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RE: 1943! - 12/17/2014 12:18:23 PM

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Assaulting units:
116th Division
16th Division
13th Division
3rd Tank Division
8th Ind Engineer Regiment
59th Division
2nd Ind.Mixed Regiment
58th Division
60th Division
39th Division
68th Division
70th Division
3rd/A Division
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
5th Fleet
10th Mortar Battalion
1st Mortar Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
11th Army
12th Army
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

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RE: 1943! - 12/17/2014 3:17:12 PM

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March 5, 1943

INDIA: another bloody day over Trico.
The allies are back, but this time weather and coordination wasn't on his side. No matter what, his numbers are scaring!!!

Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 30
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 108

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 10
P-400 Airacobra x 16
F4U-1 Corsair x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 6 destroyed
P-400 Airacobra: 3 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x F4U-1 Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet
6 x F4U-1 Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
Chitose-1 with A6M5c Zero (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 21 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 26000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-43-IIIa Oscar (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 29 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 22000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
33rd Sentai with Ki-43-IIIa Oscar (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 25 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
54th Sentai with Ki-43-IIIa Oscar (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 21 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 19000 and 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 21
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 88

Allied aircraft
Liberator II x 21
Kittyhawk I x 16
Kittyhawk III x 16
B-24D Liberator x 18
P-400 Airacobra x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator II: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
Liberator II: 1 destroyed by flak
Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 17

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Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 16
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 74

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 15
B-24D Liberator x 6
B-25C Mitchell x 3
P-40K Warhawk x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed
B-24D Liberator: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 10
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 51

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 20
Hurricane IIc Trop x 32
B-25C Mitchell x 15
B-25D1 Mitchell x 15
B-26B Marauder x 3
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet II: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
B-25C Mitchell: 5 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8

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Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 7
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 32

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 12
B-26B Marauder x 11
P-400 Airacobra x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 4 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 5 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 6

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Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 6
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 19

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 6
P-400 Airacobra x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 4 damaged

Runway hits 2
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Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 5
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 10

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 6
P-39D Airacobra x 7
P-400 Airacobra x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Runway hits 1
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Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 5
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 10

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 16
P-39D Airacobra x 7
P-40K Warhawk x 96

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 5 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 25000 feet
25 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 25000 feet
4 x Hurricane IIc Trop sweeping at 10000 feet
19 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 25000 feet
7 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 25000 feet

Most of my losses are due to this last MEGA sweep...

However the butcher's bill of the day is in my favour: 47-77 in my favour and the field is still well open even if damaged.

Progresses near Kunming...

Ground combat at 71,48 (near Kunming)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 14006 troops, 245 guns, 485 vehicles, Assault Value = 452

Defending force 21063 troops, 103 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 424

Japanese adjusted assault: 340

Allied adjusted defense: 304

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
326 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 40 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Allied ground losses:
401 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 39 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
19th Ind.Mixed Brigade
Guards Tank Division
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
73rd Chinese Corps
10th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
34th Chinese Corps
88th Chinese Division
9th Group Army

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RE: 1943! - 12/17/2014 3:23:45 PM

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Lost 9 A6M5c and 33 KI-43 IIIa for

9 Corsairs
14 Hurricanes
14 Liberators
10 P400
14 P40s
5 Micthells
5 Kittihawk
4 P39

Not bad, but clearly my fighters were too outnumbered to really be able to stop the raids

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RE: 1943! - 12/17/2014 4:20:01 PM

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Are you basing fighters out of Colombo to support Trincolamee? I fear another raid like that will prevent even CAP from flying out of Trincolamee but having LRCAP from Colombo could potentially save you from ceding control of the air and shoot down some planes. As long as you don't let both air bases get shut down you could fight battles like that indefinitely.

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RE: 1943! - 12/17/2014 8:16:58 PM

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Allied fighters should not be action ready for next 2 - 3 days. I am suspecting that his pilots morale is little low right now.
Additionally allies cannot loose Corsairs at this rate. However he should have still a lot of P-40K and P-39D which are still superior to any fighter in your arsenal Nicola.

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RE: 1943! - 12/17/2014 11:25:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: MrKane
Allied fighters should not be action ready for next 2 - 3 days. I am suspecting that his pilots morale is little low right now.
Additionally allies cannot loose Corsairs at this rate. However he should have still a lot of P-40K and P-39D which are still superior to any fighter in your arsenal Nicola.

