM   
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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/17/2014 7:24:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I need a little bit of guidance here.

I want to wipe the Allies out of the Kuriles, but the presences of the Lexington's flight groups, minefields, and coastal gun battery puts a damper on me.

I don't want to risk my planes or pilots...so shore bombardment is called for initially, once the field is closed I will bomb and bombard to shut down the coastal defense battery and weaken the land troops.

I have plentiful surface ships to bombard with, and 3 AKES at Etorofu. Etorfu also holds and Infantry Division, Infantry Brigade, ART, ENG, and ships for all of them. Prep is high 30s to 60s for the attack force -- so I have a while yet.

What is the best way to bombard without running into his minefields? I have one damaged DMS at Paramushiro, who has been sweeping mines there and then disbanding each morning to clear the field the Yanks put there and be tucked into port for the rest of the day under CAP.

I have several coastal minesweepers coming, and 1 at Etorofu already but they can only locally minesweep (same hex) and would be chewed apart by his coastal guns if I sent them in.

When I put my DMSs' on minesweeping and stayed one hex away they couldn't find the Allied minefields. However, I did get a BB bombard group to go in (1BBand 4DD) and they swept mines prior to bombarding with the DMS adjacent. Did the DMS alert the bombardment group about the presence of a minefield?

Would my bombardment groups avoid the mines if set to cruise speed?

I am not in a huge hurry, but worry about him getting the base big enough to fly 4es out of in which case I would simply have to go all out.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/18/2014 10:50:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		In other news around the front Ambon still holds on after a disappointing shore bombardment and then attack. Bombers keep hitting it.

The troops are setting up for another deliberate attack at Soerabaja, and bombers are taking to the air all over Java to keep Tjilatjap closed, bomb the airfield at Batavaia and Soerabaja. Also some port strikes to keep his ships damaged and in port.

I am still moving around lots of units at sea, and have noticed an increased allied recon rate in the Marshalls...

More ships are getting refitted, the fighter plane factories are humming, and everything seems ok...but I am sure that will change.


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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/18/2014 3:04:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't really tried bombarding mined bases before. One of the things I would try is embedding some DMS hulls into the bombardment force. In the Kuriles, you don't really need the speed much as you can LRCAP from one of your bases if you fear SBDs from his AF.

Also, lots of people say that bombardment TFs don't hit mines very often. With a high enough DL, you can even use DDs to bombard. Damaged planes are just as good as destroyed here, as he can't get them out.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/18/2014 3:25:51 PM   
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Also, lots of people say that bombardment TFs don't hit mines very often. With a high enough DL, you can even use DDs to bombard. Damaged planes are just as good as destroyed here, as he can't get them out.


Greyjoy would differ.

I don't think the distance of the bombardment has any bearing on hitting mines.

Using destroyers would probably put the bombardment group in range of his coastal batteries...something I want to avoid.

I am not sure nesting DMS would help, but it probably couldn't hurt...the problem is I have very few DMS left and really want to not risk them.

Below, is a report of where I tried to use an E in a sweeping task force - and I lost the E.

I am going to try sweeping with a larger task force from an adjacent hex and see if I can figure out how the system works...




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/18/2014 3:39:58 PM   
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I haven't really tried bombarding mined bases before.


It is not something I really want to do.

Since there is a lot moonlight, I am hitting the air base with three squadrons of bombers at night to see if I can damage some of his planes, and at the very least get some of his fighters to CAP at night.

I think there might be a chance he tries to evacuate the planes...and I have a BB force hiding undetected on the northern approach waiting to pounce on ships or bombard the base.

Sigint got two Heavy volumes of radio traffic at Adak...

Overall, these are good problems and maybe I can entice him back by showing the KB south and east...




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/18/2014 4:07:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I spent a fair time bombarding Manila in the face of mines and CD guns.

I started off using DMS in a task force with BB. Bad idea, the DMS got engaged by CD guns and barely made it out okay.

Then I tried sending AMc in to clear mines - that didn't work out either.

Then I tried a DMS one hex away, also that didn't work.

Using BB with a few DD at 18,000 yards range I got a couple of DD taking mine hits. Eventually, I went with sending the BB in with no escort but that was because they were only coming from 1 hex away and I could keep an ASW force covering that.

I recommend using BB with DD and having facilities ready to fix any DD that get damaged. You could try checking the combat report for when the bombardment has targeted the CD guns and immediately after send in a local minesweeping force of AMc (hoping that the guns are disrupted and ineffective).

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/18/2014 4:18:23 PM   
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Then I tried a DMS one hex away, also that didn't work.



Your experiences mirror mine.

I did have luck with 4 DMS, remain on station, 1 hex away. I was hoping to be able to sweep adjacent minefields with other ships as well.


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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/18/2014 4:34:29 PM   
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Kuriles:

Yank Carrier planes still in the Kuriles...

A group of 12 Bettys hit a small ship convoy and most likely sink the Santa Theresa xak. No troops or planes on board. No CAP.

My night bombing is cancelled.

Submarine can't penetrate screen on the Warspite south of Attu. Indianapolis still afloat.

Java:
No enemy CAP. 20 or so allied fighters now at Soerabaja which is bombed. Tjilatjap closed, bombarded and bombed. Batavia bombed (18 Allied bombers left). So enemy air strength in Java is pretty much broken, gone, disbanded, whatever. Thank goodness. I lose 4 bombers to flak, lots damaged. Altitude is 13k or greater.

Fresh minefield spotted south east of Soerabaja...swept and no damage done.

A resource convoy runs into a fresh minefield 1 hex north of Palembang. PB has 93% flood damage, an xak has 30% flood. Convoy is empty and still in the minefield.




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/18/2014 5:17:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I figure that I will soon be an expert on enemy mines, given the Allies heavy use of them. I probably should start now negotiating a HR for air dropped mines.

Unfortunately, I have lost a few DMS, and my predecessor lost many, now I only have four (4) left.

It seems to even create a mine sweeping task force you need at least one DMS, or AM in it.

Even more unfortunately, my predecessor lost a ton of small xakls & pbs meaning I am hamstrung at making a lot of local minesweepers too. I get my first AM in May of 1943, some local minesweepers come in as reinforcements too...

Quite a pickle I am in. Have to admit, I have never faced this problem against the AI.




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