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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/3/2014 11:51:39 AM   
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Kuriles:

I get my wish, and the Allies send in the Mississippi and some destroyers. Unfortunately, they miss my screening CL and DD forces designed to stop him and instead find the Mogamai on a bombardment run.

In the following engagement, Captain Akira Sone crosses the T on old Willis Lee, and although no Long Lances are fired in the short engagement, the Mississippi has her surface radar knocked out.

Damage on the Sone's ships are very light 13 system on the destroyer, 8 system on the Mogami.

Will the CL task force engage, they are packed to the rafters with long lances? And then during the day, over 100 Bettys are fueled and ready to fly from Etorofu and an additional 40 from Bihore.






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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/3/2014 12:07:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Mississippi avoids further surface engagements, and steams east.

The fleeing Mississippi is just within normal range of Betties from Etorofu, but light rain in Eotorfu and moderate rain at the target combine to ground the strike planes. A couple of Sallies fly from Paramushiro, but they lack the skill to be effective.

Another AF Company lands at Paramushiro, and no less than 4 bombardment groups are going into hit the Yankees on the morrow including the Yamato.

The KB is moving into a blocking position, fully fueled and armed, while light cruisers will both screen the KB and also protect Paramushiro on the off chance the Mississippi returns for a second day.










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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/3/2014 12:28:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Elsewhere, Pegu gets the attention from the 4Es, this time striking the two lonely AF eng units there who take a pounding, but the airfield is intact.

Hurricanes and P40s sweep Palembang where in swirling dogfights 6 Oscars are lost for 6 Hurricanes. Can 4Es be far behind?

IJA fighters are in woefully short supply, Tojo IIa production is increasing and is currently at 105 (will peak at 128 until the IIc is available), while there is only one size 30 Oscar factory left and will upgrade shortly to a new Oscar the IIa I think. Nick KAIa are at 30, with some 60 in service and they are doing very well.

Tony research factories are still repairing, so future fighters are the Nick KAIb, the Dinah KAI, and Oscar IIa, but Tojo IIa is the primary fighter. I haven't bothered with the math, but there are a lot of factories researching the Oscar IV and I expect to get her sometime in 43 (currently at 4/45).






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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/3/2014 2:51:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Game is on hold for a little while while Michael examines a save to hopefully fix my missing big AA gun unit problem. I have found several more AA regiments missing their guns, I haven't stopped to see if the problem is growing or if it happened all at once, but it is distressing especially when his 4Es bomb where my guns are missing.

Anyhow, I thought I would look ahead just a little. I have two size 30 factories working on the R&D for Lilly IIb. I have identified 7 Sentai of about 30 planes each to upgrade to the dive bomber.

The first batch of about 60 trained pilots (60 NavB,70Land,60 Def) will go into the sentais/pools now so I expect to be able to fill these Sentai with trained bomber pilots pretty quickly.

I am really looking forward toward these units, I think a unit in Paramushiro would have really cleaned up. The versatility of not needing torpedoes will be very nice, as the better range and durability over the Val. Plus its Army!

Quick question: Will the Sonia and Mary pilots lose skill points switching to a 2E plane?




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/3/2014 6:38:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not content with the Lilly IIb as the only anti-ship platform, I plan on adding the Oscar IIa in that role too. At least one Sentai, maybe more depending upon their success.

Other than two 250 kg general purpose bombs, the best part of using the IIa in this role is that they are available in a few scant weeks.

The Oscar IV is my second most heavily researched plane, and I plan on building each generation until I get the IV.






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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/3/2014 8:14:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		You're producing only 30 Oscars? What plane do you intend to use as escorts for the JAAF bombers then?

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/3/2014 9:48:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Where Tojo won't reach I plan on using Dinah KAI and then Oscar IV later but in the meantime I am not being too faithful to history, but the A6M2 still has a size 150 factory, cheap to produce, dies like flies, but has long legs and better firepower than Oscar, plus all those oversize air groups which I can break into thirds and use.

When Dinah KAI fails miserably, and the good money is on that bet, I expect I will ramp up more Oscar IIa fighters in the short term. But, there is a slim chance the Dinah KAI will work well enough to bridge me thru until better planes become available in 43.

I might even try Nicks too.

I haven't done the math, but there are 256 points of factory r and d on the Oscar IV and I have the engine bonus too so it is accelerating quite nicely.

In addition, I am not planning on being too aggressive in the air for quite a while. I want to finish taking Java, get Rangoon, and Port Moresby and better frames. I believe I can achieve my goals without a lot of air power.

I don't think the Allied navy is in any shape to mount major offensives, my long range search points to no threats, and the KB is pretty much intact and a strong deterrent.

Of course, the allies are so aggressive who really knows what the future will bring. I would love to mount an end run in Burma, and I think it is probably doable for early 43, especially once all those trapped British Divisions are destroyed. We will see.





