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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/3/2015 11:57:11 AM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/3/2015 12:13:55 PM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/3/2015 7:31:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well 3200 losses for the IJ 3000 for the AFB's might seem like a loss but at this stage you have increased the denominator substantially. And thus a victory on the air front .. plus the draining of Allied pools
My lesson out of this is that the Hokkaido Hurricane might be possible in early 1944 -- but The Allies do not have the air resources to get into a war of attrition where the IJ can focus resources. Yes one can burn down a couple of cites but the IJ can attrite the Allied aircraft pools.

I am more convinced that unless Burma folds up like paper Mache attacking places where the IJ are not is the best strategy until mid 1944. The goal is 2-1 by 1945.

I do think the Allies will achieve this in this game despite in my opinion some less than optimum plays ... but I think the IJ I have made the best of it and have won the airwar to date. The Allies have been stymied .. so stymied that they are invading small islands with armor .. armor that will take a month to get off and recentralized for the next attack ..

Great play to date in my opinion ...

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/3/2015 9:31:54 PM   
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Well 3200 losses for the IJ 3000 for the AFB's might seem like a loss but at this stage you have increased the denominator substantially. And thus a victory on the air front .. plus the draining of Allied pools
My lesson out of this is that the Hokkaido Hurricane might be possible in early 1944 -- but The Allies do not have the air resources to get into a war of attrition where the IJ can focus resources. Yes one can burn down a couple of cites but the IJ can attrite the Allied aircraft pools.

I am more convinced that unless Burma folds up like paper Mache attacking places where the IJ are not is the best strategy until mid 1944. The goal is 2-1 by 1945.

I do think the Allies will achieve this in this game despite in my opinion some less than optimum plays ... but I think the IJ I have made the best of it and have won the airwar to date. The Allies have been stymied .. so stymied that they are invading small islands with armor .. armor that will take a month to get off and recentralized for the next attack ..

Great play to date in my opinion ...


Thanks for the kind words, but I could have really turned the game around with a few minor changes as late as mid 43.

I think there is no doubt the Allies will get 2-1, the trick will be to prevent 3-1. I suspect he will pick up another 20,000 points in strategic bombing yet for a total of over 40K. Ugly.

Slogging thru my turn, and it is a slog. The Deathstar is running wild again, so lots of diversions and two large convoys need to be rerouted. Then all the deep area airbases at risk need to be examined and changed; and subs routed in different manners.

Sometimes it feels like work. I am going to try a large night bombing of the new over stacked American airbases. I am sure he has NF there, and plentiful AA so I am doubting how effective it will be....but hope springs eternal.





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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/4/2015 12:07:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, we have made the next downward spiral...in the air.

We have set up Buzz Saw defenses. I don't have the planes to defend everywhere, so I set up several isolated festungs.

This hopefully will limit the number of attacks the Allies hit Honshu with, since they have to be concentrated to beat the buzz saw or else suffer lots of bombing losses.

My fighter production has been reduced to 35 a day, and it is no where near high enough. Even 50 planes a day wouldn't be high enough...trouble will loom as the pools of engines are declining...

Turn is done, a few buzz saws put into place, a night air strike against the Americans, and one day we will actually have a success.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/4/2015 11:03:54 AM   
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My night bombing is ineffective, a dozen or so Helens flew and some strike Betties launched torpedoes at American battlehsips.

A very quiet day over Honshu. This really benefits my SR3 fighters, a chance to repair and refurbish. Only 12 and 9 planes lost for each side.

My buzz saw with bait (3 Es) fails to draw any attacks. Shucks.

Over in Thailand, the first Allied Armor unit is in Udon Thani, most troops should escape to the jungle before they can be attacked. Worried about the troops heading into the jungle to the north west...I don't think they can make it if the Allies want to stop them.

The Battambang road position is finally shocked out of position and most retreated to Battambang; a few stalwarts are still fighting. The troops are basically shattered, down to 300 AV, but the Allies are shattered too.

I am thinking about the best way to evacuate the totally shattered troops the east or west road or both? There are only two motorized units for the Allies, so I may have a good chance of getting these brave guys back.

Allied submarines torpedoed two xAPs off Saigon carrying an HQ unit. In truth, I had lost track of them but one of the xAPs looks to be in serious trouble.






