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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/1/2014 9:10:16 PM   
rafale

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks for so big update
I checked few new things and have questions:

U-boat type 7c:

surface:

CMANO DATA
creep 5kts - time/range: 1m 2d
cruise 8kts - time/range: 1m 2d - why the same in different speed???
full 15kts - time/range: 15w 1d - impossible

should be: cruise speed 10kts - time/range: 1m 6d (because 8850nmi@10kts)
max speed 17kts - time/range: 8d 11h (because 3450nmi@17kts)

submerged:

CMANO DATA
creep 3kts - time/range: 1d 2h
cruise 6kts - time/range: 6h 40min

I found 4kts@80nmi and 2kts@120nmi, it gives
creep 2kts - time/range: 2d 12h
cruise 4kts - time/range: 20h


U-boat type 9b:

surface:

CMANO DATA
creep 3kts - time/range: 1m 2d
cruise 5kts - time/range: 1m 2d - why "oceanic" 9B has lower travel speeds than "coastal" 7C???
full 9kts - time/range: 3w 5d - why 9kts is the max speed for 9B??? how can I pursuit cargo ships and tankers??? max speed for 9B is 18kts

should be: cruise speed 10kts - time/range: 1m 20d (because 12000nmi@10kts)
cruise speed 12kts - time/range: 1m 5h (because 8700nmi@12kts)
max speed 18kts - time/range: 8d 11h (because 3800nmi@18kts)

submerged:

CMANO DATA
creep 3kts - time/range: 1d 2h - why the same as 7C???
cruise 6kts - time/range: 6h 40min - why the same as 7C???

I found 4kts@80nmi, it gives
cruise 4kts - time/range: 16h


and
U-boat type XXI:

surface:

CMANO DATA
creep 2kts - time/range: 1m 2d
cruise 5kts - time/range: 1m 2d - why "oceanic" XXI has lower travel speeds than "coastal" 7C???
full 10kts - time/range: 3w 5d - why 10kts is the max speed for XXI??? how can I pursuit cargo ships and tankers??? max speed for XXI is 15kts

should be: cruise speed 10kts - time/range: 2m 4d 14h (because 15500nmi@10kts)
cruise speed 12kts - time/range: 1m 10d 2h (because 11500nmi@12kts)


submerged:

CMANO DATA
creep 2kts - time/range: 1w
cruise 5kts - time/range: 8h 40min - with this speed XXI could go nearly 3 days (340nmi) not few hours !!!
full 10kts - time/range: 2h 30min
flank 13kts - time/range: 1h

I found this:
4kts 420nmi
5kts 340nmi
6kts 280nmi
10kts 110nmi
12kts 60nmi
15kts 30nmi
17kts 11nmi, it gives:

creep 4kts - time/range: 4d 8h
cruise 6kts - time/range: 2d
full 10kts - time/range: 11h
flank 17kts - time/range: 40min

thanks for everyone who reed all above, I will be very happy if some u-boats data will be corrected in future

PS: still have hope some days Su-7 will be corrected as I wrote before
*400liter for ferry - why??? 600 or 950 only
*su-7b and 6xfab-100 - su-7b NEVER had 6 hardpoints, only su-7bkl and later also on older su-7bm/bmk
*F-16C and D the same ferry range and fuel capacity - how its possible?
*F/A-18C and D the same ferry range and fuel capacity - how its possible?

thanks to all for keeping CMANO up to date, its hard work but I never seen before so good and fast customer service

if you will found

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/1/2014 9:14:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rafale

Thanks for so big update
I checked few new things and have questions:



The devs are going to need sources on any info you found, it speeds the entire process up.

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/1/2014 9:16:18 PM   
rafale

 

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/1/2014 9:16:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Primarchx

Mike said something about 'stepping on the gas', but the time-compression rates (5x, 15x, etc) are still the rates of compression given. If these rates are changed under No-Pulse, what are they?


Take traditional hi-fi mode as an example, it only works in 1:1 time accel, and instead of ticking once every second it ticks multiple times within that second. As I understand it the pulse setting does the same in higher time acceleration settings, lots of ticks instead of just one per whatever you have it set at.

