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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 12:03:32 PM   
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Do you plan to use the A6M5d-S to resize navy groups?


The evidence here is very clear: size 18 air groups just aren't as effective as larger groups. However, size 81 Irving-s will break the game in my opinion, even if broken into thirds. Compromise size 36 to 42?

So part of me screams Heck, Yes! No doubt! While the other part says no. I am conflicted and will need to broach the subject with the Allies.




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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 12:55:14 PM   
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With the advent of Night Fighter production, I thought I would review Obvert's builds.

This is from the end of the war, so I have no idea how many factories were destroyed that built these planes:

Irving-S: 235
Irving Sa: 349
Frances S: 119
Nick KAId: 36
Dinah III KAI: 314
Zero -S: 249
Judy-S 2


I think that is it. He had small pools of Irving left (around 30), 100 plus Zeroes, and 60 Frances at the end.

Obvert seemed to rely upon the Dinah as the Army NF; and complains bitterly about its poor performance, inability to keep squadrons filled, and poor kills total.

I have devoted a much bigger share of the industry to NF; and should be able to keep my squadrons filled at least until the factories are bombed.

My goal is simply to delay the destruction and make it as costly to the Allies as possible. If I can do this, then my large investment in night fighters will pay off.


Yep, the Dinah KAI is theoretically going to be good against the B-29 due to it's speed, but the lack of armor and no radar inhibits it I think.

He targeted the Dinah factories late, and I hadn't started the Nick early enough or in enough numbers to make a difference. Some of the other factories were hit as well, either through direct targeting or damage from fires after manpower strikes.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 12:57:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I look at Navy NF units and they don`t have resize option.
I believe NF units cant be resized



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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 1:50:54 PM   
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I look at Navy NF units and they don`t have resize option.
I believe NF units cant be resized




Good then. No moral hazard.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 2:03:17 PM   
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Yep, the Dinah KAI is theoretically going to be good against the B-29 due to it's speed, but the lack of armor and no radar inhibits it I think.


Since it lacks armor, I think all the speed does is make the Dinah's lose more planes to defensive fires without further disrupting the attack any.

Purely speculation on my part, but as a disruptive fighter the Nick can do it better with less losses and comes months and months sooner.

There are three squadrons that only upgrade to Dinahs that I can see, so I will make them and I am researching it, but Dinah is not a big choice for me if they can switch out to other NF they will.

The NF Dinah actually has a slower climb rate than the KAI Dinah F that I am using strictly at night now. Therefore, I plan on using the III KAI Dinah NF in the same manner, low altitude, low percentage CAP and see what happens.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 2:40:36 PM   
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If yes , so all army NF groups can fly Dinah ony any NF model You want.
2 groups start as Dinah, some as Nick, other need to open NF line by upgrading from F, RC or MB type.

There You have all groups that can be NF. Names can be different because many of them changing names during game.

81st I.F Chutai and 82st I.F Chutai upgrading to NF by upgrading to Ki-46-III KAI Dinah
14th Sentai and 107th Sentai upgrading to NF by upgrading to Ki-109-I Peggy
5th Sentai and 4th Sentai are starting as army figters and they upgrading to Ki-45 KAId Nick




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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 2:59:56 PM   
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I have two more navy squadrons. One is the next to worthless Endo Detachment which removes in Sept of 43. The other might be a large squadron that goes Zero-S or Denko.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 3:12:12 PM   
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Koniu,

I have two more navy squadrons. One is the next to worthless Endo Detachment which removes in Sept of 43. The other might be a large squadron that goes Zero-S or Denko.


I know about Endo Det but that last one is mastery for me. Have name or something?

EDIT:
I find it: Editor number 113 - Tainan Ku-S-1 (later renamed to 251 Ku S-1 and later to S-901 Hikotai), 36 size unit:) start as figter

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 3:33:57 PM   
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What base did you fly the Helens to drop mines from, size, supply state, air HQ?

Given my failure to drop mines it is nice to know it is possible, just need to find what I have been missing.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 4:28:16 PM   
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Koniu,

I have two more navy squadrons. One is the next to worthless Endo Detachment which removes in Sept of 43. The other might be a large squadron that goes Zero-S or Denko.


