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Ruhr - 3/19/2014 8:10:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		IMO the German city "Ruhr" should be renamed. If I am right, there is a river "Ruhr" but no city with this name.

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RE: Ruhr - 3/20/2014 8:47:49 AM   
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IMO the German city "Ruhr" should be renamed. If I am right, there is a river "Ruhr" but no city with this name.


This can be renamed very easily.

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Dortmund
Essen
Duisburg
Bochum

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RE: Ruhr - 3/20/2014 11:08:38 AM   
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RE: Ruhr - 3/20/2014 1:37:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Udet

IMO the German city "Ruhr" should be renamed. If I am right, there is a river "Ruhr" but no city with this name.

Ruhr is the name of the Region...

I agree, it could be replaced by a city of said region.

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RE: Ruhr - 3/21/2014 12:23:09 PM   
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Speaking of cities, I'm kind of surprised that Cherbourg isn't on the map. Fairly major port, isn't it?


I'm all for adding new ports etc, but the question is where do you draw the line? Cherbourg could be added very easily.

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RE: Ruhr - 3/21/2014 12:24:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Udet

IMO the German city "Ruhr" should be renamed. If I am right, there is a river "Ruhr" but no city with this name.

Ruhr is the name of the Region...

I agree, it could be replaced by a city of said region.


The question is what city to replace it with Dortmund?

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RE: Ruhr - 3/21/2014 1:55:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kirk23


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ORIGINAL: Udet

IMO the German city "Ruhr" should be renamed. If I am right, there is a river "Ruhr" but no city with this name.

Ruhr is the name of the Region...

I agree, it could be replaced by a city of said region.


The question is what city to replace it with Dortmund?

Ruhr


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


This article is about the urban area. For the namesake river, see Ruhr (river). For other uses, see Ruhr (disambiguation).


Ruhr Metropolitan Region
Metropolregion Ruhr

Country
Germany

State

North Rhine-Westphalia

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Largest Cities
Dortmund
Essen
Duisburg
Bochum

Government

• Body
Regionalverband Ruhr

Area


• Metro
4,435 km2 (1,712 sq mi)

Population

• Metro
8,572,745

• Metro density
1,646/km2 (4,260/sq mi


Website
www.metropoleruhr.de

The Ruhr (German pronunciation: [ˈʁuːɐ̯], German: Ruhrgebiet), or the Ruhr district, Ruhr region or Ruhr valley, is an urban area in North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany.[a] With a population density of 2,800/km² and a population of some eight and a half million, it is the largest urban agglomeration in Germany. It consists of several large, industrial cities bordered by the rivers Ruhr to the south, Rhine to the west, and Lippe to the north. In the Southwest it borders the Bergisches Land. It is considered part of the larger Rhine-Ruhr metropolitan region of more than 12 million people.

From west to east, the region includes the cities of Duisburg, Oberhausen, Bottrop, Mülheim an der Ruhr, Essen, Gelsenkirchen, Bochum, Herne, Hagen, Dortmund, and Hamm, as well as parts of the more "rural" districts of Wesel, Recklinghausen, Unna and Ennepe-Ruhr-Kreis. The most populous cities are Dortmund (approx. 572.000), Essen (approx. 566.000) and Duisburg (approx. 486.000). The Ruhr area doesn't have an administrative center; each city in the area has its own administration, although there exists the supracommunal "Regionalverband Ruhr" institution in Essen. Historically, the western Ruhr towns, such as Duisburg and Essen, belonged to the historic region of the Rhineland, whereas the eastern part of the Ruhr, including Gelsenkirchen, Bochum, Dortmund and Hamm, were part of the region of Westphalia. Since the 19th century, these districts have grown together into a large complex with a vast industrial landscape, inhabited by some 7.3 million people (including Düsseldorf and Wuppertal). This agglomeration is the fifth largest urban area in Europe after Istanbul, Moscow, London and Paris.

I think the Ruhr designation on the CTGW map is a fair to keep as is. The above large cities are close in population, plus they have the Regionalverband Ruhr that connects them together. When CTGW was first released the Ruhr had 9 points, which I felt was just and fair due to the importance of the region. OK, the Ruhr is not a city, but the location is important, worth defending.