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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/4/2015 1:22:00 PM   
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Forced me to re-route two large engineering heavy convoys from Shanghai to Vinh. Vinh's forts are near to 5, and I bet with this influx of slide rules we will be able to really accelerate fort building. Vinh will hopefully be a line I can hold for the rest of the game, forcing him to land around it.

Also, bought out the last 1/3rd of the crack 11th Division, and they are loading for Tourane to join their brothers. IJA 43 squad goodness with 90 experience -- they need to stay in the jungle with AA. Or better terrain.

The only way for me to fight the Deathstar is obliquely. Set up target convoys of a few low VP ships, and heavily LRCAP them so I trade the lost ships for lost Allied air planes and hopefully attrit the Deathstar's bombers down and even their fighter escorts. I need to avoid having CAP where he can sweep me to death. Little buzz saw defenses designed to garner VP.

One of the best things about the little buzz saw LRCAP like this is that even Oscars and Zeroes can do very well. Very well indeed, whereas they stand no chance versus sweeping Corsairs, Jugs, or even Lightnings. I know the Allied losses in Corsairs has been very steep, but for now in the last month of the Jugs production run his pools are still strong. Lightnings are low, too.

Right now, with the bombers having only lost about 120 planes from the Deathstar this current adventure, his ASW is still very strong. But it will weaken as I inflict losses on the bombers, and then it is time to surge the Iboats.




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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/4/2015 4:04:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn is done, this one not as bad as yesterday.

I have set up 5 aerial buzz saws complete with bait (xak, or SC, or E). More MTB goodness coming, perhaps I can sink a baby carrier. Heavy bombers should return over Honshu today, normally he never goes 3 days between massive raids.

A quick note about the bait: I always try to make sure the ships have a legitimate purpose dropping supplies/resources etc, trying to hide in a port, or ASW, or a lure to draw in surface ships to CD guns and minefields. I always put a PB with the xak or xakls. Etc., etc.

The 4th Marine went north on Malay...so it looks like Singers will hold with nothing more than a bunch of Naval Guards and one 15cm ART unit for a while. Supplies great, forts 4.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/5/2015 3:27:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those landings on the Honshu islands south of Tokyo, can you obliterate those airfields and ports? Doesn't seem like much the Americans can do with that real estate? Or am i way off there?

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/8/2015 2:27:41 PM   
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Those landings on the Honshu islands south of Tokyo, can you obliterate those airfields and ports? Doesn't seem like much the Americans can do with that real estate? Or am i way off there?


He will be able to sweep the rest of Honshu from there, further attrit the IJN Navy, we have swapped some destroyers in America's Favor, I did put a torpedo into a CVE, and he has bombarded some bases from there.

I am losing the air war, as I don't have enough fighters...Allies have at least 10 squadrons of Jugs going. I cannot defend everywhere in the air...only in selected strongholds. So, it is ugly.

So, he will be able to use them...

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/9/2015 12:29:54 PM   
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Night strikes on Allied baby flatops yields ten destroyed planes for no gain. I have yet to hit anything with a night torpedo run. But I can't penetrate his 500 fighter CAP.

The Deathstar moves between Formosa and China, after hitting Shanghai yesterday, and sink several SC, a PB, an AKE, and a xak but they lose planes too flying into a Ki100I escorted task force.

Allies bomb everywhere they can, but miss my buzz saws over Honshu. 42 Allied planes downed, including 4 British Liberators in a nice little trap over the 1st Tank Division in the Central Thai Plains. 39 Japanese planes lost for the day (mostly from night bombing and one Spitfire sweep downing 11 Georges).

We are retreating the shattered troops out of Battambang...and it looks the the Allies are going to push onto Vientiane. Allied bombers are simply devastating to any defense even with AA if the forts aren't there.








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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/9/2015 12:43:23 PM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/9/2015 1:39:31 PM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/9/2015 2:30:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is a potential clash north of Udon Thani, as the 2nd Tank Division, and an Amphibious Brigade some artillery and AA are in relatively decent shape versus an Allied division and two tank units.

I need to decide if I try to hold here our retreat across the river to Vientiane and their forts. Vientiane is held by the 14th Division at around 150+ AV several more artillery and assorted units getting total AV over 400.

My thought,now, is to to get everything across the river and hunker down in the forts, while the shattered divisions move back to Vinh and Hanoi.

I would like to hold so the troops stuck in the jungle to the west can get closer to Vientiane as they are in good shape too, if only regiment or brigade strength, but that is asking a lot of the 2nd Tank.

