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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/12/2014 11:20:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		In other news the Jill starts production; and surprise, surprise the first Irving NF repaired fully yesterday meaning at least an introduction date of August of 1943, but should be earlier than that.

The Nestor and Nepal are still out hunting subs, they put 20 points of damage on an Iboat in the Bay of Bengal...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/12/2014 11:38:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		LRCAP will have to fight and those that survive can take on transport mission over a base like Prome.

IMO, going after his transports in ports are nice, but right now I would want to destroy airframes vs sinking ships. You have to do as much as you can now before the nasty P-47s arrive and wipe you out.

Good job in wiping out over a months worth of C-47s. I set mine at 20% rest and I still lose too many to Op losses.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/13/2014 12:17:41 AM   
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You have to do as much as you can now before the nasty P-47s arrive and wipe you out.


No upside in that sentence!

I only had 27+12 Helens hitting the port...trying to degrade his resupplying Akyab.

Nothing great this turn, running away with my air force...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/13/2014 1:34:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've just hit June '44 as Allies using the newest DBB air data playing DBB 30. P-47s take out just about anything that I come in contact with unless I'm significantly outnumbered. They fly higher and faster than everything else present. Last turn saw 25 P-47s sweep Ambon vs 27 J2M2 Jacks. I shot down 13 for NO losses.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/13/2014 1:42:01 PM   
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I've just hit June '44 as Allies using the newest DBB air data playing DBB 30. P-47s take out just about anything that I come in contact with unless I'm significantly outnumbered. They fly higher and faster than everything else present. Last turn saw 25 P-47s sweep Ambon vs 27 J2M2 Jacks. I shot down 13 for NO losses.



It's futile to wait for updated airframes. The only solution that works is to outnumber the allied fighters 3:1.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/13/2014 4:26:46 PM   
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No night attacks.

American submarine catches the CL Kitakami on her way home with several destroyers for upgrades.

One torpedo hit. One sunk CL.


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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/14/2014 2:49:40 AM   
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If I missed it, how are you using your subs?


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April 26, 1943

No night attacks.

American submarine catches the CL Kitakami on her way home with several destroyers for upgrades.

One torpedo hit. One sunk CL.





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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/14/2014 12:40:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not much to report for this next day. Air force quiet, except some bombing in China.

I globally stopped all base building. I am still not happy with my supply savings, and I will revisit each area over the next week selectively building bases.

Since the Allies rested their air force yesterday something might be up shortly. Chittagong is btw empty, but Prome is stuffed full to the rim with with planes. I got another AA rgt into Prome, which should help defend the troops there.




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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/14/2014 12:50:35 PM   
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If I missed it, how are you using your subs?


Mostly as a picket force out scouting. A few raiders here and there, and some defensively although I think the defensive use is becoming futile. Occasionally the pickets will form a pack and rush a small port...which has been very effective.

I have an absolute swarm of mini subs at Midway.

I am in the process of rethinking their use and gradually pulling some back to work with the KB, and others to form a wolf pack to interfere with his shipping of supplies and oil.

But I think there best use now is primarily scouting...if I can spot an attack coming at Wake for example...

My Downfall experience teaches me that late game they are dead when spotted, but the best use might be out in the deep ocean along likely convoy routes. I am building the torpedo carrying subs...I hope I get a chance to use them.

Overall, I am pretty pleased with their performance: got Hermes, many tankers, a few BBs, pretty much normal.



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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/14/2014 7:37:40 PM   
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Our chance for a little submarine payback misses...all six torpedoes. The cruisers go on to bombard Nauru, catching and sinking two xakls, and 2 pb.

An I boat off Perth sinks a 12 vp cargo ship, a Dominion L British ship.

No night bombing.

Daytime bombing of Prome...he destroys a few support squads, in return 3 Mitchells are destroyed by flak, scores damaged.








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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/14/2014 8:31:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another slow turn with not much up on my front. Allies testing my search with small ships, cap traps or simple probing?

I am starting to assemble the Betties for a strike against the industry in Oz. Who knows how long I will have the time to do it so I better get it in.

I have managed to assemble 80 or so Tojo IIc in the pools, will probably stop production shortly, especially if I can eke out until I get the Oscar IV.

Betty 3a advanced another month, will have them shortly with their shorter range but much better defensive armament and armor.





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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/14/2014 11:46:11 PM   
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Getting close to the monsoon...will I make it?

No night bombing.

Lost a std c tanker outside Balikpapen. Subs spotted, destroyers reacted to them, blah, blah, wuff, wuff, the American sub still managed to nail a sub. Several air attacks, but who knows if any damage done.

During the day American carriers rushed forward and raided Nauru, and fighters sweep Wotje. 14 Zeroes lost, 17 Wildcats shot down or op losses. Good day in the Air as there were Lightnings involved in both fights but I think they were too high to do much.

At Prome the IJA is bombed heavily again, Flak damages a score or more and destroys 1 B24d, and then surprise, surprise the Allied forces prosecute a bombardment attack. They won't be happy...all that bombing hasn't softened up anything.




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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/15/2014 1:46:37 AM   
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Betty 3a advanced another month, will have them shortly with their shorter range but much better defensive armament and armor.