Agree on the Corsairs but the Allied fighter losses were really not that bad considering how many planes were involved. I don't think morale for most of those groups will drop too badly and they will be able to fly missions the next day. I think Allied bombers took a bigger morale hit than the fighters; they are probably not ready for another mission. Though it's too risky to ground CAP in anticipation of heavy fighter sweeps without bombers so this insight isn't very useful.

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RE: 1943! - 12/18/2014 1:40:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sangeli

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ORIGINAL: MrKane
Allied fighters should not be action ready for next 2 - 3 days. I am suspecting that his pilots morale is little low right now.
Additionally allies cannot loose Corsairs at this rate. However he should have still a lot of P-40K and P-39D which are still superior to any fighter in your arsenal Nicola.

Agree on the Corsairs but the Allied fighter losses were really not that bad considering how many planes were involved. I don't think morale for most of those groups will drop too badly and they will be able to fly missions the next day. I think Allied bombers took a bigger morale hit than the fighters; they are probably not ready for another mission. Though it's too risky to ground CAP in anticipation of heavy fighter sweeps without bombers so this insight isn't very useful.

I'm not so sure. In my recent experience, 4E bombers don't always take a big morale hit when they take losses. Not sure if that's a 4E thing, or just because I have great leaders in all of my 4E squadrons and I get lucky.

Losing even 3 bombers out of 12 in a squadron has only dropped my guys' morale to about 85 or so. That is not low by any means.

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RE: 1943! - 12/18/2014 5:52:46 AM

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I don't believe his pilots' morale is any low. Losses were spread around many different groups and were not too heavy anyway.
However, on the Match 6th, Trico was left quiet, so i was able to rotate out the tired groups with fresh ones.
Sangeli: LRCAP doesn't really work for me: Colombo is 4 hees from Trico and the last thing i need is to get my boys tired up to the 20/30s points defending air spaces that i am not 100% sure will be attacked (he could chose Colombo or Madras as a target every day).
Tom: sure, that's why PDU OFF is so challenging for both player: Erik can field only a limited number of his crack planes, while i am forced to fight with whatever Japan has in its arsenal, trying to maximize the RnD program to fulfill the needs of the incredibly different upgade paths of my sentais.

CHINA: he managed to reinforce with a fresh group the fighting hex near Kunming and we got another 1-2 after the 1-1 of yesterday. Need patience. I know. Am now in the process of rotating the attacking units a bit. Th 2nd Tank Division is arriving.
Tomorrow we'll attack at Changsha again. Hope to get the forts down to 2.

Bombardments at Madras aren't doing much arm to my well dugin troops. He loses much more guns and vehicles than me at every attempt

CENTPAC: Eri starts back to recon Mili/Maloaep and the other high-marshalls bases. Gotta be ready....

APA/AKA and CVEs spotted moving back to Sydney from Melbourne.... what's next on his list? Port Moresby? Horn Island?

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RE: 1943! - 12/18/2014 6:25:13 AM

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Well, I am looking at you game form my perceptive. For me morale ~80 = low :), to low to go offensive.

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RE: 1943! - 12/18/2014 12:38:37 PM

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March 7, 1943

CHANGSHA FALLS! BANZAIIII!!!!!

Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 138789 troops, 1378 guns, 762 vehicles, Assault Value = 3899

Defending force 78563 troops, 263 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1518

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 5217

Allied adjusted defense: 801

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Changsha !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
6751 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 406 disabled
Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 61 disabled
Engineers: 31 destroyed, 34 disabled
Guns lost 34 (1 destroyed, 33 disabled)
Vehicles lost 14 (6 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
87990 casualties reported
Squads: 1751 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3889 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 119 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 357 (357 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 16

Assaulting units:
8th Ind Engineer Regiment
59th Division
116th Division
68th Division
58th Division
40th Division
13th Division
3rd Division
70th Division
60th Division
3rd Tank Division
39th Division
16th Division
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
5th Fleet
11th Army
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
10th Mortar Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Mortar Battalion
12th Army
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
2nd Chinese Corps
26th Chinese Corps
59th Chinese Corps
94th Chinese Corps
18th Chinese Corps
79th Chinese Corps
3rd New Chinese Corps
6th War Area
30th Group Army
29th Group Army
14th Construction Regiment
19th Group Army
9th War Area
27th Group Army
5th Construction Regiment
17th Chinese Base Force

Now my flanks are secure: next stop Kunming

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RE: 1943! - 12/18/2014 2:24:12 PM

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Wow, 357 guns destroyed. Given the abysmal Chinese gun production, you really hurt the Chinese here.