But once again, it is the Allied bombers that just really savage my defensive positions. He lost 10 AB yesterday (plus other bombers) savaging the 2nd Tank Division and friends...so I think a retreat across the river makes the most sense for now and the troops to the west in the jungle will have to do the best they can.

Plus I would hate for him to cross the river in pursuit mode nullifying the river crossing.

Alfred gave me some really good advice a while back, and that was not to rely upon any of the forward defenders making it back to the next defensive line....that I would need fresh troops to do that. I would be in absolute panic mode if I had to rely upon those forward defenders getting back as they have gotten savaged, but also savaged the Allied juggernaut too. Of course, Japan took the greater losses thru the retreat mechanism, but it is weakening the Allies and buying time.

I have made it to May, and we aren't yet at the Vinh line. I will take that as a success. With a little bit of luck, it may be July before we are there....I believe my troops along the river can stop an armored thrust as they are all artillery heavy. Just need more AA everywhere.

That will make Vinh a fort 6 festung.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/10/2015 7:18:20 PM   
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Anyhow, set up a few more Festungs...but running dangerously short of 45 engines.

We will see if any of my traps pay off this day....

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/11/2015 12:07:08 PM   
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Shocker! The Allies set all B29s on night bombing. They hit the runway at Hiroshima, guarded by 1 sentai of Irvings and some Georges set on night duty to recover. I had moved almost all nightfighters over to either training or deep defense during the daytime, will have to move some more back to night work.

The Irvings are there thru all the waves, but only down one B29 while the B29s do pretty well in destroying some planes but only put 6 points of damage on the runways and 2 on the services. Pretty decent.

Honshu is quiet in the air pretty much...Tokyo bombed, and a dozen Wildcats and SBDs downed over Osaka. Runways at Tokyo are fixed to 21 percent. For the day 24 Allied losses including 6 4e beasties, while Japan loses 21.

No ground attacks in Thailand and the defenses are shaping up. Almost 700 AV at Vientiane, Pakse has 350 with 400 more to arrive shortly, and the bridge west of Vinh has 650 with more on the way. Good armor and artillery present, but short on AA.

Elsewhere, a group of super Es destroys four PT boats in the Japanese Islands and our daily night torpedo bombing misses again with strikes against CV, CVLs, BB, and PT boats but we only lose 2 planes.




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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/11/2015 12:22:51 PM   
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Just ugly fighting here, the 2nd Division at Battambang is combat ineffective, as is the 55th at Vientiane. Other Divisions down to 100 AV that were on the front lines, in the north most all troops have reached Vientiane or the the bridge west of Vinh.

Battambang is a different story, but he Allies are hurting there too as there was no attack yesterday...many troops should make the next town today.

I pulled off a fairly large two day air evacuation of the 2nd Division from Battambang so a fair amount of those troops will get a chance to recover. I will be able to evacuate another 130+ devices today as there is no Allied recon on Tourane.




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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/11/2015 12:49:08 PM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/11/2015 1:01:10 PM   
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Have you started preparing your fallback line? I would start digging in around Vinh and just give him the rest of Thailand. This will let your battered troops recover and become combat ready again.



Vinh is level 5 fort and should make 6 where I will stop.

I don't want to abandon the river line; I don't want to abandon Saigon and Cam Ranh Bay without some fight. This is all great terrain for Japan to fight in and delay the Allies. Even if the Allies maneuver thru the jungles off road it will gain me time.

Time, time, time.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/11/2015 2:01:07 PM   
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Have you started preparing your fallback line? I would start digging in around Vinh and just give him the rest of Thailand. This will let your battered troops recover and become combat ready again.



Vinh is level 5 fort and should make 6 where I will stop.

I don't want to abandon the river line; I don't want to abandon Saigon and Cam Ranh Bay without some fight. This is all great terrain for Japan to fight in and delay the Allies. Even if the Allies maneuver thru the jungles off road it will gain me time.

Time, time, time.


Is time really that important now? I mean with the allies already bombing the HI I´m not sure delaying him in Thailand will be that beneficial. Granted I havn´t checked how many VPs are down there.

If not "that much" I think you are better off withdrawing and allowing your troops to get combat effective again. A shorter line will allow you to rest and rotate troops and possibly send some off to more important locations like Luzon. Manila is a HUUUUGE allied VP pool.

