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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/23/2014 11:39:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I-2 has a busy day finding three task forces. The first and the last are big cargo groups while the middle one is the Portland and destroyer escort, probably a sliver of a larger BB escort group.






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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/23/2014 11:49:33 AM   
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The ships are going in...I don't like to do it, but they are toggled for full speed run, since sticking around would probably be death from the air.

One group is a heavy cruiser bombardment group, and other is several destroyers with lots of torpedoes set to clear the harbor.

There have been plenty of ships here...so I hope they stick around for some nice night time engagements.






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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/23/2014 12:01:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Soerabaja: the end must be near. Assault value in the high 200s for the defenders, forts down to level 2, now I need to rest the four divisions doing the heavy lifting, but keep up the artillery bombardment.

I think the Allies are going to get frisky with their ships here, but a lot of them are heavily damaged.






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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/23/2014 4:31:02 PM   
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We have had better turns.




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/23/2014 4:37:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Then, in Soerabaja, my heavy Cruisers run into three mines, sinking a destroyer, and doing damage...

While a couple of his destroyers leave Soerabaja, inflict 2 hits on a sub, and head off north of Makassar. None of my planes flew and two CL task forces and one heavy cruiser force didn't close with him.

Who said surface groups don't hit minefields?






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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/23/2014 5:05:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not all the turn is bad: Soerabaja, Tjilatjap bombarded again. Good bombing runs in Soerabaja. His three wandering destroyers didn't find any convoys, and is now sitting in one of my minefields at Madjene. Of course he won't hit any.

Still, just a setback...I will keep bombarding and pounding his air base. I don't dare risk the KB pilots there, so I will keep plugging away with what I have.

Tomorrow both the Oscar IV and A6M5c advance a month...

Plus, Tiemanj is flying coast to coast so I have extra long to do the turn...I am thinking about using large heavily protected cargo/tanker groups given my predecessors losses of small ships (xakls) from Singers...the tonan whalers already have a dedicated ASW group, plus an AV support group protecting them which is working well.


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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/24/2014 11:32:34 AM   
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Very good progress is being made here. I am not destroying cutoff Chinese units, rather bombing them and letting them wither.

In two months of war here the Chinese have suffered huge losses in troops and also in supply generation. Not a recent battle has him in supply, and I am bombarding, attacking, bombing to keep him that way.

Early on the Flying Tigers were able to spring two cap traps, so they are still a force to be wary of along with some Lancers. I only have two small size 12 fighter squadrons operating in China, but I am content to bomb where he doesn't have fighter coverage and make progress on the ground.

I have suffered almost no losses to the ground forces.

I need to buy some more of the restricted units and get them to Canton for the push from that axis, but overall I think I can cutoff an additional 50 Chinese units from supply here and in the Changsha triangle area.

My garrison forces are really messed up still...slowly working improving it.









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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/24/2014 11:56:04 AM   
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Where did the bombers go? Faulty intelligence or disbanded back to the pools? Hard to believe he disbanded them given the success he had recently with them.

I am leapfrogging support ships up the island chains, getting more forces into place. Will sweep his base today with 27 Zeroes hopefully they can cause some op losses.

Etorofu is almost size 4, now has the 2nd Air Division with torps and is a fairly strong festung with the invasion forces prepping.

AKEs are moving forward to get me daily bombardments of his base.

He got a 10 detection level on an xak and pb at Shimushiri yesterday, so I disbanded them to port and formed an xakl from the port. Hopefully this will entice his destroyers to come out and play. If not the base will get 800 supplies that it needs and my groups are ready to run in and bombard and sweep on the next day.

Another CL surface groups links up with the KB, which is moving south and west, to provide more protection from a destroyer rush, and the KB is also being refueled.






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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/24/2014 8:17:08 PM   
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I have been slowly building up here. I think it is an ideal area (along with the Timor & Marshals area) for my IJA divebombers when they come around in a few months. Lots of interlocking air fields. Good range to move quickly between theaters, and no need for torpedoes.

However, I think the Allies will bypass this area and go thru Kusaie or continue in the Kuriles.

So far, the area is held exceptionally lightly with mostly Naval Guard, a splinter of the 55th division, a few AA units, and a fair number of engineering units: some base forces and about 6 construction units.

What naval forces are at Truk, and the air power is currently pretty weak 1 squadron of bettys (with torps), kates (with torps) and a big Val unit, some Jakes, depleted Oscars and Zeroes.

So far, not a peep out of the Allies here.

As you can see, I still have quite a few bases to take and start developing.