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/1/2014 9:19:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Again, further up he tries to explain that the list time ratios don't mean much. It is near the very top. I am not sure what it means. It does seem to be about 10x in reality. I think there needs to something in between. 1:1 is good, but the next step up on my machine is so fast as to be unmanageable.

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/1/2014 9:25:06 PM   
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Again, further up he tries to explain that the list time ratios don't mean much. It is near the very top. I am not sure what it means. It does seem to be about 10x in reality. I think there needs to something in between. 1:1 is good, but the next step up on my machine is so fast as to be unmanageable.


As I said, it helps the game run smoother when large unit counts are involved, if you think it's too fast just turn it off and use normal time acceleration at higher speeds.

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/1/2014 9:31:03 PM   
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Hi. The patch work great especially "no pulse" option, but i don't see the new patrol type: Naval Blockade and the new side posture: Visible one sided friendly, something wrong?
Thanks!


The first one was fulfilled by the "Sea Control" patrol type. The second one was a UI bug that has been fixed.

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/1/2014 9:35:59 PM   
rafale

 

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http://www.u-boot.org/typy/xxi/
http://www.u-boot.org/typy/ix_b/
http://www.u-boot.org/typy/vii_c/

http://www.uboat.net/types/xxi.htm
http://www.uboat.net/types/ixb.htm
http://www.uboat.net/types/viic.htm

and attached zip

all I can collect in few minutes, if more needed I will upload later

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/1/2014 10:10:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose I get it. I thought it was just a different method of smoothing out the action. It would be nice to have a recap of what the various time compression schemes mean.

For example, I thought Hi Def just meant that action was adjudicated 10x per second instead of 1x per second, which favors high performance systems that keep up with the processing overhead, but had no time compression effect otherwise.

ETA:

Enabling this option leads to two changes:
* At any time acceleration setting, the map & UI do not refresh every second but every 0.1 sec.
* The sim engine executes each turn not in "pulsing" mode (to emulate Harpoon's presentation), but as fast as possible.

Okay, so it is 10x faster...


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ORIGINAL: dandin384

quote:

ORIGINAL: thewood1

Again, further up he tries to explain that the list time ratios don't mean much. It is near the very top. I am not sure what it means. It does seem to be about 10x in reality. I think there needs to something in between. 1:1 is good, but the next step up on my machine is so fast as to be unmanageable.


As I said, it helps the game run smoother when large unit counts are involved, if you think it's too fast just turn it off and use normal time acceleration at higher speeds.



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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/1/2014 10:46:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Primarchx

I suppose I get it. I thought it was just a different method of smoothing out the action. It would be nice to have a recap of what the various time compression schemes mean.

For example, I thought Hi Def just meant that action was adjudicated 10x per second instead of 1x per second, which favors high performance systems that keep up with the processing overhead, but had no time compression effect otherwise.



This is how the devs phrased it on release...

"The net result of these changes is that at time acceleration (particularly at high values, e.g. 1:30 or 1:60 sec) the map updates much more smoothly and the overall game speed is significantly improved."

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/2/2014 12:33:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		So I am dense...does the accel setting matter at all. I am not sure what each stage of accel means in non-impulse.

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/2/2014 12:51:08 AM   
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So I am dense...does the accel setting matter at all. I am not sure what each stage of accel means in non-impulse.


With pulse mode and hi-fi off this is what is going on...
1:1 - 1 tick = 1 second
1:5 - 1 tick = 5 seconds
1:15 - 1 tick = 15 seconds

That goes all the way up to 1 tick = 30 minutes. Hi-fi changes 1:1 from a tick every second to multiple ticks per second.

If you try to play a large scenario on 1:60 or 1:300 things tend to slow down a bit because a lot more stuff is going on under the hood per tick. The pulse mode makes it easier to run your game at higher time acceleration factors.

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/2/2014 12:55:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		"That goes all the way up to 1 tick = 30 minutes. Hi-fi changes 1:1 from a tick every second to multiple ticks per second. "

This is the part...how much does each change in the level of accel in the drop down effect the actual time in the game.

btw, I have played the game since release...I know how the standard accel works. That is why I explicitly stated non-pulse.

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/2/2014 1:06:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Excellent update - thanks a lot.

Out of interest, where are you heading for by including the World War II-era platforms? Is the plan to flesh this out into a full World War II/pre-1945 database?