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RE: 1943! - 12/18/2014 3:07:05 PM

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I am not a big fan of the way that Obvert uses his fighter escorts. But he has his reasons. He does not like LRCAP as much as I do but I am convinced that it produces much better results. But, he certainly has enough there to do the job. P40K is a big leap for the Allies as it is almost as fast as the Tojo and a much more robust aircraft. Surprised to see him losing so many corsairs though. Personally I think LRCAP in place to help with sweeps would prevent that. But he knows this business as well as I do....

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RE: 1943! - 12/18/2014 3:22:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: Yaab

Wow, 357 guns destroyed. Given the abysmal Chinese gun production, you really hurt the Chinese here.

I am not sure the 'raw' values above the actual combat results are subjectto fog of war, so I think it more likely that the 237 listed in the 'participation' section is more accurate... just my .02.

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RE: 1943! - 12/18/2014 3:58:51 PM

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I am not a big fan of the way that Obvert uses his fighter escorts. But he has his reasons. He does not like LRCAP as much as I do but I am convinced that it produces much better results. But, he certainly has enough there to do the job. P40K is a big leap for the Allies as it is almost as fast as the Tojo and a much more robust aircraft. Surprised to see him losing so many corsairs though. Personally I think LRCAP in place to help with sweeps would prevent that. But he knows this business as well as I do....

Problem with LRCAP is that its very chancy and quite buggy. Also creates an insane amount of FAT. While escort sucks he might not have any other airframes in sufficient numbers and it does give some protection to the bombers.

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RE: 1943! - 12/18/2014 4:51:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Sangeli: LRCAP doesn't really work for me: Colombo is 4 hees from Trico and the last thing i need is to get my boys tired up to the 20/30s points defending air spaces that i am not 100% sure will be attacked (he could chose Colombo or Madras as a target every day).

I wasn't suggesting that you do it now; more a question of whether you could do it if Trico was shut down. But what about CAP at range 4 for some of the fighters at Colombo and Trico? That way if Erik attacks Colombo fighters from Trico can assist and vice versa. LRCAP works when you know where your opponent will attack (as you say not the case here) but bleeding CAP can be useful I think. I don't think fatigue at range 4 CAP is too bad. Given the disorganized quality of the raids in Ceylon, bleeding CAP seems like it might be more effective than usual as it gives the fighters plenty of time to vector into their targets.

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RE: 1943! - 12/18/2014 5:35:13 PM

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I have had LRCAP bleed to other bases. Not sure if that is a good or bad thing.

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RE: 1943! - 12/18/2014 6:05:56 PM

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I have had LRCAP bleed to other bases. Not sure if that is a good or bad thing.

That is my main problem with LRCAP. Especially since LRCAP seems to (on occasion at least) ignore both target and max range.

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RE: 1943! - 12/18/2014 9:14:22 PM

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That is my main problem with LRCAP. Especially since LRCAP seems to (on occasion at least) ignore both target and max range.

Ditto, and it is bad when they exceed the maximum range...from personal experience.

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RE: 1943! - 12/18/2014 9:20:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister
That is my main problem with LRCAP. Especially since LRCAP seems to (on occasion at least) ignore both target and max range.

Ditto, and it is bad when they exceed the maximum range...from personal experience.

Explains why in my current game I am seeing ~30 fatigue on range 0 LRCAP protecting a fleet in the same hex. Sounds like an actual bug. I'm curious if anyone has formally reported this one before. If not then someone should...

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RE: 1943! - 12/19/2014 5:33:47 AM

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Guys, to me Lrcap or leaky cap has never really worked well. In my experience, the CAP with a range of 4 hexes won't protect neither Colombo nor Trico. Also the japanese radar is so horrible that you cannot really expect it to work well in coordinating your fighters among different hexes, especially if we're talking about 4 hexes

March 8-9, 1943

The allies land at Mylne Bay and at Esperance (Oz) using fast transport or barges. Not much i can do (or i want to to) to stop them.
A damn good sweep hit Torokina (Bouganville Is.) and gets a great ratio: 20 A6M5s for 5 P-38s

We fought back in the Marshalls, intercepting a milky runs over Mili, downing 12 of his bombers for just 1 A6M3.

In China we got some good results on the road toward Kunming and the contested hex should be now ready to be conquered.
We're also re-organizing the garrison requirements in China, in the hope to free up some good SNLF units to be used in the pacific.