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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/3/2014 11:49:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did my turn and sent it away. The missing guns I have been doing without the entire game and only noticed a couple of weeks ago when I started moving them to the front lines...my bad.

It seems the scenario files the Allies are using date from 2010, like patch 4 or so, while I have patch 6 2012 files. I wonder how getting the Allies to patch 6 plus beta will change the game dynamics some in other ways?

I am amazed we were able to play to be quite honest.

I kind of rushed my turn, so I hope I didn't make too many big mistakes...kind of played defensively, moved Tojos to Palembang to help make up for the downed Oscars from last turn...dangling a small amphibious task force at Paramushiro to lure the Mississippi back in where hopefully my CL an DD force can get a long lance night engagement.


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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 12:14:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		What role were you looking for the Dinah KAI(you do mean the Ki-46-IIIb right?)?

I really dont think that the Ki-46 in fighter role is better escort than Ki-43. The Army doesnt even have a bomber that outranges the Ki-43, and you're likely to have bombers operating further behind the lines than fighters.

On IJAAF anti-shipping: yeah Ki-43-II does carry 2 big bombs, but they are fighters so you need fighter air unit to use them. And the IIa still doesnt have armor or durability. Outside of massed kamikaze use I think you will find better quality-price ratio in just using Ki-49s or the later dive-bomber versions of the Ki-48, and you dont need to use a valuable fighter unit for the role.

What do you think?

Also do you have PDU on and the latest aircraft data in use? If you want to R&D an army fighter there are probably much better ones than Ki-43.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 12:26:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Erkki
Also do you have PDU on and the latest aircraft data in use? If you want to R&D an army fighter there are probably much better ones than Ki-43.


I picked up this game, 2 months ago, and I inherited really crazy r and d and plane factories. Not my choice, design or intent, but I went with the flow on somethings and that being Oscar production.

The previous Japanese player dropped, when he got crushed on Java in August 42 without haven taken Manila or Rangoon, my inherited planes losses are simply staggering, and I agree with everything you say, but I am trying to eke fun out of the chaos that is this game that I inherited, and some of that fun is using some frames that are often overlooked or never used.

Make sense?

I documented the unbelievable starting position I inherited pretty well...makes for fun reading.

My first turn saw the almost complete destruction of the 4th ID near Batavia, an Allied invasion of Tarawa, and Allied fighter planes shooting Oscars down at something like an eight to zero clip...fun times as I look back on them



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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 12:48:36 AM   
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On IJAAF anti-shipping: yeah Ki-43-II does carry 2 big bombs, but they are fighters so you need fighter air unit to use them. And the IIa still doesnt have armor or durability. Outside of massed kamikaze use I think you will find better quality-price ratio in just using Ki-49s or the later dive-bomber versions of the Ki-48, and you dont need to use a valuable fighter unit for the role.


I'm torn on the issue myself, and I've not decided what I'm doing in my game.

Does the lower cost of the Oscar (1 engine) make it better for anti-ship ops than the Lily dive-bomber (2 engines)?

You can pay for two engines to drop 4x100kg bombs, or one engine to drop 2x250kg bombs.

I suppose it comes down to how many losses you're willing to accept. The IJA doesn't get a decent anti-ship platform till the Peggy, so you need to find a stopgap. The question is what's best: Oscar's strafing or Lily's dive-bombing?

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 12:51:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mind_messing
I suppose it comes down to how many losses you're willing to accept. The IJA doesn't get a decent anti-ship platform till the Peggy, so you need to find a stopgap. The question is what's best: Oscar's strafing or Lily's dive-bombing?


Or both. Or even Nicks.

The right answer is to have fun.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 12:55:37 AM   
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I suppose it comes down to how many losses you're willing to accept. The IJA doesn't get a decent anti-ship platform till the Peggy, so you need to find a stopgap. The question is what's best: Oscar's strafing or Lily's dive-bombing?


Or both.




Actually, the two might be a decent combo against warships. Lily's for the dive-bombing accuracy and to blast off AA guns and such off ships and the Oscars to lob 250kg bombs off the side.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 12:58:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seems, that despite upgrading to the latest patches, we still have the missing guns. I loaded up a fresh scenario 6 game and the missing guns are still there.

We might edit them in.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 1:02:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		How about Ki-49s at very low alt and Ki-48s dive bombing? Even Ki-45?

Yes they are double the price and need size 4 airfield, but unlike Ki-43-IIa they are both armored, much more durable and not fighters. They can also fly naval search and AASW.

Actually as this is not a DBB/RA game, the Allied flak isnt quite as murderous as the one I'm used to... Ki-43s could work and they dont need escorts. Its about how many plane and aircrew losses are you willing to take. An anti-shipping Ki-43 unit will be very ineffective in air combat(pilot training) and they wont be flying Ki-44, 61 or 84.

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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 1:19:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Part of what I was looking for is small airbase usage.

