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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/17/2014 9:38:45 PM

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I should have Chungking isolated in a day or three....thanks for the advice gentlemen!

I am pretty much running and hiding with my surface ships around Truk, but I am staging an air attack out of Truk on the off chance the carriers stick around another day...

Hoping this next day is when the Allies force a shock attack across a river into 1300 av of troops with no softening up.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/17/2014 10:12:16 PM

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Is a valid strategy to isolate Chungking, but not take it. Bleed it with artillery strikes and send divisions to hold the Tsuyung to Chengtu road; and the Kunming to Chungking road?

Valid. Yes. Worthwhile? I don't think so.

I'm a big proponent of knocking out China for good - it simply frees up so much material for elsewhere, as well as giving you a nice bit of industry and VPs (and preventing the respawn of Chinese units).

I'd take Chengtu and the other surrounding bases first before investing Chungking. Use throw-away units to close the two river hexsides of Chungking and bombard it heavily from the air and with artillery every day. Mount a deliberate attack every month or so. Buy out any badly depleted units for the Pacific.

I entered the Chungking hex in mid-March 42, it fell in mid-October '42. It's at least a six month investment of troops, but it's well worth it.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/17/2014 10:51:53 PM

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quote:

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Is a valid strategy to isolate Chungking, but not take it. Bleed it with artillery strikes and send divisions to hold the Tsuyung to Chengtu road; and the Kunming to Chungking road?

Valid. Yes. Worthwhile? I don't think so.

I'm a big proponent of knocking out China for good - it simply frees up so much material for elsewhere, as well as giving you a nice bit of industry and VPs (and preventing the respawn of Chinese units).

I'd take Chengtu and the other surrounding bases first before investing Chungking. Use throw-away units to close the two river hexsides of Chungking and bombard it heavily from the air and with artillery every day. Mount a deliberate attack every month or so. Buy out any badly depleted units for the Pacific.

I entered the Chungking hex in mid-March 42, it fell in mid-October '42. It's at least a six month investment of troops, but it's well worth it.

I am moving on Chengtu now...and still isolating Chungking. Don't know what I will do here really, we shall see...I don't fancy the long slog, but you raise good points.

Btw, it is your Downfall turn

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/18/2014 12:10:22 AM

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quote:

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Is a valid strategy to isolate Chungking, but not take it. Bleed it with artillery strikes and send divisions to hold the Tsuyung to Chengtu road; and the Kunming to Chungking road?

Valid. Yes. Worthwhile? I don't think so.

I'm a big proponent of knocking out China for good - it simply frees up so much material for elsewhere, as well as giving you a nice bit of industry and VPs (and preventing the respawn of Chinese units).

I'd take Chengtu and the other surrounding bases first before investing Chungking. Use throw-away units to close the two river hexsides of Chungking and bombard it heavily from the air and with artillery every day. Mount a deliberate attack every month or so. Buy out any badly depleted units for the Pacific.

I entered the Chungking hex in mid-March 42, it fell in mid-October '42. It's at least a six month investment of troops, but it's well worth it.

Longer, if your opponent doesn't get anything out of China. I may have to make an AAR that's just titled "Rivers of Blood."

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/18/2014 11:48:09 AM

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Some night bombing no effect except for a lost Alf. Kates make a run on a CVE and miss. Americans have 5 F4Fs on night CAP.

Lots of Allied bombing and sweeps in Marshalls, Solomons, Burma. American battleships bombard Shortlands and stay there.

No attack near Bassein...maybe tomorrow.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/19/2014 12:21:37 PM

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Staging a Betty strike strike off the coast of Burma, but short of Akyab.

Finishing off the Central Plains of China.

Moving on the Lashio Mandalay road.

Trying to avoid Allied sweeps.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/20/2014 12:45:25 PM

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Night Allied bombing at Tuang Gyi in Burma.

Allied day strikes at Ramree, Allied troops must be a 1 day away from shock attacking there.

Then in the Marshalls, lots of day strikes, and my lousy fast transport destroyers stick around at Roi Namur and I lose 2 destroyers and most likely a third to Allied strikes.

At least they delivered their supplies before sinking.

A PB is caught near Kusiae and sunk to wandering fletchers.

I think I am better off letting the troops starve.

Strategically, I think the Allies will simply go North, Northwest up from Ontong and simply bypass Port Moreseby, Umboi, Rabaul.

In Burma, Allied motorized units are heading east to open the Burma road, while I am moving north to cut the Mandalay/Lashio road.

I am sure I will feel better with the KB back in action, but this month without it shows just how weak Japan is in the Centpac without it. The trick is to show the KB, while avoiding any losses in the hopes of slowing the Allies down. Yeah, right.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/20/2014 10:05:45 PM

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Still have a Betty strike up for off shore Burma, and I added two sweeps with full Tojo squadrons. George has yet to make an appearance, and I am unable to get my full squadron of Irving-s to an actual fight. Sometime soon, I suspect.

Set a CAP trap over Lunga; I am trying to save my Damaged destroyers at Roi Namur...have a fairly strong naval strike out of Truk and Rabaul.

