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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/9/2014 6:14:25 PM

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Watch it when retreating. You won�t believe how fast overstacking can burn ALL the supply in the hex. It can very quickly snowball out of control and turn into an avalanche of retreats. Once that happens there is no recovery.

Do you mean in China?

I'm not really retreating anywhere, yet. The only places I've had to finally move I managed to get out by my own design rather than being forced to go. Right now the retreats that could occur wouldn't really hurt as the stack one hex outside of Kweiyang is right at the 50k SL max but the Kweiyang hex is at around 30k, and it's being reduced to around 15k. So if he pushed me back it wouldn't be overstacked by much and the roads are good so it could be fixed in two days. At Chikhiang it's much the same, and the good roads make it a short lived situation.

Yes, in China. Looking at the CR you will retreat from 73,49 shortly whether you want to or not. Sounds like you got it covered though.

Ha! You're just a bundle of optimism, hey!

Possibly, but he's still far from a 1:1 according to the combat calculation and that is with very high disruption to the troops. I'm moving in a fresh unit and that hex is precisely why the air force is now sitting in Kunming. He can keep on bombing, but he has to risk something now unless he sweeps me out of the mountains first. Even a few day and the unit disruption goes down, some disabled are healed, and he has to start over working it back up. That's the goal anyway. Supply might become a problem for the IJA as well, at least occasionally, up here.

The first LR CAP went badly, but I have hopes for the next few.

Here is a map.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/9/2014 6:29:12 PM

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Quick note on the bombing conversation: I've noticed in many games players bomb far too much, and then even if successful, don't take operational advantage. What good is it for a Japanese player to use up supply, Ops losses bombing a Chinese unit to 90 Disruption and 70 fatigue if he doesn't storm the hex and then move forward to take a key city?
I'd say in one game I played about 50% of the Allied player's bombings were really just nuisance, though they cost him a lot of Ops losses. They may have weakened an island garrison by 5% or something, but really did nothing substantial in the long run.

In this case Nick's volume is high but his targets are meaningful. He's hitting bases close to or at the hex where he's attacking to kill supply and he's bombing troops in hexes where he has armies trying to break through. With SL you can't easily 'storm the hex' and breakthrough. The numbers are even although the IJA firepower is much better. So over time the aerial bombardment can weaken troops enough that they're forced to move back or they are beaten.

In the hex right in front of Chikhiang this took about three months of constant bombing and bombarding. The question is whether this is beneficial in the long term if the industry of China doesn't fall and make up for some of the supply, troops and airframes used.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/9/2014 9:59:50 PM

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That is a good looking defense of China! Well done.

Of course I have no idea how dug in everyone is, but what a lot of fights Greyjoy will need to get anywhere.

You are doing so well, proving that it is easier to go from Japan to the Allies than the other way around! I think.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/10/2014 3:34:17 AM

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Quick note on the bombing conversation: I've noticed in many games players bomb far too much, and then even if successful, don't take operational advantage. What good is it for a Japanese player to use up supply, Ops losses bombing a Chinese unit to 90 Disruption and 70 fatigue if he doesn't storm the hex and then move forward to take a key city?
I'd say in one game I played about 50% of the Allied player's bombings were really just nuisance, though they cost him a lot of Ops losses. They may have weakened an island garrison by 5% or something, but really did nothing substantial in the long run.

In this case Nick's volume is high but his targets are meaningful. He's hitting bases close to or at the hex where he's attacking to kill supply and he's bombing troops in hexes where he has armies trying to break through. With SL you can't easily 'storm the hex' and breakthrough. The numbers are even although the IJA firepower is much better. So over time the aerial bombardment can weaken troops enough that they're forced to move back or they are beaten.

In the hex right in front of Chikhiang this took about three months of constant bombing and bombarding. The question is whether this is beneficial in the long term if the industry of China doesn't fall and make up for some of the supply, troops and airframes used.

If it took that long I would question the tactic. An operation like that would result in a large VP investment in planes and the lost opportunity of what they might have been doing effectively instead.

Even in the worst terrain, flanking manuvers may be able to force a repositioning of his forces and given something like 90 days should be within any timeline. And it doesnt cost VP's.

There are very good points here. I have seen both sides use air power just because they have it rather than for some long term effect. And I agree that for effective campaigns you have to consider the follow through and focus attacks rather than just hit and run for the small point scores and minor disruption/supply usage. This goes especially for the Japanese.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/10/2014 11:28:32 AM

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That is a good looking defense of China! Well done.

Of course I have no idea how dug in everyone is, but what a lot of fights Greyjoy will need to get anywhere.

You are doing so well, proving that it is easier to go from Japan to the Allies than the other way around! I think.

I actually have based my defense on several Allied players I've seen do well in China over the past and some of them never played Japan that I'm aware of. Nick has played both, and he knows each side intimately. I'm definitely the rookie on th eAllied side here and I'll make many more mistakes before this one is finished!

Most of the rear areas now are units recovering from the long battles around Chikhiang and in the mountains, and they need several months to get strength back from 60-70% disablements. I'd like to be able to hold on the front at least 1-2 months per hex, so that as he gets closer to the Central plains the ability to help from India increases and the recovering units in China can be more prepared to fight again.

The hex near Kweiyang is tough as it's only a x2, and against armor that's not good enough. The little stop in bombing though allowed my troops to recover disruption and also build forts. One unit has a level 3 fort there now and two others got to level 2. So now I just need the new one to build forts and it could be a tough hex.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/10/2014 11:36:54 AM

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Quick note on the bombing conversation: I've noticed in many games players bomb far too much, and then even if successful, don't take operational advantage. What good is it for a Japanese player to use up supply, Ops losses bombing a Chinese unit to 90 Disruption and 70 fatigue if he doesn't storm the hex and then move forward to take a key city?
I'd say in one game I played about 50% of the Allied player's bombings were really just nuisance, though they cost him a lot of Ops losses. They may have weakened an island garrison by 5% or something, but really did nothing substantial in the long run.

In this case Nick's volume is high but his targets are meaningful. He's hitting bases close to or at the hex where he's attacking to kill supply and he's bombing troops in hexes where he has armies trying to break through. With SL you can't easily 'storm the hex' and breakthrough. The numbers are even although the IJA firepower is much better. So over time the aerial bombardment can weaken troops enough that they're forced to move back or they are beaten.