I am not planning on having a ton of Oscar IIa as naval bombers, but definitely at least one full squadron perhaps more if losses are low because the Allies are quiet. Fat chance of that.

I would like to use the Nick in that role also, but at present it is my main anti bomber plane and Allied 4es are eating my lunch all day long.

Oscars don't do anything but die against 4es, I might as well have them die against naval flak. They can bounce all over the place quickly, use small unexpected air bases, repair quickly, are probably very accurate, and most likely die in flaming explosions spectacularly. Worth a shot in my book!




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 2:38:01 AM   
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Kuriles: We lure in a group of 4 destroyers, and waste a lot of ammunition. A bombardment of his base yields 9 destroyed guns, an 1 engineer squad, and 7 vehicles and 11 support squads, damages 7 planes and destroys 2 Catalina's. No mine hits.

Another IJAF ENG unit unloads safely at Paramushiro, they were the bait, and everything is looking good for an invasion at the end of the month.

We upgraded to the latest Beta patch, x6. Thank you Michael.






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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 2:42:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		China: Two Infantry Divisions win the race and capture the road leading to the plains of west central China. Once the armor catches up, they will race forward to see what they can cut off. I think this is big.

IJA forces capture Wasu in the far north...




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 3:01:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		The A6M5c advances to 3/44. It is absolutely obscene at how fast it is being researched. Only 17 points last turn, it has been as high as 23 points in a day. Can't wait to get my greedy hands on this plane.

No 4E raids, Allies usually always rest a day after a raid, or he might be doing it out of fair play until I get my AA guns. I told him to play as if it weren't a problem.

Allied ships are heading east in the Kurile theater...really quiet everywhere else. I boat misses against the damaged DD Nestor of Oz.

I moved three divisions out of Soerabaja and have them resting with two HQs in Malang. I will probably rest for two days and then head back in for the last attack -- then train up to Batavia where I have already assembled three divisions, 4 combat engineers, several artillery, and some armor. I hope to take Batavia faster than Soerabaja -- I will have more troops and he has half as many as Soerabaja. Forts will still be 6 though.

I will send at least one division from Soerabaja to take Port Moresby which has a tiny garrison.








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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 12:52:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fixed the missing AA guns by applying AndyMac's unofficial patch 7 scenario update for scenario 6. Many thanks for AndyMac once again, and also Michael who pointed us in the right direction and was kind enough to delve into a save to understand the problem.

Turn is away, and now if Tiemanj can update the scenario and install the latest beta ok we are back on schedule.

Some heavy bombardments this turn on the isolated Yankees in the Kuriles, including the big guns! Taking a little circuitous route to avoid Allied submarines which now number 5 in the area between Etorofu and Paramushiro.



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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 6:38:12 PM   
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Two nice bombardments in the Kuriles, one of which features the Yamoto, but her spotter planes don't fly.






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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 6:40:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Then, later, during the day in the Kuriles, bombers actually fly, escorted by Tojo and find F4Fs in the middle of nowhere, but only a lonely APD is found.




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 6:54:09 PM   
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Kuriles: The Tokyo Express keeps pounding the Americans in the Kuriles, with visits from both a heavy cruiser force and the Yamoto again. However, this time American Destroyers try to intervene...and are beaten off with superior seamanship. The bombardments go thru...




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 6:59:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		The KB arrives and throughout the day strikes at different destroyer groups until there are no more targets. Five confirmed sunk, more unconfirmed...




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 7:06:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		The bombardment results, look at those damaged ships in port! More bombardments on their way, the operational tempo is picking up steam, AKEs busily reload the Cruisers form local ports, things are looking good for Invasion Day.




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 7:09:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Meanwhile, across the Empire in Burma, the Tone looks to deliver some shells on the airfields at Cox's only to cross paths with a cargo convoy...that will do nicely. Engage and Pursue!




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 7:20:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		And while the Tone is engaging these cargo ships, every 4E flies at night targeting Magwe! IJA High Command, in their infinite wisdom given the moonlight, stood down all night fighers!

Disaster in the makings as Allied bombers have a free pass. But, thunderstorms move in, and then surprise, surprise some of the Japanese AA units have guns bigger than machine guns, now...not many yet, but they are trickling in every day, and they put up a furious barrage damaging the bombers and disrupting their aim. Things have changed for the better as many a bomber leaves Magwe, their loads jettisoned harmlessly and trailing smoke from effective AA fire.

And at sea, the Tone makes the fateful decision to push on and bombard Cox's, but daylight catches him approaching the the Allies sortie out to destroy the Tone...this could be bad!




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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 7:27:17 PM   
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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 7:30:32 PM   
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RE: Kuriles Invaded - Aug 29th, 1942 - 5/4/2014 7:41:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is getting messy in China. Troops cut off in the north, a temporary setback as planes fly them supplies and nothing prevents the relief column from arriving.

A big thrust for the north east is coming soon...the yellow arrow. Over 40 Chinese units in and around the Changsha pocket.




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