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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/27/2015 3:07:45 PM   
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IndoChina - I hope you are able to get into Vietnam and don't have to try a Dunkirk to get your troops out. If he controls the skies, then it will be hard. Don't know how he is using his B-25 attack bombers, but they are great at sinking transports.


Lets hope so, it is a fighting withdraw...or a running away withdraw in the open ground.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/27/2015 8:29:12 PM   
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Some reinforcements arrive in Singers...for the last stand there.

Japan is going to get really pummeled now...with Allied fighters off Tokyo it will be even uglier.

We should see some naval battles, 0 moonlight, maybe we will get some licks in.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/28/2015 1:33:32 AM   
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Turn is sent. What will it bring? Invasion Honshu? Invasion Japanese Island? Huge Cap Trap? Bluff and heavy bombing?


An invasion would certainly be fun to watch. Might even buy you more time VP wise!


I suspect not, due to strategic VPs if he gets points for everything that gets destroyed when a base flips. Remember that Heavy Industry at the very least gets halved. If those count as destroyed points for him... that's a lot, even in a small industrial center. A loss of just 20 is 400 points - or the better part of several Japanese divisions destroyed (equivalent to 2400 devices).

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/28/2015 5:55:57 AM   
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I suspect not, due to strategic VPs if he gets points for everything that gets destroyed when a base flips. Remember that Heavy Industry at the very least gets halved. If those count as destroyed points for him... that's a lot, even in a small industrial center. A loss of just 20 is 400 points - or the better part of several Japanese divisions destroyed (equivalent to 2400 devices).


Ah, that I did not consider...

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/28/2015 12:00:53 PM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/28/2015 2:44:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Allies take the two Japanese Islands; heck he landed with a marine division plus 7 other units including armor. Americans are able to offload everything in one day, the only ships left were PT boats and destroyers.

My airstrike gets about 20 bombers over the destroyers, and hits one.

We have several destroyer skirmishes, but nothing spectacular. Pretty much trade destroyers until dawn and the airstrikes net one more Japanese destroyer.

Allied 4E bomb Yokohoma.

Over in Thailand, we drive off a shock attack with heavy losses on both sides on the Battambang road. The Allies take a 1000 more losses than Japan.

Uttaradit is down to 1 brigade, and they hold off another attack, although this time the forts are dropped one.

The 1st Tank Division holds the JR road terrain on the road from the plains to Battambang. They will retreat this turn, and start a mad dash east.

Heavy bombing on the plains of Thailand.

Paramushiro holds, but they are getting worn out. Americans invade the last Japanese Island in the Kuriles.

Pictures later...


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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/28/2015 4:35:31 PM   
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A nice invasion orchestration by the Allies.






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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/28/2015 5:25:09 PM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/28/2015 8:44:57 PM   
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I suspect not, due to strategic VPs if he gets points for everything that gets destroyed when a base flips. Remember that Heavy Industry at the very least gets halved. If those count as destroyed points for him... that's a lot, even in a small industrial center. A loss of just 20 is 400 points - or the better part of several Japanese divisions destroyed (equivalent to 2400 devices).


Ah, that I did not consider...


Did he get Strat VPs for the HI on Hokkaido as he took those bases? It would be nice to know the answer to that question.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/28/2015 10:01:22 PM   
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I suspect not, due to strategic VPs if he gets points for everything that gets destroyed when a base flips. Remember that Heavy Industry at the very least gets halved. If those count as destroyed points for him... that's a lot, even in a small industrial center. A loss of just 20 is 400 points - or the better part of several Japanese divisions destroyed (equivalent to 2400 devices).


Ah, that I did not consider...


Did he get Strat VPs for the HI on Hokkaido as he took those bases? It would be nice to know the answer to that question.


He didn't really pound Hokkaido for strategic victory points from the air. Although he took the base, it was always a nasty VP hit so my guess is yes. I can go back and look, and calculate a few things out.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/28/2015 11:59:16 PM   
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I suspect not, due to strategic VPs if he gets points for everything that gets destroyed when a base flips. Remember that Heavy Industry at the very least gets halved. If those count as destroyed points for him... that's a lot, even in a small industrial center. A loss of just 20 is 400 points - or the better part of several Japanese divisions destroyed (equivalent to 2400 devices).


Ah, that I did not consider...


Did he get Strat VPs for the HI on Hokkaido as he took those bases? It would be nice to know the answer to that question.


He didn't really pound Hokkaido for strategic victory points from the air. Although he took the base, it was always a nasty VP hit so my guess is yes. I can go back and look, and calculate a few things out.


Should be easy enough if you still have turns in Tracker - just look for a big jump in VPs that doesn't match the sum of all of your losses on that day.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/29/2015 1:11:16 PM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/29/2015 1:15:00 PM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/29/2015 1:16:23 PM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/29/2015 1:43:45 PM   
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175 planes lost on each side as the air battles over Honshu are fierce...

In Thailand, the Allies keep spanking my butt in the central plains...but Uttaradit still holds as does the Battambang road, for now.








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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/29/2015 6:34:08 PM   
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It really is amazing to feel the brunt of the Allies, and it is only going to get worse!!!


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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/30/2015 1:56:17 PM   
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No night bombing, I doubt there will be any for the rest of the game. My one remaining strength with good squadrons, plentiful pools. Sigh.

We move several destroyer squadrons to Hammatsu; and stuff the base with as many obsolete fighters (mostly A6M5c) that have no chance against Allied sweeps, but are good bomber killers. We season the mix with a few Jacks and Franks to protect against sweeps (which there is one); and then we enjoy a nice run against Allied bombers. A good day.