In the hex right in front of Chikhiang this took about three months of constant bombing and bombarding. The question is whether this is beneficial in the long term if the industry of China doesn't fall and make up for some of the supply, troops and airframes used.

If it took that long I would question the tactic. An operation like that would result in a large VP investment in planes and the lost opportunity of what they might have been doing effectively instead.

Even in the worst terrain, flanking manuvers may be able to force a repositioning of his forces and given something like 90 days should be within any timeline. And it doesnt cost VP's.

There are very good points here. I have seen both sides use air power just because they have it rather than for some long term effect. And I agree that for effective campaigns you have to consider the follow through and focus attacks rather than just hit and run for the small point scores and minor disruption/supply usage. This goes especially for the Japanese.

Flanking is hard in the particular areas he had to move through. I did have units in those hexes and they were dug in, so if he started moving that way my plan was to reinforce enough that he'd simply have another maxed and stalemated position on the flank but with less supply movement and that would take longer to extricate himself from. He tried a bit of that earlier around Psingsiang and it resulted in about three IJA divisions sitting in the woods for a few months doing nothing.

If he thinks he can break through this might all be worth it. The clock is ticking now though, and as 43 gets near the Allies start to get much stronger. So all of the resources here, the units like the several tank divisions and brigades and extra divisions, arty and other support brought in, are not on the perimeter of the Empire preparing for the Allied counter, which is already picking up steam.

In short, it's time for me to get serious about showing a willingness to defend China at all costs and make him choose whether it is indeed worth it to keep pushing with all of this or to call it a day and get to reinforcing the outer edges.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/10/2014 12:59:48 PM

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The Detroit takes out an Ansyu PB at Mili. These little action don't seem like much, but it's exp at night went up to 60 from this one encounter, and those ships are 10VP.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/10/2014 1:00:46 PM

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Look what appears in So Pac!!!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/10/2014 1:31:19 PM

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SO PAC: Oct 5 - 7, 1942
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REKATA BAY: The IJN shows up in force in the Solomons and pounds troops at Rekata Bay into submission. On the 5th I noticed the mini-KB hanging out near Bouganville, and sent in all of the subs. They retreated and the rest of the IJN moved in. Somehow most of the subs missed the major fleet elements moving down along the islands, but in the day all was revealed (see below). Another major counter invasion of Rekata Bay.

This is exactly the kind of information I needed to find out with these operations. If he's going to commit very valuable forces, then there are opportunities to take some of those out. Out of the ~15 subs in the area probably 10 got shots during these days, so it was pretty busy, but only two major hits landed, both on the Kashima. The escorts kept us away from the big ships and the transports, and the troops landed with major disruptions, but this time the BB bombardments, with Yamoto and some CAs, and also with Fuso and Yamashiro, swung the day.

I should have taken Thousand Ships Bay so my troops would retreat toward there, but I had though they'd just move back to the unoccupied area on the island. They surrendered instead. Too bad, but all of these were partial units, and mostly small, so can be rebuilt.

As a huge risk I sent in the Wasp and a large cruiser force to the area to the East of Rekata Bay. They would have had a shot at 7 hexes if anything was around during the day, but all of it had left other than an ASW TF, and the CVs didn't launch for that. Probably a good thing. It may be that they're unseen though, as the TFs show no DL. They'll move back to the shadows and wait for another opportunity.

TAGULA AND DEBOYNE ISLANDS: Tagula makes a level 1 field. This stops the bombing at Deboyne that began from the Port Moresby fields a few days earlier. Now that Rekata Bay is in Japanese hands I'm sure he'll begin concentrating on these smaller outposts. Again these are minimal and partial units, so any losses can be made up without too much difficulty, and the Japanese using major fleet units to go down here would potentially be a risk I'd like to see them take again.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 6, 42
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ASW attack near Panggoe at 112,133

Japanese Ships
CL Kashima, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
PB Tama Maru #8
SC Ch 12
SC Ch 9
AMC Kiyosumi Maru
AK Nako Maru
AK Tosan Maru
AK Kinka Maru
AK Sasako Maru
AK Sakura Maru
xAK Oridono Maru
xAK San Francisco Maru
xAK Nozima Maru
xAK Akiura Maru
PB Takunan Maru #5
PB Takunan Maru #2
PB Shuko Maru #5
PB Sonan Maru #5

Allied Ships
SS O24

SS O24 launches 4 torpedoes at CL Kashima
O24 bottoming out ....
PB Takunan Maru #5 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Takunan Maru #2 fails to find sub and abandons search
Escort abandons search for sub

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Amphibious Assault at Rekata Bay (113,134)

TF 37 troops unloading over beach at Rekata Bay, 113,134

Japanese ground losses:
671 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 91 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 93 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 39 (0 destroyed, 39 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

15 Support troops lost overboard during unload of Sasebo 6th SNLF
17 troops of a SNLF Inf Squad 41 accidentally lost during unload of Yokosuka 6th SNLF
17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost in surf during unload of 15th Garrison Unit

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Rekata Bay at 113,134

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 6
A6M3a Zero x 19

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato
DD Karii

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
2 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
1 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Naval Attack: 8 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Yokosuka Ku T-3 with A6M3a Zero (19 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
19 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 11000.
Raid is overhead
14th Ku S-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 6000.
Raid is overhead

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 7, 42
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Night Naval bombardment of Rekata Bay at 113,134

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato
CA Kako
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
DD Kosugiri
DD Uruyuke
DD Yuzuki
DD Kikuzuki
DD Oboro
DD Murakumo
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Isonami
DD Shirakumo
DD Shinonome
DD Fubuki

Allied ground losses:
127 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Port hits 10
Port supply hits 4

F1M2 Pete acting as spotter for BB Yamato
BB Yamato firing at Rekata Bay

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Night Naval bombardment of Rekata Bay at 113,134

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro
BB Fuso
CL Tama
CL Kuma
CL Abukuma
DD Yanagi
DD Karii
DD Kuretake
DD Uranami

Allied ground losses:
190 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 12 (5 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Port hits 15
Port supply hits 3

BB Yamashiro firing at Rekata Bay
BB Fuso firing at Rekata Bay

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Sub attack near Rekata Bay at 114,134

Japanese Ships
CL Abukuma
CL Kuma
DD Yanagi
DD Karii
DD Uranami
DD Kuretake

Allied Ships
SS Grunion

SS Grunion launches 4 torpedoes at CL Abukuma
Grunion diving deep ....
DD Kuretake fails to find sub, continues to search...