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/24/2014 9:28:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you need to get active around Port Moresby. There's no point building the Solomons up without Port Moresby under Japanese control: the Allies can build PM and the base to the North-West of it up, then push down the coast to Milne Bay.

Once the Allies are in Milne Bay, they can take and build up the island bases off-shore and you'll never get rid of them. With Port Moresby in Allied hands, they can mount an overland campaign to Buna, and with the Milne Bay region, they can move air units in to support a push on Buna, attack shipping in the region and bring in heavy and meduim bombers within range of your rear area bases.

You don't even need to mount an naval invasion of Port Moresby: land some troops to garrison Milne Bay and send everything you can scrape up overland to Port Moresby via Buna, while you hammer the base from the air.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 10:53:35 AM   
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Big air day: Large Allied sweep at Magwe, and the Allies fly planes, bombers, into Soerabaja...lots of bombing runs but they don't really accomplish much -- 31 port damage on Probolinggo and a sunk ACM being about the extent of the damage.

However, he has somehow got divebombers back into Soerabaja...but I don't see any of his carriers. Perahps he reinforced units already there...I will be extra careful.

30 Vals attacked three destroyers south east of Java for no hits...Nells didn't fly from Makassar (which seems to be pretty much a constant, there is almost always bad weather there).

Fighters do well defending Magwe, mostly against the inferior Allied planes, but he does lose some Lightnings. I am particularly glad to see the Tojo not taking it on the chin.




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 10:57:24 AM   
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I think you need to get active around Port Moresby.


I agree...I had been waiting for Soerabja to fall first. Thanks for the advice.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 11:11:34 AM   
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W-4 was sweeping from an adjacent hex, found the minefield in Soerabaja, swept mines there and got pummeled by the coastal guns there.

Luckily she isn't on fire.

Allied minefields are very frustrating when teamed up with coastal defense guns and even just by themselves. And yet, my minefields seem to be notoriously ineffective...kind of like my air force.

I have hope on remedying the air force,and in fact, I think I have made great strides there in 60 days of play, but the minefields are going to crush me long term....especially when they start air dropping them. Not an a-historic outcome, as mines did do huge damage to Japan during the war (I think it was kept classified until the 80s or 90s it was deemed so successful).








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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 11:46:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		the North: With the airbases being built up rapidly now, and torpedoes at Etorofu, I am debating about sending the KB away. I know Allied carriers are going to try to do something in Java or Marshalls but their plane contingent must be really weak.

Logistics are in place to shore bombard the Yankees daily now, and that should help, as long as I can avoid the minefields.




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 1:17:08 PM   
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More joy on minefields:

W-4 was sweeping from an adjacent hex, found the minefield in Soerabaja, swept mines there and got pummeled by the coastal guns there.

Luckily she isn't on fire.

Allied minefields are very frustrating when teamed up with coastal defense guns and even just by themselves. And yet, my minefields seem to be notoriously ineffective...kind of like my air force.

I have hope on remedying the air force,and in fact, I think I have made great strides there in 60 days of play, but the minefields are going to crush me long term....especially when they start air dropping them. Not an a-historic outcome, as mines did do huge damage to Japan during the war (I think it was kept classified until the 80s or 90s it was deemed so successful).



Save the dedicated DMS's for the real emergencies: Japan has so few "fast" minesweepers that they can't afford to lose the proper ones.

Try to get some AMc's up in the Kuriles. Start converting more AMc's from the semi-worthless plethora of xAKL's that Japan has. They'll sweep mines, and coastal defences won't be a problem seeing as the ships are worthless and it keeps the better minesweepers intact for a later day when you need a base cleared of mines fast.

Try to disperse AMc's around the map, so that you've always got a local minesweeping force on call.

What I do is try to have about six AMc's in the following bases: Rangoon, Singapore, Soerabaja (when you take it), Ambon/Makassar, Babeldoab, Manila, Truk, Kawajalein, Rabual, Hiroshima/Kure and Hakodate. That gives you a decent minesweeping force within a few days range of just about everywhere the Allies are likely to drop mines, freeing the good stuff (ie, dedicated minesweeping craft) to support fleet operations.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 3:36:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I found an interesting bit of information about AMc's when scanning the forums one day. Apparently if you keep them disbanded in home port the AI will form a minesweeping taskforce of them during the resolution phase, sweep the base, and then will disband them before the phase ends. So instead of making lots of small TF's just keep them disbanded and have some fuel in the port. This feature will probably help a lot during the air droppable mine years of '44 and '45.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 3:38:57 PM   
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I found an interesting bit of information about AMc's when scanning the forums one day. Apparently if you keep them disbanded in home port the AI will form a minesweeping taskforce of them during the resolution phase, sweep the base, and then will disband them before the phase ends. So instead of making lots of small TF's just keep them disbanded and have some fuel in the port. This feature will probably help a lot during the air droppable mine years of '44 and '45.