Still, I need to destroy 10 times as much.

If only I would have cranked up the Ki100i to about 500 planes per month back in 1943; and Frank and George to the same amount. Or held off against some of the pointless attacks on the deathstar -- 1000s of planes lost for no gain.

It is nice to use the Zeke in a good role here...

Getting bombed back to the stone ages on the Thai plains.




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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 8/30/2015 3:13:10 PM   
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If only I would have cranked up the Ki100i to about 500 planes per month back in 1943; and Frank and George to the same amount. Or held off against some of the pointless attacks on the deathstar -- 1000s of planes lost for no gain.


You're a month ahead of my game with Loka, and I've made the same realization. Production is ramping up while the Allied strategic bombers are still far out of range. I'd rather start running down HI stockpiles now while I still have the factories than wait till the Allies are firebombing the cities.

You don't have that luxury, sadly.

I think your best chance for a strike against the Allied carriers was on those landings just south of Yokohama. The short range, combined with the huge airbases you'd have nearby should (and I say should, keeping in mind that we're all subject to the whims of the co-ordination god) have led to some nice coordinated strikes.

Again, the other recent realization for us both is that you'll need to hold your strike aircraft back until you get a good opportunity. Otherwise, as we've both learned, you just end up throwing aircraft away.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/1/2015 12:01:29 AM   
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More destroyer skirmishes for this turn, with them returning to a port with a hefty CAP. But I bet the Allies take their planes of naval strikes, or shortens their range.

Running away in Thailand...the 1 and 2nd Tank Divisions can really move fast, the 2nd is already digging in past Udon Thany. I expect a big attack on the Battambang road...but surely he troops are as dog tired as mine.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/1/2015 1:57:19 PM   
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We trade 3 Destroyers for 2 Fletchers overnight, during the day trade 7 Japanese planes for 37 Allied.

Bombed heavily in Thailand, Uttaradit finally falls all troops retreating there.

In the Kuriles Paramushiro still holds...but not for much longer.


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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/3/2015 12:00:31 AM   
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Some Frances make torpedo runs at night versus Allied super battleships that are bombarding the coastline of Honshu, all miss.

During the day 30 Japanese planes losses for 25 Allies, I accidentally left an Oscar Sentai out exposed and they got shredded...losing 20 planes.

Btw, I tried a unique thing last turn. I noticed that Kamikaze squadrons can fly CAP, so I gave it a whirl. They were jumped by Spitfires and died, but they did fly CAP. Go figure. Hard to ram a spitfire with a Zeke.

Deathstar cruises over to Daito and sinks an xak and an E.

I had thought of dropping something on Kofu to prevent an autoswitch, but always forgot to. Sigh.






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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/3/2015 12:07:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Battambang road fights off another shock attack, but the Japanese troops are spent. Can't hurt the tanks fast enough! Plus they are being bombed back into the stone ages. But they have held here for 6 attacks...when forced to retreat they will go to Battambang, and then evacuating from there will difficult as the troops will go east letting the Allies run straight south.

Remnants reach Udon Thani and look to retreat to the jungle and then Vientiane. Remember the shattered 14th Divison, it is up to 200 AV at Vientiane and will make a stand here.




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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/3/2015 12:11:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the last 40 days the Allies have gained or I have lost 12,000 victory points. Raising the ratio to 1.45 in favor of the Allies.

Over this time period the Allies have lost 3000 Air points, Japan 3200. Lessons learned the hard way here...



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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/3/2015 2:01:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had Kofu switch too after the allies took Izu Oshima. It is no advantage for the allies - it is completely isolated, has no air base at all, and even if they did drop paratroops in they would be annihilated in no time. Meanwhile, the Japanese gain VPs because the Allies cannot garrison the turncoat village!

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/3/2015 3:56:03 AM   
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I had Kofu switch too after the allies took Izu Oshima. It is no advantage for the allies - it is completely isolated, has no air base at all, and even if they did drop paratroops in they would be annihilated in no time. Meanwhile, the Japanese gain VPs because the Allies cannot garrison the turncoat village!


That's funny

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/3/2015 4:45:59 AM   
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In the last 40 days the Allies have gained or I have lost 12,000 victory points. Raising the ratio to 1.45 in favor of the Allies.
Over this time period the Allies have lost 3000 Air points, Japan 3200. Lessons learned the hard way here...


I wouldn´t complain about those air losses. If he lost 3000 planes he has to shoot down 6000....so its in your favor!

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/3/2015 10:25:56 AM   
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In the last 40 days the Allies have gained or I have lost 12,000 victory points. Raising the ratio to 1.45 in favor of the Allies.
Over this time period the Allies have lost 3000 Air points, Japan 3200. Lessons learned the hard way here...


I wouldn´t complain about those air losses. If he lost 3000 planes he has to shoot down 6000....so its in your favor!


Not my point, just with a more vigorous 43 production or a stronger focus on Franks to get them in 43, & I could have won the air war for a while.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/3/2015 10:31:10 AM   
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Not my point, just with a more vigorous 43 production or a stronger focus on Franks to get them in 43, & I could have won the air war for a while.


Well, my point was that you ARE winning the air war.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/3/2015 11:50:48 AM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/3/2015 11:56:26 AM   
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Tell my troops in Thailand that. Or the factory workers in Honshu.


Just a flesh wound!

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