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Sub attack near Panggoe at 112,133

Japanese Ships
CL Kashima, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS S-41

SS S-41 launches 4 torpedoes at CL Kashima
S-41 bottoming out ....
Sub escapes detection
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This is where the Wasp and cruisers ended up. It's good to try these things and realize at least that the plan and settings worked even if there was nothing there to hit. Now, I wonder if Nick sees them or not?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/10/2014 1:41:01 PM

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Oct 5 - 7, 1942

CHINA: The first use of the newly installed fighter flying from Kunming was not good. Only a very small portion ended up over the 5 hexes distant troops and when zeros came in they had a numbers advantage and blasted all of the planes, even the P-38s.

The next day though I moved some into Changsha and Nick went for it the same day, probably seeing the importance of the completely undamaged fields there and potential of supply. These P-40Ks did really well on the day, getting almost 2:1 against fighters and downing about 12-15 bombers from the reports. The fields are closed so I had to abandon 7 planes there when moving them out the next day, but it's worth it. The Allies are getting just enough now to take some risks, and the results are clear already.

The troops near Kweiyang have taken some supply, built forts and their disruption is almost completely gone with the short break from air strikes. We'll now see how much Nick will pursue an air war in China and how much this can distract from the progress on the ground.

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Morning Air attack on 14th Chinese Corps, at 73,49 , near Kweiyang

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 32

Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 4
P-38F Lightning x 13
P-40K Warhawk x 5
F4F-3 Wildcat x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38E Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-38F Lightning: 2 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 2 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x A6M3 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 7, 42
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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 28
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 24

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x A6M3 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 41
G4M1 Betty x 29
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 29
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 85

Aircraft Attacking:
35 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
23 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 32
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 24
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 5
Ki-51 Sonia x 3

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 12
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These guys have now gotten a chance to dig more, gotten some supply, and the disruption is nearly gone. If the most recent addition can build forts now things will be looking more solid again.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/10/2014 2:49:45 PM

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INDIA: Oct 5 - 7, 1942

INDIA: In India the movement of an army from Benares has not gone without a response from the IJA. Troops are moving out of Patna but not by rail, they're walking, which surprises me. So is he moving out to challenge and fight, or to make a cover for retreat? I'm not sure yet, but the 1500AV that is now moving will cross the river on the road between Benares and Ranchi on the 8th. So far nothing occupies that hex, and we've slowed to put everything in combat mode to cross just in case he come flying in there. I have two good divisions I've left in strat mode in Benares plus another 300AV in armor ready to move in or around the IJA should they become stabilized.

Our paratroops took Darjeeling and Rangpur on the 6th and on the 7th he counter dropped on Rangpur to take it back. My paras for some reason gave up instead of retreating to Darjeeling, which is too bad. I'll have to rebuild that one from the few engineers and support left in Benares. At Darjeeling I've got construction workers already in and half a base force, and flew in two P-39 groups. Both zeros and Oscars swept and did well, but the P-38s held on and there were about 40% still working after. I flew the least able group out and added some P-40Es for the 8th. Some light AA is also being flown in.

There is a small unit blocking the rail to move in and out of Darjeeling right now. I'll bomb it soon if possible but I want to see if I can weaken the Patna CAP first by sweeping over his troops to see if he's LR CAPing them. If so theLR CAPers should have a slight disadvantage in numbers and no radar.

I'll also bomb Ranchi, which is a risk, but my recon shows only 44 fighters there now, and though more could be added, it seems a good time to try the least packed airfield and set the 4Es loose on it. If I can at least partially close that then Patna becomes an island out there and much more vulnerable, so the options for protecting troops could be less viable.

On the West coast Bellary is in Allied hands after being abandoned by the IJA, and armor plus a division will soon move on Bangalore.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 6, 42
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Ground combat at Rangpur (58,34)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 540 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 17

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 17 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Rangpur !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
2nd USMC Parachute Bn /1

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Ground combat at Darjeeling (59,32)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 654 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 28

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 22

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 22 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Darjeeling !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Parachute Bn /1

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 7, 42
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Morning Air attack on Darjeeling , at 59,32

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 33

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Darjeeling , at 59,32

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 22

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-43-IIb Oscar sweeping at 20000 feet
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We'll see what the plan is here. I know Nick has had a lot of troops in India, and currently recon is not showing any large concentrations in this area. He could rail them in so I have to be careful not to get surprised here.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/11/2014 9:57:54 AM

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SIGINT: Oct 5 - 8, 1942

Among the usual messages like ...

Kitachishima Fortress is located at Paramushiro-jima(137,47)
Arshaan Fortress is located at Arshaan(105,33)
Babeldoap Naval Fortress is located at Babeldaob(90,97).

... there are some very useful tidbits, and one more absolute jackpot (again).

12/Guards Mixed Brigade is loaded on a Ansyu xPB class PB moving to Rabaul.

This implies a greater commitment to the So Pac area, which is one of the main objectives I'd hoped to achieve with operation Grapeshot. So far I've had a 60AV cavalry unit nearly wiped out (rebuilding from the core still at Luganvile now) and a few other small units decimated, but the cost is minimal and the benefit is growing. The IJN has taken a few small dents and three torps in CL Kashima. She's at best an escort, but if she makes it through to 44 she becomes an uber-escort, so nice to get the 21 VPs and be rid of her now, if she did indeed go down. On top of that major fleet forces are being put in jeopardy of a similar fate down here, and the best part is that this is not a major area of interest for the Allied push forward.

Cent Pac and So Pac for me are areas of opportunity. If there's low hanging fruit I'll pluck it, but otherwise I'll try to get the Japanese to fight far from home and then try to work their supply and reinforcement lines once sub TTs work better in 43. In the meantime several naval guards and a mixed brigade have lost half of their strength to disablements having being landed unprepped and will only slowly recover. I'll push with the hope of more units having to be moved down to fill gaps and build steadily in places I'm allowed to. The Japanese can obviously stop us at this point, but it takes a commitment, and if that commitment is Yamato and other big ships, then I'll keep risking small forces to get those big pieces into play and into danger.

2/7th RF Gun Battalion is loaded on xAK Thames Maru moving to Rabaul.