Will be steaming away from the HI with the KB shortly, and will hopefully use them to shield some supplies and troop movements in the Centpac, but will have to use transport and patrol planes instead if the American CVs still want to tangle.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/21/2014 2:37:10 PM

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No night bombing to merit discussion.

Allies bomb Ramree again with heavy bombers.

Allied troops seem to call off forced river crossing east of Bassein; a feint as I surmised. The troops at Bassein are now moving to Rangoon.

Allied planes bomb hither and thither in the Marshalls. An inconclusive naval engagement between destroyer forces trade a hit or two on both sides near Roi Namur. However, in another naval fight an IJN Destroyer is sunk, this was a cripple from the previous fast transport debacle. One more destroyer is at significant risk...

China: Chungking all but surrounded, one rough hex to go. Neikiang is invested, and the first bombardment attack did heavy damage along with heavy bombing. Only two Chinese Corp holding the city with about 400 AV each, plus two HQ units. I will bombard and bomb again before attacking...I have 4000AV plus heavy artillery there.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/22/2014 12:01:30 AM

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July 14th, 1943

Half July gone already...

Allied night bombers run into the Irving-s. I need to raise the percentage intercept up much higher...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/22/2014 12:04:32 AM

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Lots of bombing actions by the Allies: Marshalls, Solomons, Burma with plenty of sweeps.

Jugs and Lightnings and Wildcats sweep catching some bleed over CAP; a good CAP trap over Ramree gets disappointing results from the low flying bombers. I need the George up here...but they are still repairing.

Overall, a disappointing day in the air.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/22/2014 12:07:37 AM

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Allies moving reinforcements into Rangoon; Ramree falls.

Allies getting ready to send more supplies down to Rangoon or Ramree? Most likely Rangoon, since Ramree needs building up.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/22/2014 12:10:22 AM

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China:

IJA elements destroy another 100 plus squads; China has splinters of units running hither and thither.

Neikiang gets bombed and bombarded heavily again. Debating a deliberate attack today or soften it up for another day.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/22/2014 12:24:45 PM

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Night bombing in Raheng triangle in Burma. The Endo detachment rises and each plane makes one run before running out of ammunition...they destroy one bomber, but the other waves get thru and planes are destroyed on the ground again.

During the day, the Allied ships move to Ramree from Akyab and the Betties sortie quite nicely -- except that not a single of the 100 fighters fly escort for them!

The Betties fly in at 25,000 feet, well above the enemy CAP, and the first strike only loses two planes to the enemy fighters. However, an afternoon strike does get mangled pretty well.

Three xak are sunk; 1 CA torpedoed, 1 CL (Brooklyn class) torpedoed.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/22/2014 12:32:32 PM

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All I seem to do lately is put fish in his surface ships without finishing them off...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/22/2014 12:38:52 PM

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More progress in China...next up Chengtu which I expect to be a much tougher battle than Neikiang.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/22/2014 3:21:07 PM

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Night fighting tactics:

I have switched over to 80 CAP/20 Rest with a range of 1 for my Irving-s. So far they don't seem to bleed over into the adjacent hex, which might simply be a lack of warning and radars.

The Tracom pilots in the Irving-s are doing a great job, dropping bombers whenever they are engaged, but so far only small number of fighters are actually engaging. Hopefully, this will improve with the higher CAP percentage. No lost pilots yet, and this might be a way to get some pilots to double ace status.

I will need many more Tracom pilots to reach my goals...and will ruthlessly pull any that I can for night fighting duty.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/22/2014 3:50:50 PM

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Solomons

Relentless heavy bombing in this area....

It would be nice to try for an 8 hex strike here...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/22/2014 3:56:01 PM

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Marshalls:

Relentless heavy bombing here. I have been flying out troops and will continue to do so.

Ponape and Kusaie are fairly strong. I worry about Kusaie, whose airfield is fully destroyed, and flew some Rex's in to see what they can do versus B24s.

The key to holding this area thru 43 is the Gilberts. Once the Americans get a foothold for bombers it is impossible to keep supply up.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/22/2014 5:47:10 PM

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More night bombing in Indochina, and the night fighters have a stellar day. They actually drift one hex, and manage to destroy 5 bombers in air to air combat. Only one wave of bombers, but they do great work against these 2E bombers.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/22/2014 5:49:57 PM

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Allies are resting their bombers during the day in Burma; but continue to pursue their destruction in the Marshalls. A small surprise here...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/22/2014 5:56:42 PM

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During the last three days the American submarine force has gotten great results sinking an AK (with elements of a South Seas unit on it), a 8k tanker headed to Truk, and an xAK. Ugh.

I had been doing reasonably well at avoiding them...

The Allies continue to bombard at Tuang Gyi and suffer a lost gun every day to disablements only for the IJA. A fair trade I think.

More attacks in China, clearing up all the strays.