You keep them in task forces so that they don't get bombed in port. Leave them disbanded and a Allied bomber raid turns up unexpected and you can say goodbye to your AM'cs. I doubt they'd survive a near-miss from a 500lber bomb, let alone a direct hit.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 3:49:32 PM   
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What I do is try to have about six AMc's in the following bases: Rangoon, Singapore, Soerabaja (when you take it), Ambon/Makassar, Babeldoab, Manila, Truk, Kawajalein, Rabual, Hiroshima/Kure and Hakodate. That gives you a decent minesweeping force within a few days range of just about everywhere the Allies are likely to drop mines, freeing the good stuff (ie, dedicated minesweeping craft) to support fleet operations.


66 local minesweepers

I have 8, 3 of which are in the kuriles, and they are all busy! I am making more...takes 15 days.

Unfortunately, my predecessor had his fleet of xakl that can convert get really nailed hard. I haven't added up all the losses, but they are extensive...so much in fact that I am going to larger and larger task forces to ship resources and taking a hit in effective fast port use.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 3:56:13 PM   
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I found an interesting bit of information about AMc's when scanning the forums one day. Apparently if you keep them disbanded in home port the AI will form a minesweeping taskforce of them during the resolution phase, sweep the base, and then will disband them before the phase ends. So instead of making lots of small TF's just keep them disbanded and have some fuel in the port. This feature will probably help a lot during the air droppable mine years of '44 and '45.


For this to work, fuel does need to be available in port as I understand it.

Obviously, I don't have enough AMcs. I have one sweeping between Palembang and Singers and that seems to work well, in fact they all seem to work very well...it is surviving his coastal batteries that is tough!.

Leaving them in a task forces is a small price to pay in fuel to be always sweeping -- just need to be mindful of surface raiders.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 4:21:59 PM   
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What I do is try to have about six AMc's in the following bases: Rangoon, Singapore, Soerabaja (when you take it), Ambon/Makassar, Babeldoab, Manila, Truk, Kawajalein, Rabual, Hiroshima/Kure and Hakodate. That gives you a decent minesweeping force within a few days range of just about everywhere the Allies are likely to drop mines, freeing the good stuff (ie, dedicated minesweeping craft) to support fleet operations.


66 local minesweepers

I have 8, 3 of which are in the kuriles, and they are all busy! I am making more...takes 15 days.

Unfortunately, my predecessor had his fleet of xakl that can convert get really nailed hard. I haven't added up all the losses, but they are extensive...so much in fact that I am going to larger and larger task forces to ship resources and taking a hit in effective fast port use.


Better the xAKL's than something of more value.

Don't take my numbers as a hard and fast rule, it's just what I'd like to set up myself. There are some AMc's in the build que as well as the convertable xAKL's. The best thing is that the AMc's retain some rudimentary ASW value as well.


At the end of the day, they're cheap and expendable and they won't be missed provided the minefields are cleared.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 4:32:41 PM   
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At the end of the day, they're cheap and expendable and they won't be missed provided the minefields are cleared.


How many 150 mm hits can they take?

I guess it doesn't really matter, your logic is quite clear and compelling. Obviously, I was trying to do it on the cheap....like a lot of things in this game for me.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 4:51:37 PM   
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At the end of the day, they're cheap and expendable and they won't be missed provided the minefields are cleared.


How many 150 mm hits can they take?

I guess it doesn't really matter, your logic is quite clear and compelling. Obviously, I was trying to do it on the cheap....like a lot of things in this game for me.


I doubt they'd take many 75mm hits, let alone 150mm hits, but that's really not the point. Better the abundant AMc's taking 150mm hits than the rare DMS ships, keeping the DMS boats for when you need minesweepers in a area fast.

Funnily enough, your problem was that you were trying to the job properly, with the "good" IJN minesweepers, when the cheap AMc's can do the job for less.

The small Tosu class (and the other small boats, I forget the class names) are fairly valuable as cargo ships (except that class that has a tiny cargo capacity), with only nominal value as PB escorts (crappy depth charges and range).

As AMc's, they've some good value: they can clear mines as well as your DMS ships, and there are more AMc's than DMS ships, and the loss of AMc's won't be lamented.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 4:58:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am conflicted at whether or not to launch another deliberate attack at Soerabaja - three days after my last attack.