This is also good, as the Japanese don't get too any of these AT units, and the less that are in CBI or OZ the better.

13/56th Division is loaded on a Japanese xAP moving to Port Hedland.

This makes two divisions moving to Port Hedland. Looks like either he's using this point for convoys to move to before redirecting to Perth, or that this is meant as a big fortress to hold off the Allied advance. Either way it seems these are moving to OZ, and that is a good thing again. The more the better. Keep em coming.

16/Imperial Guards Division is loaded on a Kyushu Cargo class xAK moving to Perth.
8/Imperial Guards Division is loaded on a Ansyu-C Cargo class xAK moving to Perth.

This one is definitely for Perth. Although it took part in the taking of Perth on 4_10_42 and I had four notices from 6_21_42 to 9_24_42 that it was still at Perth?

So, is this misdirection at work, and the division is actually leaving Perth now? Or did it leave for a very short time and is coming back?

At this point I've bought out three Aussie divisions for Esperance and Albany along with a bunch of Aussie armor, NZ armor and brigades. Most of the NZ brigades are prepping for landings at Geraldton, Carnarvon, and Exmouth to land behind after a push at Esperance and Albany. I just had a thought though that maybe it would even be better to land behind first, then go to Esperance and Albany. Either way it'll take some misdirection and deception to hopefully get the Japanese reacting elsewhere. I'm join got have to start building seriously in NE OZ if he's going to ale me seriously in SW Pac, as I've done virtually nothing up there yet.

58th Infantry Brigade is planning for an attack on Wenchow.
32nd Division is planning for an attack on Sian.

Still getting reports that prep is happening for Wenchow and for Sian. Wenchow at this point would require a pretty serious investment, as for a while when the bombing was more intermittent here I let the troops take replacements, getting to 800+ AV and filling out some arty, and they still have 4k supply and holding (down from 5k in 1/42, so holding pretty well). At Sian the troops are at 1750 AV and well rested with good experience levels from previous fighting, and the base has 4 forts. It's vulnerable being in the clear, but he has to shock over the river to get there, and after the last time, he may just be too wary to try it. I've moved around 1,200 AV of rested corps away from the area (and another 800 AV from the Lanchow area) into the center to aide in reinforcing the hexes being defended near Chikhiang and Kweiyang.

1st Tank/C Division is located at Hengyang(80,53).

Resting up from the battles in front of Chikhiang, most likely. It's good to know we did enough damage that it can't take part right now.

BB Mutsu is moving to 10,70.

And the Coup de Grace!!! Again?!? My SIGINT luck can't go on like this forever! Wow. The silent service is on the way!

This is close to Diego Garcia. I can't imagine this is where the KB is headed, but I can't imagine Mutsu out here on a limb without the KB either. Huh. Any ideas?

a Type KRS class SS is moving to Geraldton (49,141).

This ship movement message isn't as critical, but still cool to see.

TK Kinmo Maru is located at Rangoon (54,53).

This one is pretty useful since I have subs all over the area close by looking for Kaga. Keep it coming FRUPAC!

The 'pack' of subs here is my ready to move group that was moving toward Sabang in case Kaga was found, but will now be given individual patrol routes toward the Mutsu 'destination' point. The other available LR subs to the West will also move in around Diego (where there are very effective ASW air patrols, and subs from the straits will filter out as well. I'l leave several subs in the area though to make sure Kaga doesn't sneak through to Singers without me at least getting a whiff of her leaking bunker.

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Great breakdown of intel! I am using my intel in a similar way but somehow I'm not really getting anywhere... Really don't know why..

I'll give you a breakdown of my last turn

Radio transmissions detected at Voroshilov (112,45).
This obviously means that there are (probably) Soviets at Voroshilov so if we want to take it we would have to bring troops, guns tanks and supplies...

Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Seattle (212,52).

This obviously means that there are (probably) a lot of capitalists at Seattle. Maybe ships, aircraft (all kinds) and soldiers.. Can't be to sure..

Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Pearl Harbor (180,107).

This obviously means that there are (probably) a lot of capitalists at Pearl Harbor. Maybe ships, aircraft (all kinds) and soldiers.. Can't be to sure..

Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Bombay (36,24).

This obviously means that there are (probably) a lot of ??? at Bombay. Maybe ships, aircraft (all kinds) and soldiers.. Can't be to sure..

Radio transmissions detected at Perth (49,147).

This obviously means that there are (probably) some of ??? at Perth. Maybe ships, aircraft (all kinds) and soldiers.. Can't be to sure..

Radio transmissions detected at Bella Bella (203,46).

This one is a mystery to me....

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/11/2014 11:19:43 AM

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Oct 8, 1942

SUBS: Truant doesn't find the ship she's looking for but does get a hold of a small tanker near the Malay coastline.

INDIA: Nick tries another para-drop to take back Darjeeling from our paras. We were able to move in 12AVs of engineers and a piece of a base force and the paras are very good Marines, a bit more protected here in the x2 terrain. We fight the attack off at a 1:2 and the Japanese take twice the casualties.

Nick also bring in all of the available bombers to plaster the fields, and succeeds, but with some losses. On the day across the board we each are reported to have lost 42 planes, but the majority for both sides are here at Darjelling. Ours are lost on the ground as waves of strikes come throughout the day, but the P-40E and P-39D do very well first fighting off the sweeping A6M3a group and then bursting right through escorting Oscars to dive on the bombers and get a few each time before their runs. A few more are lost to flak as the Base Force 40mm Bofors open up.

Afterward about half of the air groups are disabled on the ground and the fields are at 64 damage. I can't risk keeping them here even if the engineers could fix the fields in time, so I move out the healthy planes and all pilots and leave the other 14 airframes to their fate. We'll see if Nick keeps going here.

Around Benares/Patna ~25k troops are shown in Ranchi as 4Es plaster and effectively close the undefended base. These are seen to be moving toward Benares, so I decided to take our reserve troops out of strat mode and get them ready to move down to support the rear of the advancing army. Our 1,500 AV makes it across the river and turns toward Patna where a block of another ~25k troops is sitting one hex outside of that base. If recon is correct this can't be more than two divisions, and with 12 units, isn't even likely to be that. On the 8th sweepers went over the stack to no resistance and tomorrow bombers follow. he has 190 fighters at Patna and could put a big LR CAP over the troops, but sweeps and LR CAP should give good protection if it all works as planned. About 100 MB will take part.