Rangoon has a 100 plus Allied planes back again, I might try for a bombardment there and hide in Moulmein with heavy CAP.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/24/2014 11:53:41 AM

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IJN pulls off a nice shore bombardment of Rangoon damaging about 50 planes but only destroying 2. Most were 4E...surface fleet safely rearmed at Moulmein under heavy CAP and there are no attacks by Allied airplanes.

Allies night bomb Chiang Mai to no defense.

During the day, in Indochina, P47 sweep Raheng and down 22 planes for 1 Jug. Yuck.

Heavy bombing in Marshalls. None in the Solomons.

Two good attacks in China, another 250+ Chinese squads destroyed and supply roads opened back up again. Two days from cutting the Chengtu/Tsuyun road near Chengtu. This might cut off 20 chinese units at Kienko, but they have now started to move helter skelter, but I suspect most good units are heading back to Chengtu.

Chungking surrounded tomorrow.

2nd Tank Division formed in Rangoon, it took me one year! Allies have ceased reinforcing Rangoon. 33rd Division, 1st Tank, 2nd RTA are pushing on Lashio/Mandaly road and have run into two motorized Allied units. I wonder if I can beat them...

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/24/2014 9:36:39 PM

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The first George sweep goes off on the morrow...they should be a match for the planes they are going up against in Burma.

KB is at Guam...well most of it.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/25/2014 11:27:31 AM

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No night bombing.

Allies spring a surprise raid, shouldn't really be, on Cam Ranh Bay, where I had just disbanded a whole bunch of Toho and Ehime class xaks. 5 are sunk, many more are damaged. I thought I had a sentai of Oscars there, but obviously not...moved them for something I simply don't recall what. An mine tender and SC are sunk too.

George and Oscars sweep Ramree and Allies lose 21 fighters (Aircobras and Wildcats) to 6 George and 3 Oscar.

In the Central plains of China the IJA destroys close to 1000 squads

...Lightnings now in the Central Plains! Oh my.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/25/2014 10:42:03 PM

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China:

On the approach to Chengtu IJA forces destroy the retreating garrison of Niekiang. A few bombers and several Nicks were destroyed in bombing these troops as Lightnings appeared...

Chungking is surrounded.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/26/2014 1:11:07 AM

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Staging night raids on Ramree, where I hope one of the torpedoed cruisers is in port pumping out the counter flooding....

Low level bombing attack at Lashio, where the Allies have moved planes into...

Naval strikes at Truk and Marshalls are planned...

Moving on Chengtu and cutting the Chengtu/Lashio road near Chengtu.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/26/2014 12:20:53 PM

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Japan bombs Ramree, but fails to score any hits on the one ship there...which I think is the Nashville?

No Allied night bombing, despite the 92 percent moonlight. I pulled my Irving-s squadron back to take reinforcements, and now it is up to full strength for the first time in this game. Now to figure out where to put them...

Allies are getting high detection levels on Saigon, Cam Ranh Bay, Haiphong, Hanoi and Samah. No detection on Medan, 1DL on Lanchow (

uhoh!), and nothing on Sian.

Chungking surrounded (80 units); two good attacks in China clearing up all his forces trying to cut roads. Moving on Chengtu.

Stalemate in Burma...but the Allies have Lashio and I doubt I can get it back. However, Burma road still cut and soon the road to Chengtu will be cut too (tomorrow).

Six Oscar IVs, bleed over and disrupt a P40K escorted 4E strike...the Oscars do well killing 5 P40Ks and damaging some bombers for the loss of one Oscar.

Normal bombing in Marshalls, American carriers not spotted. I hate not knowing where his Carriers are!

One American sub sunk, while another American sub sinks an xak on the Manila to Hong Kong run.

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/26/2014 5:25:16 PM

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On the R&D Front: In the last 30 days 20 Ki202 factories repaired!

Sam-J is lagging...but still making progress. If this pace can keep up, the Ki202 will be here very early indeed.

Nick KAId is still repairing, I anticipate getting them two months early, Feb of 44.

Barring an invasion at Tavoy or further south, I think I have achieved a stalemate in Burma. Sumatra, Java are susceptible to a strong attack...but monster airbases are being built and staffed.

I would be very content for a grinding war of attrition in Burma, and a slow slog in the Centpac & Solomons, but I fear an attack at the SRA and my defense there is early spotting and panic relocation of air forces and KB to counter. Size 8-9 airbases are needed!

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RE: Burma Bungle! - 11/26/2014 11:00:03 PM

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Allied night bombing at Toungoo. Misses my night fighters.

Heavy bombing by Allies, as usual in the Marshalls. Back to subs ferrying in supplies.

Helens raid the airfield at Lashio very low and damage the airfield, but catch no planes.

Allies sweep with Lightnings and the bomb Bangkok. I don't know how he has such good luck, I just upgraded a 45 plane sentai to George, and subsequently lose 6 of them on the ground, plus the the weakened CAP. In addition, I moved another full sentai out for a cap trap at Saigon, where I had numerous ships in port for him to hit. Argh.

Sometimes you just can't win.

China....Chengtu has only 4 units and I should steamroller there pretty well. Ran into a strong Chinese Corp blocking supply in x3 terrain. Even with no supply it will take a while to clear.