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/2/2014 1:09:43 AM   
dandin384


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ORIGINAL: thewood1

This is the part...how much does each change in the level of accel in the drop down effect the actual time in the game.



Well the normal acceleration factors are already there, and that's based off one tick a second. The devs tell us:

"Enabling this option leads to two changes:
* At any time acceleration setting, the map & UI do not refresh every second but every 0.1 sec.
* The sim engine executes each turn not in "pulsing" mode (to emulate Harpoon's presentation), but as fast as possible."

So instead of a once a second it's ten times a second, so 10x the time factor. At least that's the way I see it. I'm fully aware that I may be wrong though, one of the devs will have to confirm this

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/2/2014 1:13:42 AM   
thewood1

 

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Status: offline 		OK, while I appreciate your trying to help...telling me how the previous system works and repeating what the devs have already said isn't getting me anywhere. I have been hoping to hear something official.

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/2/2014 5:54:43 AM   
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Hi mikmyk
One Country from 1971 -Abu Dhabi can be deleted from DB3000
Abu Dhabi and UAE both have ships. aircraft, facilities and weapons in
DB3000 (funny not identical)
Barny


Thanks, wil fix that

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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/2/2014 6:11:16 AM   
ComDev

 

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Status: offline 		Have created a new ticket on the u-boats and assigned to Paul

Will have a new look at the Su-7 as well when time permitts.

The F-16 and F/A-18 single and two-seaters habe identical range for the sake of simplicity.

quote:

ORIGINAL: rafale

Thanks for so big update
I checked few new things and have questions:

U-boat type 7c:

surface:

CMANO DATA
creep 5kts - time/range: 1m 2d
cruise 8kts - time/range: 1m 2d - why the same in different speed???
full 15kts - time/range: 15w 1d - impossible

should be: cruise speed 10kts - time/range: 1m 6d (because 8850nmi@10kts)
max speed 17kts - time/range: 8d 11h (because 3450nmi@17kts)

submerged:

CMANO DATA
creep 3kts - time/range: 1d 2h
cruise 6kts - time/range: 6h 40min

I found 4kts@80nmi and 2kts@120nmi, it gives
creep 2kts - time/range: 2d 12h
cruise 4kts - time/range: 20h


U-boat type 9b:

surface:

CMANO DATA
creep 3kts - time/range: 1m 2d
cruise 5kts - time/range: 1m 2d - why "oceanic" 9B has lower travel speeds than "coastal" 7C???
full 9kts - time/range: 3w 5d - why 9kts is the max speed for 9B??? how can I pursuit cargo ships and tankers??? max speed for 9B is 18kts

should be: cruise speed 10kts - time/range: 1m 20d (because 12000nmi@10kts)
cruise speed 12kts - time/range: 1m 5h (because 8700nmi@12kts)
max speed 18kts - time/range: 8d 11h (because 3800nmi@18kts)

submerged:

CMANO DATA
creep 3kts - time/range: 1d 2h - why the same as 7C???
cruise 6kts - time/range: 6h 40min - why the same as 7C???

I found 4kts@80nmi, it gives
cruise 4kts - time/range: 16h


and
U-boat type XXI:

surface:

CMANO DATA
creep 2kts - time/range: 1m 2d
cruise 5kts - time/range: 1m 2d - why "oceanic" XXI has lower travel speeds than "coastal" 7C???
full 10kts - time/range: 3w 5d - why 10kts is the max speed for XXI??? how can I pursuit cargo ships and tankers??? max speed for XXI is 15kts

should be: cruise speed 10kts - time/range: 2m 4d 14h (because 15500nmi@10kts)
cruise speed 12kts - time/range: 1m 10d 2h (because 11500nmi@12kts)


submerged:

CMANO DATA
creep 2kts - time/range: 1w
cruise 5kts - time/range: 8h 40min - with this speed XXI could go nearly 3 days (340nmi) not few hours !!!
full 10kts - time/range: 2h 30min
flank 13kts - time/range: 1h