A few other small missions are set to hit troops on the rail from 2k altitude, and a few recon/bombing missions.

CENT PAC: Tarawa and Ocean continue to be built up. The bombardment of Makin shows that it's also ripe for the taking with only one naval guard there.

SO PAC: A small DMS bombardment of Deboyne Islands, but that's it. Our Wasp TF gets a 3/3 DL today so he now may know some CV is in the area, but he might also have to wonder how many with that low of a detection level.

CHINA: Bombers continue to hit Changsha. I decide to let everything sit another day repairing planes, and should be back to strength in 1-2 days. One small mission initiated, but it may not come off if the bombing run doesn't go over that base. Troops near Kweiyang now all have full supply and all have at least 1 fort!

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Morning Air attack on Darjeeling , at 59,32

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 35

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 15
P-40E Warhawk x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 4 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Darjeeling , at 59,32

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 33
G4M1 Betty x 49

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 5
P-40E Warhawk x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 5 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 10 destroyed on ground
P-40E Warhawk: 4 damaged

Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 13
Runway hits 25

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x G3M3 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Darjeeling , at 59,32

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 25
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 84
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 4

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 5
P-40E Warhawk x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Darjeeling , at 59,32

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 40
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 23

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 5
P-40E Warhawk x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 3 destroyed
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ranchi , at 52,32

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 48
B-17E Fortress x 41
B-17F Fortress x 3
B-24D Liberator x 18

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Airbase hits 21
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 48

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Tandjoengbalai at 48,78

Japanese Ships
TK Kanze Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC Ch 17

Allied Ships
SS Truant, hits 5

SS Truant launches 4 torpedoes at TK Kanze Maru
SC Ch 17 attacking submerged sub ....
SC Ch 17 fails to find sub, continues to search...

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Ground combat at Darjeeling (59,32)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 884 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 30

Defending force 1825 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 42

Japanese adjusted assault: 16

Allied adjusted defense: 46

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
2nd Raiding Rgt /1

Defending units:
1st USMC Parachute Battalion
3rd US Naval Const Bn /1
51st Base Group /1
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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 10/11/2014 11:27:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

Great breakdown of intel! I am using my intel in a similar way but somehow I'm not really getting anywhere... Really don't know why..

I'll give you a breakdown of my last turn

Radio transmissions detected at Voroshilov (112,45).
This obviously means that there are (probably) Soviets at Voroshilov so if we want to take it we would have to bring troops, guns tanks and supplies...

Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Seattle (212,52).

This obviously means that there are (probably) a lot of capitalists at Seattle. Maybe ships, aircraft (all kinds) and soldiers.. Can't be to sure..

Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Pearl Harbor (180,107).

This obviously means that there are (probably) a lot of capitalists at Pearl Harbor. Maybe ships, aircraft (all kinds) and soldiers.. Can't be to sure..

Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at Bombay (36,24).

This obviously means that there are (probably) a lot of ??? at Bombay. Maybe ships, aircraft (all kinds) and soldiers.. Can't be to sure..

Radio transmissions detected at Perth (49,147).

This obviously means that there are (probably) some of ??? at Perth. Maybe ships, aircraft (all kinds) and soldiers.. Can't be to sure..

Radio transmissions detected at Bella Bella (203,46).

This one is a mystery to me....

Ha!!! Believe me I know the frustration. I still keep looking there in my Japanese game, but it's about once every 100 turns something useful pops up.

If you ask me, the Bella Bella info is the important one here. Send the KB right away!!

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Every now and then while reading a history book on the Pacific War, especially on the codebreaking aspects, I'm mystified the Japanese even started the war in the first place. I mean there was virtually no Japanese Intelligence arm or effort at all! Which partly explains why they started the war....

I stopped looking at Japanese intel reports in my PBEM game as the Japanese. In the Allied game of course, one takes copious notes...

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Every now and then while reading a history book on the Pacific War, especially on the codebreaking aspects, I'm mystified the Japanese even started the war in the first place. I mean there was virtually no Japanese Intelligence arm or effort at all! Which partly explains why they started the war....

I stopped looking at Japanese intel reports in my PBEM game as the Japanese. In the Allied game of course, one takes copious notes...

IIRC, there is a story (reported in one of the AARs about a year back) that a U-boat delivering technical materials to Japan also had a copy of a British memo detailing the defences of HK-Malaya-Burma.
It basically revealed that all the propaganda about Fortress Singapore was a sham and the British could not really strike back if Japan started something. That figured into the final decision to go ahead
with the attack on PH, knowing that there was little to fear at Japan's back.
So one could say Japan went to war because of German Intel.

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If you ask me, the Bella Bella info is the important one here. Send the KB right away!!

There are a couple allied units which spawn there. It's possible radio traffic picks up when they arrive.

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quote:

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If you ask me, the Bella Bella info is the important one here. Send the KB right away!!

There are a couple allied units which spawn there. It's possible radio traffic picks up when they arrive.

Ed-

I'd better check! I don't think I've looked at that base all game!

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Oct 9, 1942

SUBS: Silversides takes a pounding from the Solomon Sea minesweeping and bombarding group near Rabaul. She's heading back to patch up and should be fine.

Three subs put down 60 mines at Rekata Bay and some PBs stationed there began sweeping them right away, one of them the hard way!

INDIA: Our sweeps hit nothing again, which is always a relief, and the MBs went through to put minor damage on the troops emerging from Patna. The flak is decent here, even from 14k, but I know these kinds of strikes do start to wear down Japanese flak units, giving them high fatigue and disruption very quickly. I made a tough decision to keep them on for tomorrow, but it is a tough decision. Check out the map below to see why! Calcutta is heaving with stuff right now!!!

The 55th division is the one moving out from Patna ,and our bombers didn't find another here, which would be consistent with the estimate of ~26k troops split over 12 units. I'm curious what all of those bombers in Calcutta will aim at when they're tired of hitting Darjeeling?

This base took a pounding again, but only about 4 planes lost on the ground even though no CAP was up. Cleared the rail of two units it looks like, but there is another farther down still clogging the path, and the Chinese will give that one a try too, although Nick may give it a CAP this time. We'll see.

About 11k troops are one hex from our river crossing point and the hex that it looks like the Japanese want to fight in. They're moving up from Ranchi, including the 36th division, as our intrepid A-29 group found out going in unescorted to bomb the units there from 6k to get this info. I've got them on fr hitting the closer units tomorrow if possible.