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RE: Ruhr - 3/21/2014 2:11:54 PM   
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RE: Ruhr - 3/21/2014 4:06:06 PM   
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RE: Ruhr - 3/21/2014 5:21:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ruhr urban area should not have its name changed from Ruhr in my humble opinion.

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RE: Ruhr - 3/23/2014 8:42:50 PM   
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Ruhr urban area should not have its name changed from Ruhr in my humble opinion.


Ruhr urban area will remain,I have increased its PP to 9 to reflect the area's importance.

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RE: Ruhr - 3/24/2014 9:52:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the time the game is set there was no "Ruhrverband" or such modern things. Each city stood for it's own. "Duisburg", which became an important industrial center in the early 20th century, would have been a good name. In fact, a district of Duisburg is named '"Ruhrort" ("Ruhrtown"). If you stay with your - imo illogical - decision to name this city after a whole huge region, the correct name in German would be "Ruhrgebiet". "Ruhr" in German is the river, nothing else.

Just my two cents. I don't want to make a crusade out of it. However, as long as the A.I. is so terrible slow I will have no chance to play the game.

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RE: Ruhr - 3/24/2014 7:04:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Should the Ruhr District occupy more than one hex, perhaps - maybe with a unique graphic and a possible rearrangement of those rail connections?






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RE: Ruhr - 3/25/2014 8:28:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tomokatu, this is a very interesting idea. The Ruhrgebiet was an important industrial region, very important for the armaments industry.

Maybe there could be a special event punishing Germany when loosing the region partially or in the whole. An other event could give Germany more ammunition as long as the Germans have the whole region under control (I feel they need some more ammo desparately).

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RE: Ruhr - 3/28/2014 4:47:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure of how the gamescale works out in terms of the number of hexes to accurately represent The Ruhr Valley industrial complex, but I suggest that rather than a bonus for ammunition for holding all (both?) hexes the LOSS of one should be represented by the destruction of factory ability or the loss of research labs. They may be able to be re-built but the prod'n points cost to rebuild and the delay in research seems appropriate.

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RE: Ruhr - 3/28/2014 2:22:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe you are right, Tomokatu. I would be interested in what other players think about this - especially Kirk.

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RE: Ruhr - 3/29/2014 11:20:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Udet

Maybe you are right, Tomokatu. I would be interested in what other players think about this - especially Kirk.

Hi Udet, I'm all for making the Ruhr area,a must hold position for the CP.I will take a look and see if the AI can be instructed to protect this vital area,I will also see if I can create some new in game event to highlight the fact.

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RE: Ruhr - 3/29/2014 1:18:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		These are good news, Kirk. I know you are very commited to make this game better. And I know there are many people like little Udet who have this idea ore that idea. It is really great that you are listening to all our hints, complaints and wishes. I hope we don't drive you mad some day!!!

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RE: Ruhr - 3/29/2014 5:23:55 PM   
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These are good news, Kirk. I know you are very commited to make this game better. And I know there are many people like little Udet who have this idea ore that idea. It is really great that you are listening to all our hints, complaints and wishes. I hope we don't drive you mad some day!!!


To late I'm already nuts!

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RE: Ruhr - 3/29/2014 9:28:10 PM   
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RE: Ruhr - 3/30/2014 12:59:49 AM   
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RE: Ruhr - 3/30/2014 7:41:27 AM   
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RE: Ruhr - 3/31/2014 12:22:27 AM   
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I hope we don't drive you mad some day!!!


Please note, madness is no handicap to good game design.
If somebody's happy to spend hours when other folk are happily asleep, examining spreadsheets and making marginal adjustments to fractional values, then just keep feeding them and otherwise, don't interfere.

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RE: Ruhr - 3/31/2014 9:50:00 AM   
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I hope we don't drive you mad some day!!!


Please note, madness is no handicap to good game design.
If somebody's happy to spend hours when other folk are happily asleep, examining spreadsheets and making marginal adjustments to fractional values, then just keep feeding them and otherwise, don't interfere.


That ist a good point, Tomokatu!

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RE: Ruhr - 4/1/2014 7:42:02 PM   
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