I found this:
4kts 420nmi
5kts 340nmi
6kts 280nmi
10kts 110nmi
12kts 60nmi
15kts 30nmi
17kts 11nmi, it gives:

creep 4kts - time/range: 4d 8h
cruise 6kts - time/range: 2d
full 10kts - time/range: 11h
flank 17kts - time/range: 40min

thanks for everyone who reed all above, I will be very happy if some u-boats data will be corrected in future

PS: still have hope some days Su-7 will be corrected as I wrote before
*400liter for ferry - why??? 600 or 950 only
*su-7b and 6xfab-100 - su-7b NEVER had 6 hardpoints, only su-7bkl and later also on older su-7bm/bmk
*F-16C and D the same ferry range and fuel capacity - how its possible?
*F/A-18C and D the same ferry range and fuel capacity - how its possible?

thanks to all for keeping CMANO up to date, its hard work but I never seen before so good and fast customer service

if you will found




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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/2/2014 9:46:29 AM   
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Download here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B205vpZC1pGmb0JZMGVIYXlmbXc/edit?usp=sharing

This can be applied to any existing Command installation.

Release Notes (changes since B497)

Fixed/Added:
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- 0006903: Illumination radars/laser fail to illuminate targets for LGM
- 0006902: Illumination radars/laser fail to illuminate targets for SARH missiles
- 0006891: Need (0/10000) weapons record for KD-20
- 0006500: Japanese F-4 Phantoms
- 0006444: DB3k: Italian Navy fixes
- 0006443: DB3k Update: Ground Master 400/406 series
- 0006436: Su-34 loadout mods
- 0006383: MALD range
- 0006362: SAM Adjustment
- 0006264: CV 90 AP ammo
- 0006246: Russian BMEWS assets update
- 0006512: N-001V Mech vs. APG-63 (R-27RE)
- 0006532: DB3K Update: #135 F-4 Phantom II [Kurnass 2000] Fixes
- 0006633: DB3k Update: Polish Radars
- 0006890: KD-88 Can't hit land targets
- 0006885: ISCB-1 mine cluster bomb
- 0006869: SA-24 marked as rear-aspect
- 0006867: DB3k: South African Aircraft Adds
- 0006779: DB3k: Add RQ-21A Blackjack small UAV
- 0006689: DB3k Update: Sonar on second block of Chinese Type 056
- 0006681: S-13 rocket variants
- 0006680: S-8 rocket variants
- 0006183: F125 German Frigate
- 0006058: SA-15 Tor M2 Upgrade
- 0004266: Iskander update
- 0004345: Soviet/Russian ground radars update
- 0004510: Add HMS Carlskrona
- 0005193: DB3k: Add Thai and South African Gripens
- 0005437: Spanish Dedalo and Cobras
- 0005524: 42S6 Morfey SR-SAM
- 0006884: HADES CBU
- 0005951: DB3k Update: AW159 Super Lynx
- 0005716: Add Cypriot SA-11b and SA-15b
- 0005659: Swedish HMS Belos, HMS Pelikanen
- 0000923: Boeing ScanEagle
- 0003241: DB3K: Tor M2 (SA-15D)
- 0003589: DB3K: Voronezh-DM BMEWS radar
- 0003447: DB3K: ISCB-1 cluster mine
- 0003588: DB3K: Voronezh-VP BMEWS radar
- 0002993: DB3K: Vostok-E EW/GCI radar
- 0003620: Add tech gen to anti-mine sonars and hunt/sweep equipment
- 0003697: DB3K: Chinese LCAC
- 0003959: J 35F loadouts
- 0004167: Sweden orders IRIS-T SLS
- 0004204: IRIS-T SLS SAM
- 0006209: Sat orbit problem

* Includes the v408 versions of the DB3000 & CWDB databases.

* Includes rebuilt & updated versions of all official scenarios.




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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/2/2014 10:16:12 AM   
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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/2/2014 12:10:08 PM   
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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/2/2014 4:30:42 PM   
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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/2/2014 6:30:06 PM   
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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/2/2014 6:48:14 PM   
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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/3/2014 1:25:45 AM   
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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/3/2014 11:02:09 AM   
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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/3/2014 11:03:32 AM   
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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/3/2014 12:11:21 PM   
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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/3/2014 1:18:12 PM   
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RE: v1.03 Release Candidate thread - 3/5/2014 5:18:49 AM   
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