A bunch of shipping is also at Calcutta looking like transports for troops. Coming in or moving out?!? This is getting interesting!

At Bellary the Japanese try to bomb units there and find a bunch of good AA. No hits!

I'm trying to sneak a soon to disband unit forward along the coast to Calicut. If left unmolested it should arrive the day before disbanding and take the (at least previously) uninhabited base.

CHINA: No joy at Wenchow, where I had flown in 4 P-38s to hit the habitual Lilys. Back to Chungking.

The IJA gets a scarily good DA at Chinkhiang. Doesn't look like months here (although it's actually been one already since the big battle in the hex in front finished). I've got another fully supplied 400+ AV unit moving in, so lets see if it arrives in time.

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Sub attack near Rabaul at 107,126

Japanese Ships
DMS W-9
DMS W-10

Allied Ships
SS Silversides, hits 4

SS Silversides launches 2 torpedoes at DMS W-9
Silversides bottoming out ....
DMS W-10 fails to find sub, continues to search...

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TF 131 encounters mine field at Rekata Bay (113,134)

Japanese Ships
PB Kyo Maru #6
PB Yahada Maru
PB Chokai Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

3 mines cleared

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Morning Air attack on 40th Const Co , at 54,31 , near Patna

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
SB-III x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
84 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x SB-III bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 1st Raiding Regiment, at 54,31 , near Patna

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
SB-III x 10

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x SB-III bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 55th Division, at 53,30 , near Patna

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-66 Vanguard x 12
Hurricane IIa Trop x 2
Hurricane IIb Trop x 26
Hurricane IIc Trop x 3
Wellington Ic x 24
B-25C Mitchell x 18
B-26 Marauder x 44

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington Ic: 2 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
B-26 Marauder: 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
275 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Wellington Ic bombing from 14000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 51st Air Defense AA Regiment, at 53,30 , near Patna

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 7
Hurricane IIb Trop x 23
Hurricane IIc Trop x 10
B-25C Mitchell x 11
B-26 Marauder x 19

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 14000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Dacca , at 56,38

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 30,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 28500 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 36th Division, at 52,32 (Ranchi)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-29 Hudson x 14

Allied aircraft losses
A-29 Hudson: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x A-29 Hudson bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 1st USMC Parachute Battalion, at 59,32 (Darjeeling)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 26
G4M1 Betty x 33

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x G3M3 Nell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
33 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Chihkiang (78,50)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 34997 troops, 454 guns, 1060 vehicles, Assault Value = 1267

Defending force 42880 troops, 184 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1219

Japanese adjusted assault: 1470

Allied adjusted defense: 1846

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1283 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 80 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 8 disabled
Vehicles lost 49 (3 destroyed, 46 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2005 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 224 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 18 (1 destroyed, 17 disabled)

Assaulting units:
8th Ind Engineer Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
6th Division
9th Tank Regiment
19th Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
17th Tank Regiment
40th Division
3rd Tank Regiment
18th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Army
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
25th Chinese Corps
46th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
4th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps

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If you ask me, the Bella Bella info is the important one here. Send the KB right away!!

There are a couple allied units which spawn there. It's possible radio traffic picks up when they arrive.

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I wish. I love how units spawn at a base with zero supply. No quick deal to get them.

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How are your Indian tank brigades filling out? You should be getting a fair supply of new tanks. Still, it is slow until the year turns. I wonder if it makes more sense to fully fill out the tank brigades one at a time or to slowly fill all three in portions. Don't know which is more useful for the Allies. The tank brigades compared to Japanese units have good infantry and support, so even with only 50 tanks apiece they might be very useful. The big thing is when you start to get your 43 squads. Then Japanese tanks become virtually useless. I think if the Japanese player is still fighting for open ground in India by the turn of the year that he is courting disaster.

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How are your Indian tank brigades filling out? You should be getting a fair supply of new tanks. Still, it is slow until the year turns. I wonder if it makes more sense to fully fill out the tank brigades one at a time or to slowly fill all three in portions. Don't know which is more useful for the Allies. The tank brigades compared to Japanese units have good infantry and support, so even with only 50 tanks apiece they might be very useful. The big thing is when you start to get your 43 squads. Then Japanese tanks become virtually useless. I think if the Japanese player is still fighting for open ground in India by the turn of the year that he is courting disaster.

I have one regiment nearly full of Lee tanks, only 1-2 to add. The Brigades are only about half full, but as you say, well supported and still decent units at this point although incomplete. I'm actually almost forced to use them right now, which I'll get to in a minute. I've also brought a few US tanks to India and those are going to be well used too.

I think I've run out of Stuarts in all pools and have like 250-300 Matildas I can't use. Seems really weird that these can't still be retro-added to a unit if the player wants to use the pools. Oh, well.

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Oct 10 - 11, 1942

SUBS: Two subs that were supposed to be delivering supplies to Rekata kept going there. guess the captains didn't get the message it was a Japanese base and was mined. now they are in the hex, and although ordered o move out, are simply sitting there due to the mines. Each turn there is a message that TF 443 encounters mine field at Rekata Bay (113,134). No booms so far, so it's kind of funny. I guess the mines will degrade eventually!

INDIA: After multiple sweeps head over the IJA troops our Chinese SB-3 groups hit an HQ wandering around out here on the rail between Patna and Darjeeling. It's pretty obvious Nick was putting these fragments of units out here intentionally, and it's a great move. Hats off. This means that it's likely the para-drop at Darjeeling will ultimately fail due to not being able o rail anything in. Sucks, but that's the way it's looking. About 250 bombers concentrate on the base and keep working the small amount of troops I was able to fly in. Where are those Chindits when I need them!?!

Our main bombing runs do very little to the 55th division and company out in the clear one hex from Patna. Looks like DBB really did fix the bombing stuff, which is great. Some disruption and a few squads hit should be possible to weaken the troops. Our initial stack is heading in but now it looks like additional troops from Ranchi are moving forward. Two divisions at least. I'm sending out two more Indian divisions from Benares.

The idea here was to get Nick to commit and then reveal a much larger force moving out from the shadows in the distance. The first part seems to be working, now I need to get the reinforcements out before the idea backfires completely if his move in first.