I know about Endo Det but that last one is mastery for me. Have name or something?

EDIT:
I find it: Editor number 113 - Tainan Ku-S-1 (later renamed to 251 Ku S-1 and later to S-901 Hikotai), 36 size unit:) start as figter


You found it!

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 4:29:30 PM   
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How did you manage to get to drop mines?

What base did you fly the Helens to drop mines from, size, supply state, air HQ?

Given my failure to drop mines it is nice to know it is possible, just need to find what I have been missing.


Bangkok: size 7 af; size 4 port; over 25K supplies; HQa Air Division present.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 4:33:31 PM   
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How did you manage to get to drop mines?

What base did you fly the Helens to drop mines from, size, supply state, air HQ?

Given my failure to drop mines it is nice to know it is possible, just need to find what I have been missing.


Bangkok: size 7 af; size 4 port; over 25K supplies; HQa Air Division present.

I think it must be at lest AF lvl 4 and 2x supply requirement

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 10:20:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		My surface fleets along the Indochina coast have been spotted, they will meet at Mergui under heavy night and day CAP. Perhaps they will lose detection, as the Allies have been spotty here.

Having a tough time getting supplies to Marshalls, using some subs now, and beefing up supplies at Ponape while Allied carriers refuel.

KB is still undergoing upgrades, and training pilots.

Closing in on Chungking from Kweiyang, up both roads. Still need supply in China...I am shipping in 20K.

I have plenty of things to do on my stickied reminder list, but I never get around to all of them...mostly moving troops and supplies or working on pilots and then the time alloted to turnaround the game has come .

Looking forward to my new air frames, and not the Allied ones at all!

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 10:29:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kuriles: All quiet. Got more supplies heading here.

Naval defense quite weak, but I can get lots of airplanes here quite fast, and several carriers if he pushes here. I think it is unlikely though. Perhaps in 44.





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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 10:33:13 PM   
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Hard to figure out how to get supply in here without risking more than it is worth. Not really much in the way of troops, some naval guards, etc.

Everyplace is pretty much getting attention from bombers, and since my trap with Rufes, Allied fighters are flying even some Canadians.






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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 10:35:03 PM   
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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 10:36:49 PM   
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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 10:40:56 PM   
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The 1st Tank Division is moving up to help counter the 1000 Allied tanks near Lashio. The RTA units there will hold out on the Burma Road for as long as possible. No retreat for them!






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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 10:43:49 PM   
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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/10/2014 10:46:41 PM   
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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/11/2014 12:32:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am giving up another base to the Allies: Ramree. There is ten lone IJA squads, some support, and a few AA guns left.




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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/11/2014 7:32:08 AM   
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Marshalls:

Hard to figure out how to get supply in here without risking more than it is worth. Not really much in the way of troops, some naval guards, etc.

Everyplace is pretty much getting attention from bombers, and since my trap with Rufes, Allied fighters are flying even some Canadians.



I will try Fast Transport with DDs. If You manage to get undetected at 9 hexes from base FT TF should be able to unload at night and at day retreat back 9 hexes from base.

You can give them air cover from Kusaie.

If there is no enemy SAG in area You can try suppress Ailinglaplaop and Mili with bombardment TF.
Kongos are perfect for that because the can move 9 hexes at full



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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/11/2014 11:33:02 AM   
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The IJAAF drops another 11 mines at Rangoon. An Iboat gets a shot a YMS heading south out of Akyab, but elects not to shoot. Guess they are heading to Rangoon.

Fairly light bombing in the Marshalls.

Allied bombardment is ineffective at Tuang Gyi, well it does eat up supplies.

Below is my first full squadron of night fighters. Huzzah! It will take a full week to them full strength and filled out, and then off to the front lines. I have high hopes that they can protect an airfield from horrendous night damage and delay the onset of Allied night bombing of industry.

Of course they will be joined in their night work with KAI Dinahs and Petes!




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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/11/2014 11:44:13 AM   
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Fairly quiet. I am going to try and counterattack back up to the Burma Road. We will see how it goes.

My surface fleets are spotted at Mergui and Tavoy.