The last deliberate attack I put one of the infantry divisions on reserve:pursuit. Unfortunately, their leaders decided not to commit the troops, so they are in really good shape and subsequently, I think I have a chance for a 2-1.

However, my rolls have been pitiful in all 4 previous deliberate attacks, seeing my raw assault value cut by 2/3 each attack. Now his forts were level 6 to start, and my troop losses have been exceptionally light, while I have inflicted heavy, heavy losses on him, but Allied adjusted assault has dropped only from 1600 in the first attack to 1300 in the most recent attack despite a unadjusted AV drop of 2/3s (1000AV initially, to 300AV now). He no longer gets a malus for preparation or experience.

Troops are prepped for the base pretty well, 17th Army HQ at 100%, 2nd Area Army at 51%.

I have a 5-1 advantage in raw assault value...but two infantry divisions are at 19% disrupted seems high to be attacking with.


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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 5:07:09 PM   
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The small Tosu class (and the other small boats, I forget the class names) are fairly valuable as cargo ships (except that class that has a tiny cargo capacity), with only nominal value as PB escorts (crappy depth charges and range).


I converted a lot of the Tosu into ACM to stop minefields from eroding. I have started to switch some back, and will do more.

Kiso is another class that can become sweepers, but they have a 3 ASW attack as PB, but with inferior depth charges so making some of them into sweepers can't hurt much either. I suspect the Kiso AMc is worth more VP wise than the Tosu.

I don't see how I can get to 60 of them however without drastically changing my convoy system. I can probably get to 30 without too many changes...


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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/25/2014 11:58:29 PM   
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A night naval engagement! Off Soerabaja. I think the most enjoyable aspect is the naval battles so it is always fun when the replay starts off with an engagement. Especially when the battle could swing either way.

Although the IJN CLs take a lot of 5inch hits, almost all of them bounce off the armor, while their shell hits penetrate and do significant damage to the destroyers. The Allies eventually break contact.




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/26/2014 12:00:52 AM   
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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/26/2014 12:12:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bombardments of Tjilatjap and the Kuriles again, where for the third day running there are no Allied bombers present.

The d@#$n Trusty hits a full Oiler, 18 victory points gone, but then the escorts, decent ones, land 6 hits on that sub...so we hopefully won't be seeing her for a while. And, unfortunately, a DMS is hit with a torp from a sub and goes down east of Soerabaja.

I chickened out and just bombarded at Soerabaja, but will deliberate attack there this next day. None of the Allied troops have any assault value on the bombardment screen.

Another deliberate attack is ordered west of Ankang (China) in the mountains after bombing and a bombardment.

In the Solomon Sea 8 destroyers are spotted, steaming in without a care, hopefully the 90 or so Vals, 12 Kates, and 20 Bettys can do some damage on the morrow. They are flying out of three bases, so at least one group should fly.

A full sentai of Bettys transfers to Etorofu and is set at max range for torpedo attacks extending their range quite far. Should be a nasty surprise if they fly, and the allies come back.


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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/26/2014 12:19:45 AM   
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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/26/2014 1:58:41 AM   
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I am conflicted at whether or not to launch another deliberate attack at Soerabaja - three days after my last attack.

The last deliberate attack I put one of the infantry divisions on reserve:pursuit. Unfortunately, their leaders decided not to commit the troops, so they are in really good shape and subsequently, I think I have a chance for a 2-1.


The Reserve:Pursuit mode is useful only if you expect to win a particular battle without any aid from units assigned to pursue (for example to get a head start pursuing fleeing troops so as to keep them disorganized and fleeing - best done with tank units.) In your case, the enemy troops in Soerbaja will likely just surrender, so pursuit isn't necessary. Essentially, you cheated yourself out of a divisions worth of AV which may have been very helpful in that last deliberate attack for nothing. Bottom line, next attack in a siege situation, use everyone you have.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 4/26/2014 2:18:44 AM   
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The Reserve:Pursuit mode is useful only if you expect to win a particular battle without any aid from units assigned to pursue (for example to get a head start pursuing fleeing troops so as to keep them disorganized and fleeing - best done with tank units.) In your case, the enemy troops in Soerbaja will likely just surrender, so pursuit isn't necessary. Essentially, you cheated yourself out of a divisions worth of AV which may have been very helpful in that last deliberate attack for nothing. Bottom line, next attack in a siege situation, use everyone you have.


Good to know. I never ever used it before, and was too lazy to read the manual. I had thought troops in reserve might get thrown in the battle at the very end if rolls were made.



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