One thing I've noticed since playing the Allied side that I think is really strange; as Japan any unit moving after being in strat mode doesn't have to get completely unpacked before starting to move. The Allied units do have to get unpacked, and stay at 0 movement until fully in move mode. I'd neglected this, but it does seem like his units are filling out of Patna and Ranchi more quickly than I would have thought based on the fact that there were virtually no troops in either base several turns ago. It always takes at least 2-3 days to get a division ready yo move, but this one coming out of Ranchi seems to have moved more quickly than that. Anyone else notice this?

tried an extreme high level attack on Ranchi field on the 12th but Nick moved in fighters to the damaged field and we lose 15 4E anyway. Luckily they get about the same number of fighters in the process.

CENT PAC: The mini-KB comes out to Nauru again. Subs chase again. We'll see what happens. Looks like either troops in or out. I'm no going that way anyhow, so it doesn't matter to me.

SO PAC: Loaded up a division. I'll keep everyone updated if I'm actually going to land it. Just saw that Tulagi is empty now, so might not need so much, but it's prepped, so ...

Maybe I'll send in only two of the APs and see what happens.

CHINA: Chikhiang is struggling, but I've got a few more decent units to send in. Maybe he'll run out of fresh tank units soon? At least the bombarding and aerial bombing has stopped near Kweiyang. More forts building. The air force in being!

SIGINT: Interesting things happening here. Some units being taken out, some brought in.

1/2nd Tank Regiment is loaded on xAK Yuri Maru at Perth (49,147).
32/56th Division is located at Perth(49,147).
24/Imperial Guards Division is loaded on a Japanese TK moving to Port Hedland.

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Morning Air attack on 2nd Area Army, at 56,32 , near Patna

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
SB-III x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x SB-III bombing from 2000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 55th Division, at 53,30 , near Patna

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 34
Hurricane IIc Trop x 13
Wellington Ic x 15
B-25C Mitchell x 20
B-26 Marauder x 31
B-26B Marauder x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington Ic: 10 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 4 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Wellington Ic bombing from 14000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 55th Division, at 53,30 , near Patna

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 34
Hurricane IIc Trop x 13
Wellington Ic x 15
B-25C Mitchell x 20
B-26 Marauder x 31
B-26B Marauder x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington Ic: 10 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 4 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Wellington Ic bombing from 14000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 21st Army, at 53,30 , near Patna

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 2
Hurricane IIb Trop x 12
Wellington Ic x 6
B-26 Marauder x 29

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington Ic: 5 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Wellington Ic bombing from 14000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 14000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 14000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 14000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 51st Air Defense AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 12th Air Defense AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 55th Division ...
Also attacking 24th Ind Engineer Regiment ...
Also attacking 29th Ind Engineer Regiment ...

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Afternoon Air attack on Ranchi , at 52,32

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 32,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 20
A6M5 Zero x 20
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 15
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 15

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed, 15 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 28500 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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I have been thinking it's a good thing to fight in the clear against the Japanese in India. I'm now wondering if I've bitten off more than our still filling out units can chew. Lots of reinforcements not eh way, so it'll at least be interesting. I do have to make sure I keep the river hex behind our main troops as the Japanese own the ones in front of Patna and Ranchi. Don't want any traps here.

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One thing I've noticed since playing the Allied side that I think is really strange; as Japan any unit moving after being in strat mode doesn't have to get completely unpacked before starting to move. The Allied units do have to get unpacked, and stay at 0 movement until fully in move mode. I'd neglected this, but it does seem like his units are filling out of Patna and Ranchi more quickly than I would have thought based on the fact that there were virtually no troops in either base several turns ago. It always takes at least 2-3 days to get a division ready yo move, but this one coming out of Ranchi seems to have moved more quickly than that. Anyone else notice this?

It was this way with Allies units as well. You could move them before they unpacked. However, I think that this was corrected in a recent beta for both sides, as I note that my American divisions can no longer move until unpacked. My last campaign was a stock scen 2 and they could do it in that game.

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How are your Indian tank brigades filling out? You should be getting a fair supply of new tanks. Still, it is slow until the year turns. I wonder if it makes more sense to fully fill out the tank brigades one at a time or to slowly fill all three in portions. Don't know which is more useful for the Allies. The tank brigades compared to Japanese units have good infantry and support, so even with only 50 tanks apiece they might be very useful. The big thing is when you start to get your 43 squads. Then Japanese tanks become virtually useless. I think if the Japanese player is still fighting for open ground in India by the turn of the year that he is courting disaster.

I have one regiment nearly full of Lee tanks, only 1-2 to add. The Brigades are only about half full, but as you say, well supported and still decent units at this point although incomplete. I'm actually almost forced to use them right now, which I'll get to in a minute. I've also brought a few US tanks to India and those are going to be well used too.

I think I've run out of Stuarts in all pools and have like 250-300 Matildas I can't use. Seems really weird that these can't still be retro-added to a unit if the player wants to use the pools. Oh, well.

Yes the replacement rate for the American M3 is very poor. I actually am disbanding a unit (sending it home from Oz) so I can have some replacements for my units in India. Most are down to about 30 tanks. It is only the Australian units that have sufficient armor replacement. I kept half of mine as matildas and put the Lee/Grants in half but there are plenty of Lee/Grants that I am thinking of chucking the matildas. Oz is now a quite front for me as he took Northern Oz and then stopped. So I have my American tank units garrisoning OZ and moved a lot of my Australian units to India for the real fight because they can replace losses. No matter the front, Oz or India, both are great tank country and the Allied tanks rule. I try to mass in one theater or the other depending on the fight.

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One thing I've noticed since playing the Allied side that I think is really strange; as Japan any unit moving after being in strat mode doesn't have to get completely unpacked before starting to move. The Allied units do have to get unpacked, and stay at 0 movement until fully in move mode. I'd neglected this, but it does seem like his units are filling out of Patna and Ranchi more quickly than I would have thought based on the fact that there were virtually no troops in either base several turns ago. It always takes at least 2-3 days to get a division ready yo move, but this one coming out of Ranchi seems to have moved more quickly than that. Anyone else notice this?

It was this way with Allies units as well. You could move them before they unpacked. However, I think that this was corrected in a recent beta for both sides, as I note that my American divisions can no longer move until unpacked. My last campaign was a stock scen 2 and they could do it in that game.

Great. Good to know. Now though I'm wondering about my recon!