Really the all of Changsha is a gift. I can't say how much i am relieved by having that damned pocket cleared out

Nauru Is. is officially out of supplies now. We all need to prey for the souls of those brave men, who have stopped cold the USMC Marines for more than 4 months

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RE: 1943! - 12/19/2014 2:41:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: crsutton

I am not a big fan of the way that Obvert uses his fighter escorts. But he has his reasons. He does not like LRCAP as much as I do but I am convinced that it produces much better results. But, he certainly has enough there to do the job. P40K is a big leap for the Allies as it is almost as fast as the Tojo and a much more robust aircraft. Surprised to see him losing so many corsairs though. Personally I think LRCAP in place to help with sweeps would prevent that. But he knows this business as well as I do....

Problem with LRCAP is that its very chancy and quite buggy. Also creates an insane amount of FAT. While escort sucks he might not have any other airframes in sufficient numbers and it does give some protection to the bombers.

Hey Joc, yes there are some issues with fatigue being the largest cost. But I have done it both ways over the course of my AE experience and in spite of the flaws LRCAP is just much more efficient. And it prevents the horrendous losses to both bombers and especially fighters-something the Allies can't afford even occasionally at this stage of the game. I find that it also works better with Allies sweeps as they tend to go in one unit at a time. With LRCAP support this actually works better as it can just beat down local CAP in successive waves and almost guarantee that the bombers will go in unopposed.

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RE: 1943! - 12/19/2014 4:38:41 PM

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March 10-11, 1943

Very quiet, except for the night mining missions against Calcutta that sinks two xAMc of mine sweeping them. Pretty annoying.

Not much happened. we gained one more hex near Kunming, pushing back the last of the enemy corps dug in in the crossroad. Now we're only 46 miles far from Kunming. Not bad. I'm pretty positive. Moving one more tank division on that way. they are the most effective ones against the Chinese bastards!

Milne Bay is conquered easily by an American regiment. expected. Not really a concern. The allies are getting close to my "maginot line" of Umboi and Finshtafen. Don't think they'll be able to pass through it easily.

Supplies at 3.02 Millions and raising steady. Very well.

A6M8 at 10/43

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RE: 1943! - 12/19/2014 5:17:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Guys, to me Lrcap or leaky cap has never really worked well. In my experience, the CAP with a range of 4 hexes won't protect neither Colombo nor Trico. Also the japanese radar is so horrible that you cannot really expect it to work well in coordinating your fighters among different hexes, especially if we're talking about 4 hexes

Granted my experience with the Japanese is more limited but I've generally found that it takes a while for bleeding CAP to vector into an attack, but eventually most of the fighters will make it to the battlefield eventually if there are many waves. In order for bleeding CAP to be more effective than range 0 CAP in this situation you really only need more than half of the fighters to reach the battle as the alternative is to split the fighters between the bases. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong but its not like we have a good test case of this hypothesis in front of us to make a clear judgement one way or the other. Would be interested to hear what experience others have had with bleeding CAP like this as Japan because as the Allies I have found it to be useful in situations like this.

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RE: 1943! - 12/19/2014 5:35:45 PM

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March 10-11, 1943

Very quiet, except for the night mining missions against Calcutta that sinks two xAMc of mine sweeping them. Pretty annoying.

Not much happened. we gained one more hex near Kunming, pushing back the last of the enemy corps dug in in the crossroad. Now we're only 46 miles far from Kunming. Not bad. I'm pretty positive. Moving one more tank division on that way. they are the most effective ones against the Chinese bastards!

Milne Bay is conquered easily by an American regiment. expected. Not really a concern. The allies are getting close to my "maginot line" of Umboi and Finshtafen. Don't think they'll be able to pass through it easily.

Supplies at 3.02 Millions and raising steady. Very well.

A6M8 at 10/43

You are well ahead of mine, and I even took advantage of Realistic OFF to get the A6M5c really quickly!

I'm really interested in your supply trends, keep posting!

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RE: 1943! - 12/20/2014 5:34:06 AM

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Hey Joc, yes there are some issues with fatigue being the largest cost. But I have done it both ways over the course of my AE experience and in spite of the flaws LRCAP is just much more efficient. And it prevents the horrendous losses to both bombers and especially fighters-something the Allies can't afford even occasionally at this stage of the game. I find that it also works better with Allies sweeps as they tend to go in one unit at a time. With LRCAP support this actually works better as it can just beat down local CAP in successive waves and almost guarantee that the bombers will go in unopposed.