To me they are like slow Frances ... not really good at any role for me. I want range and bomb load for night bomber. I want speed, DUR, and bomb load for day bomber. 3a doesn't fit either very well.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/15/2014 12:26:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		The first Frances is SR4, not very useful. I had a lot of Betty factories when I started and simply leveraged them to get the Betty. No r&d Frances except for the night fighter.

I feel confident I will be able to use the Betty 3a effectively...given my style of play.


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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/15/2014 12:29:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		No great plans this turn. More recon of Oz, and I will probably lose a tank regiment near Daly Waters to massed bombing. It should be my only losses in northern Oz...

All capitol ships are in port...






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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/15/2014 12:31:29 PM   
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During the day American carriers rushed forward and raided Nauru, and fighters sweep Wotje. 14 Zeroes lost, 17 Wildcats shot down or op losses. Good day in the Air as there were Lightnings involved in both fights but I think they were too high to do much.


This shouldn't happen much longer. The Hellcats (130/mo) came out on April 1st.

Have you seen any B25D1 attack bombers yet?? Having an effect anti-shipping capability out to 11 hexes is very helpful for the Allies.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/15/2014 12:41:02 PM   
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The first Frances is SR4, not very useful. I had a lot of Betty factories when I started and simply leveraged them to get the Betty. No r&d Frances except for the night fighter.

I feel confident I will be able to use the Betty 3a effectively...given my style of play.



So, you will use it in the Frances role? Or .... ???

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/15/2014 1:29:03 PM   
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This shouldn't happen much longer. The Hellcats (130/mo) came out on April 1st.

Have you seen any B25D1 attack bombers yet?? Having an effect anti-shipping capability out to 11 hexes is very helpful for the Allies.


I haven't traded 1-1 on fighters often in the past either.


I downed a few B25d1 but he hasn't used them against ships yet.


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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/15/2014 1:30:42 PM   
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So, you will use it in the Frances role? Or .... ???



At this point I don't think I will make the Frances...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/15/2014 3:26:37 PM   
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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/15/2014 6:56:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Jungle hex to the east of Tavoy is very important to preserving the forces that are now in Burma...hence it is garrisoned now with some troops as a blocking force.

Tavoy is a better hex to defend, but it is subject eventually to naval bombardments. I don't think Tavoy is under any immediate threat, but having a block to the east eases my mind a little.

One of my main goals in the defense of Burma is not to have my troops cut off.




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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/16/2014 5:14:25 PM   
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Allies night bomb in the Marshalls. 2 Fletchers catch a small cargo ship in the Marsalls. 3 squadrons from 3 different bases don't fly against them...

American submarine nails another standard c tanker conversion near Ternate...

Allies heavily bomb Prome again...


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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/17/2014 1:06:01 PM   
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No night bombing.

Allies bomb Prome and Roi Namur. At Roi 3 Vals are destroyed; the rest of the squadron left the day before.

Allied 4e also bomb Merauke north of Horn Island.

The IJA wipes out a Chinese Corp in the central plains.






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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/17/2014 1:14:52 PM   
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Stymied at Prome, the Allies are building up south and look to make a forced river crossing north of Rangoon.

Not unexpected. Although Personally I would get my tanks in the the clear and look to strike north towards Magwe, but Allies obviously want to cut off a lot of troops in Burma.

Burma, thy name is danger!




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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/17/2014 6:38:41 PM   
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They are threatening my convoy routes everywhere now I think.

Here they could be quite dangerous since most fleets have no escorts. I think I have 3 dedicated sub chaser units in the area, and 4 squadrons doing anti-submarine work -- it is naval search, ASW, or night search.

I pummeled two more subs this turn one with a PB and another with planes.

I am going to switch my tanker convoys from smallish sized ones to very large and well protected.








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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/17/2014 11:17:13 PM   
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Burma

Stymied at Prome, the Allies are building up south and look to make a forced river crossing north of Rangoon.

Not unexpected. Although Personally I would get my tanks in the the clear and look to strike north towards Magwe, but Allies obviously want to cut off a lot of troops in Burma.

Burma, thy name is danger!






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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/17/2014 11:19:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I cant believe you have gotten away with no escorts in the north. Thank your lucky stars on that one. That said, I would rethink the
protection scheme to minimize losses. You should be able to schoo those subs away with combined ASW air and naval.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/18/2014 12:20:37 PM   
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I cant believe you have gotten away with no escorts in the north. Thank your lucky stars on that one. That said, I would rethink the
protection scheme to minimize losses. You should be able to schoo those subs away with combined ASW air and naval.


If he starts probing with more submarines, I will move some more planes in to counter.

If I have to short escorts anywhere, and I do, then it will be on xaks carrying resources. They can usually take a torpedo and live...especially with ports so close.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/18/2014 12:22:15 PM   
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DO you think you are in danger of mass isolation at this point?


Absolutely.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 9/18/2014 12:32:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		A pretty quiet turn, bombing Chinese troops in open, moving troops to support positions in Burma, my Fighters in Burma number close to 400...I may fly over Prome and hit his bombers in a day or two.

I expect an invasion any day in the Marshalls...

I think the last remnants of the 2nd Tank Div arrive in Bangkok...maybe it can form up in a month or two.

Trying to build defenses and conserve supplies. Battlefleet in port.


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