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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/11/2014 11:56:26 AM   
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Marshalls:

Hard to figure out how to get supply in here without risking more than it is worth. Not really much in the way of troops, some naval guards, etc.

Everyplace is pretty much getting attention from bombers, and since my trap with Rufes, Allied fighters are flying even some Canadians.



I will try Fast Transport with DDs. If You manage to get undetected at 9 hexes from base FT TF should be able to unload at night and at day retreat back 9 hexes from base.

You can give them air cover from Kusaie.

If there is no enemy SAG in area You can try suppress Ailinglaplaop and Mili with bombardment TF.
Kongos are perfect for that because the can move 9 hexes at full



Will give it a try! Probably a lot of fuel expended for very little in the way of supplies. Maybe it will keep the AA guns flying.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/11/2014 4:42:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I found some Chinese airplanes, and will sweep and bomb them. AA should be pretty light, so I am going in fairly low.

Showing the Nagatos' this next day at Truk, with a strong surface fleet. Perhaps he will sortie his carriers again...cargo ships spotted at Ponape dropping off supplies, and I have sent the Rufe's forward again looking to trap some bombers. This is the last swan song for Rufe, by the end of the month they will be upgraded to Rex.

Destroyers squadron will rush in near to Rangoon and back out again. Hopefully they will catch some yard sweepers heading to Rangoon. Other surface ships are heading to Phuket. Once the Irving S are online, I will try holding Moulmein with strong naval and air assets again, hopefully in time to hit his next supply convoy to Rangoon and even get a chance to sweep with George?

Allies have been resting their 4es yesterday, we will see what happens shortly. I think he was overusing them, suffering 3-4 losses each day recently.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/11/2014 7:06:55 PM   
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Back to night bombing by the Allies. The Endo Detachment sorties, and does both good and bad. They damage a bomber or two, and drop one, however, their prolonged dogfight allows too many Dinah KAI's to close and on followup waves the Endo Detachment is a no show and the Dinah's are weakened and disappear. Nice to have Irv-s in the pools for replacements.

I loose several planes on the ground, but the Allies lose several bombers too. So mixed bag, I will definitely need to come up with a new strategy on how to integrate NF with Fighters on night duty.

Rufes ambush some B24 in Kusaie, and can't catch them, but in the first passes manage to drop one. Not bad.

A sub attack near Truk show the Nagato and several destroyers, so now the Allies know there are heavy ships in the CentPac as wished (but really by naval search not by torpedo attack!).

Tuang Gyi gets bombarded again, and Japan loses one gun. Lashio is reinforced by 4 Allied units, all armored, and now we will see if he bombards or attacks. IJA can't stand up to 1000 tanks.






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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/11/2014 7:21:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		As I ponder the change in night bombing now that the Irving -S ia around, I feel a little better. I think a combination of the squadron size, the Tracom pilots, I should be able to put a real hurt if the Allies keep up night bombing albeit at one location at a time.

Seldom do the Allied bombers come in with more than 8 planes, often times less. And if this first encounter is any indication, then the Irvings should do very well especially against the 2e bombers.

The one thing I didn't like about the engagement is that both Irvings ran out of ammo. Not good!

I can't wait to use my size 20 squadron! I really wish I had some squadrons of Nicks around too. And more squadrons of Irvings.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/12/2014 11:40:31 AM   
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Doom marches in Burma! Allies add another pincer to their attack!

No night bombing! Presence of Irving set the Allies back or more a function of 3% moonlight? Moonlight doesn't seem to be a large enough contributor in night bombing success as I have lost 20+ planes on the ground during 0% moonlight as much as I lose during periods of 100% moonlight.

A couple of ineffective submarine attacks by the Allies.

Allied bombing in Marshalls.

In Burma the 1000 tank army Allied juggernaut split in half: to Lashio and south down the dirt road to Tuang Gyi.

50,000 Allies seek to force a river crossing north of Rangoon. Can it be true and not a feint? It would be a chance to really mangle the Allies offensive units here.







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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/12/2014 12:07:14 PM   
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Hard to believe but the Allies give up the great terrain south of the river in central China. IJA will take both without a fight! What great fortune.

The noose is tightening on Chungking!




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