Just to be clear. I use LRCAP all the time. Not saying escort should be used exclusively instead.

But in certain scenarios I prefer to use Escort over LRCAP despite its horrendous disadvantages.

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RE: 1943! - 12/20/2014 7:00:01 AM

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I have learned very useful trick using LRCAP during my game vs Spidery. If you set most of your fighters to LRCAP over enemy base at very high altitude and next you will send sweep at medium altitude. Game will lower enemy CAP to intercept incoming sweep at medium alt, as result your opponent fighters are between two yours layers and are easy pray for bigger and higher flaying one. It works for me with P-47 on LRCAP and F4U-1 as sweepers, this is only way I can beat my opponents hordes of N1K1-J flying at 40k alt.

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RE: 1943! - 12/26/2014 9:18:14 AM

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The game is on hold untill the new year cause Erik is attending to his honeymoon overseas and promised her not to bring the pc with him

The last turn is the 14th Marc 1943

The allies are pushing fast now in the SOPAC/SWPAC. Conquered the corner of Milne May and now are pushing towards Lae. At the same time they got Shortland island and are now at the very gates of Bouganville, which is my main perimeter. Will try to reinforce now Buka and Green Island, so to avoid a coup de main at my back.

I've taken a decision now about India: we'll get out. Madras willbe evacuated by 1st April and eastern India will be abbandoned. We'll move to a new perimeter in order to defend Burma but not giving China an easy time anyway.
Ceylon will be kept, but i'll withdraw the divisions and the HQs,leaving behind just 600 AVs of secondary troops (indipendent regiments and Brigades).
Madras will be the key. Won't be an easy task to accomplsh...90,000 men in a single night....

. Hopefully Erik won't notice untill the very last moment...so, shhhhhhhhhh!!!! LOSE LIPS KILL SHIPS!!!!

In OZ i feel i quite accomplished what i wanted. Got everything back to Exmouth and Port Hedland and now the perimeter looks solid again.
Exmouth has now 850 AVs with 4 forts and i hope to get to 6 before he advances. Perth is still mine, which is good. More months gained.

The initial idea of forcing him to advance in the CENTPAC is, hopefully,working.

I am also planning the reinforce of Java and Sumatra. Should have 5 Divisions for Sumatra and 5 more for Java in the next 3 months (from China and from India).

Horn Island is getting a good CD unit now and a full division is arriving from China in the next 50 days, along with 50,000 supplies. Hopefully he will avoid it and concentrate on advancing towards Rabaul and the Marshalls.

Nauru is stillin my hands, even if supplies are now completely run dry...my air bridge is still working but not bringing enough...

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RE: 1943! - 12/26/2014 9:25:29 AM

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This is the newly planned perimeter in India-Burma

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RE: 1943! - 12/26/2014 10:34:17 AM

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Belated Merry Christmas Nic!!

I would ensure Ramree Island is a small fortress. From my experience this base allowed me to supply my troop in the Irrawaddy River valley easily while having those base built to max in Amman area didn't.

Are you temporarily converting your xAKs to (-t) to allow more troops on your transport for your Madras evac?? For me, my Aden Class xAKs are my main resource haulers, but you may need them for this operation.

Good luck, counselor.

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RE: 1943! - 12/26/2014 11:21:55 AM

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Belated Merry Christmas Nic!!

I would ensure Ramree Island is a small fortress. From my experience this base allowed me to supply my troop in the Irrawaddy River valley easily while having those base built to max in Amman area didn't.

Are you temporarily converting your xAKs to (-t) to allow more troops on your transport for your Madras evac?? For me, my Aden Class xAKs are my main resource haulers, but you may need them for this operation.

Good luck, counselor.

Happy xmas to u too micheal!!!!

Yup, but Easier than defending Ramree is defending the hex just east of it. River crossing hex and, once held, prevents anything to flow from it to the valley.
The key in Burma is to defend just few spots. There are some key hexes that let u gain control over Burma.
A thai division is moving to Ramree with some engineers anyway, but plan to put a whole crack division and some heavy artillery right east of it, should work...

I already have enough xAK-Ts and also pretty a lot of xAPs. Transports for this op shouldnt be a problem. The main problem will be timing and the air control over Madras untill all my units are out.
The KB will be needed tough....

Will be massive. I will need to load 90,000 men at Madras and 30,000 at Calcutta at the very same time, while more 230k will have to rail out from Assam to the Burma border

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