I don´t have the full picture obviously but defending the river is a very long line. Hard for you to defend while he can focus in a "schwerpunkt" and cross before you can scramble enough defenders?


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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/11/2015 3:16:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I feel if I let him concentrate and fall back to Vinh, then Singers will fall and then all of the DEI. For now, holding the river line while the shattered troops make it back to Vinh seems really good.

I like fighting in the jungle, the jungle rough and city terrain where we actually fight. I also like keeping him spread out...even if it means I have to be somewhat spread out too.


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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/11/2015 3:20:52 PM   
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I feel if I let him concentrate and fall back to Vinh, then Singers will fall and then all of the DEI. For now, holding the river line while the shattered troops make it back to Vinh seems really good.

I like fighting in the jungle, the jungle rough and city terrain where we actually fight. I also like keeping him spread out...even if it means I have to be somewhat spread out too.




Singapore has already fallen, he just hasn't sent the troops to occupy it yet.

If he wants to push through to China, I think you're doing the right thing in opposing him. Every unit in Thailand/Indochina is one unit that isn't available for the invasion of Honshu.


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Have you started preparing your fallback line? I would start digging in around Vinh and just give him the rest of Thailand. This will let your battered troops recover and become combat ready again.



Vinh is level 5 fort and should make 6 where I will stop.

I don't want to abandon the river line; I don't want to abandon Saigon and Cam Ranh Bay without some fight. This is all great terrain for Japan to fight in and delay the Allies. Even if the Allies maneuver thru the jungles off road it will gain me time.

Time, time, time.


Is time really that important now? I mean with the allies already bombing the HI I´m not sure delaying him in Thailand will be that beneficial. Granted I havn´t checked how many VPs are down there.

If not "that much" I think you are better off withdrawing and allowing your troops to get combat effective again. A shorter line will allow you to rest and rotate troops and possibly send some off to more important locations like Luzon. Manila is a HUUUUGE allied VP pool.

I don´t have the full picture obviously but defending the river is a very long line. Hard for you to defend while he can focus in a "schwerpunkt" and cross before you can scramble enough defenders?




The value of Manila, besides it's worth in VP's, is in giving the Allies a decent forward shipyard for repairs and upgrades. But the Allies have the Hokkaido shipyards now.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/11/2015 3:26:03 PM   
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Remember, I am trying to hold out to Jan 1, 1945...so the slower he goes the better off I am.

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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/14/2015 3:41:46 PM   
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All my night bombers miss, again. They are good pilots...against big ships.

We drop more Allied planes again...

Deathstar raids Manila, and in an oversight I left all the planes there and I lose many. Plus, 4 tankers that were unloading, I thought they would have finished unloading and moved away, but no joy. Pity I didn't use them in a cap trap. Oh well.

Big news is Singers, I left a small unit outside of Singers, and Allies attack and now thanks to pursuit have a bridgehead into Singers. At least according to the map. We will see what happens here...two Allied divisions will be marching in against about 400 AV. I may have a surprise planned here.






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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/14/2015 3:54:06 PM   
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Did the turn, and will be sending more destroyer skirmishers in against the Americans south of Tokyo. I love the destroyer fights, and I hope all the ships make it back to their base for some serious air coverage. With a little luck, I might get some shots in on the baby carriers there.

Have to say losing the bridgehead at Singers has really disappointed me. I was hoping for some carnage there...just didn't think it thru.

In Thailand, the plains have all fallen, the 1st Tank might get cut off, but the river line looks good so far.

Forgot to mention, 3 Es that trashed a whole bunch of Allied PT boats two days ago, got caught by 7 Fletchers and were sent to the bottom. Still, not an unfavorable VP trade.


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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/15/2015 3:18:21 AM   
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In the dark night, Japanese destroyers prowl...




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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/15/2015 3:21:34 AM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/15/2015 3:25:27 AM   
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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/15/2015 3:34:43 AM   
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meanwhile, somehow the IJA closes the bridgehead at Singers and savages two shock attacking units that were pursuing from yesterday. Banzai....a 1-99 attack with the allies having 0 AV.






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RE: Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock - 9/15/2015 3:42:17 AM   
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Allied Tanks as Ubon looking to force a river crossing...

Battambang falls, most IJA already retreated to Siem Reap. Allies have 5 Divisions and Two tank units at Battambang...

Can Japan slow the juggernaut!




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