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How are your Indian tank brigades filling out? You should be getting a fair supply of new tanks. Still, it is slow until the year turns. I wonder if it makes more sense to fully fill out the tank brigades one at a time or to slowly fill all three in portions. Don't know which is more useful for the Allies. The tank brigades compared to Japanese units have good infantry and support, so even with only 50 tanks apiece they might be very useful. The big thing is when you start to get your 43 squads. Then Japanese tanks become virtually useless. I think if the Japanese player is still fighting for open ground in India by the turn of the year that he is courting disaster.

I have one regiment nearly full of Lee tanks, only 1-2 to add. The Brigades are only about half full, but as you say, well supported and still decent units at this point although incomplete. I'm actually almost forced to use them right now, which I'll get to in a minute. I've also brought a few US tanks to India and those are going to be well used too.

I think I've run out of Stuarts in all pools and have like 250-300 Matildas I can't use. Seems really weird that these can't still be retro-added to a unit if the player wants to use the pools. Oh, well.

Yes the replacement rate for the American M3 is very poor. I actually am disbanding a unit (sending it home from Oz) so I can have some replacements for my units in India. Most are down to about 30 tanks. It is only the Australian units that have sufficient armor replacement. I kept half of mine as matildas and put the Lee/Grants in half but there are plenty of Lee/Grants that I am thinking of chucking the matildas. Oz is now a quite front for me as he took Northern Oz and then stopped. So I have my American tank units garrisoning OZ and moved a lot of my Australian units to India for the real fight because they can replace losses. No matter the front, Oz or India, both are great tank country and the Allied tanks rule. I try to mass in one theater or the other depending on the fight.

Everybody now (to the tune of Waltzing Matilda) ...

"Dumping Matildas! Dumping Matildas! You'll be dumping Matildas for Lees!"

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Oct 12 - 14, 1942

Interesting coincidence. The game passed over the 'real' date on October 14th, my birthday!

Luckily no disasters that turn. Sorry for the massive update. Just trying to catch up here.

SUBS: The KIX finds a pretty good SCTF near Ceylon on the 14th but doesn't hit with two TT. The Yugumo is the target. I only put this class of DD with my best SAGs for Japan, and usually those follow the KB around. I need to be careful about raids and potential landings behind my lines in India. Bombay is pretty protected, but not invulnerable with all of the other stuff happening around Patna/Ranchi.

INDIA: On the 12th the Japanese paras took back Darjeeling after horrendous bombing. Not being able to rail anything in doomed this move. Well played by Nick.

On the 13th I made the call to go for Patna in spite of my better judgement. It probably was the wrong call in hindsight but if the conditions had been different (weather and settings) maybe it could have worked. The Japanese had 180 fighters in the base, and we sent ALL HB/MB with massive LR CAP and escorts. Strangely the fighters for the Allies were almost untouched, and the HB went through mostly alright, but the MB were decimated. There were severe storms over the base too, so the hits were reduced, and we failed to put enough damage on to get near closing the base.

On the day the score was 182 - 84 lost in Japan's favor. Not great. The good part is that I was still able to defend the skies with the largely untouched fighters, and that helped on the flowing day. My ability to hit troops with the MB will be lessened for a god while though. In DBB though, it's already much less potent, and I find not as necessary because this is true for the Japanese as well.

The 14th was a good day in India, just barely!

The skies above the troops at 52,30 were filled with sweepers, LR CAP and bombers for both sides. Each took a few nicks out of the armies in the hex between Benares, Ranchi and Patna, but nothing serious, and the air battles ended about up about even, with losses around 40 for both sides.

Nick had brought in THREE divisions up from Ranchi, when our recon had only seen numbers that would account for two, and he shocked at the first opportunity. Wow! It could have been bad and trapped our army of 60k men one hex beyond. It ended up in a 1:1 with some tough losses to the AFVs on the Allied side, but over 400 infantry squads disabled for the Japanese!

With another division heading in tomorrow, he doesn't look interested in staying around to heal up and try again. I'll try to get my next Indian division in and then try a DA to see how we do in the clear against moving troops, if he doesn't get out in time.

SO PAC: Another PB gets lucky at Rekata Bay and sweeps a mine with her prow. Ahh, the sweet sound of waves lapping and steel breaking.

Nick puts some Rufes at Lunga and our B-17Es cut right through them to lay a few strings across the base.

On the 14h the I-168 spots one of our SAGs heading into Tulagi at the staging point in Kirakira. The jig's up! We'll see how Nick reacts. I'm banking this all on the SIGINT and sub hit on Kaga that would still put the KB out of range for a strike here, but there is no telling if it's the entire fleet in the IO or just a segment. The Wasp and CVE Long Island (embedded in the amphib TF) will supply air support. Three SAGs, 2 x 2 CL/4DD and 1 x 3CA/4DD will hold the fort. Tulagi is unoccupied, so this is just about getting troops on the island and getting out fast. I'll worry about supply and engineers later.

CHINA: One DA on the 12th does serious damage at Chinkhiang. Our planes are healed up again and fly over Chikhiang, sniping some Oscars and bombers this time. Nice! They Japanese DA again on the 13th and the defenders get a 1:2 but with lots of disablements, and one fort level reduction. This base is holding by a thread, but the IJA still hasn't gotten a 2:1 here and there is still 1 fort level remaining.

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Ground combat at Chihkiang (78,50)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 34674 troops, 454 guns, 1056 vehicles, Assault Value = 1242

Defending force 49749 troops, 188 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1370

Japanese adjusted assault: 1024

Allied adjusted defense: 1423

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
867 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 47 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 67 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Vehicles lost 122 (23 destroyed, 99 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2132 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 177 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled

Assaulting units:
23rd Tank Regiment
19th Tank Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
6th Division
13th Tank Regiment
40th Division
15th Tank Regiment
18th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
8th Ind Engineer Regiment
17th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
13th Army
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
25th Chinese Corps
46th Chinese Corps
68th Chinese Corps
4th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps

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Ground combat at Darjeeling (59,32)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1766 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 61

Defending force 1460 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17

Japanese adjusted assault: 39

Allied adjusted defense: 4

Japanese assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Darjeeling !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 3 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
79 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
800 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 30 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Assaulting units:
2nd Raiding Regiment
3rd Raiding Rgt /1

Defending units:
1st USMC Parachute Battalion
3rd US Naval Const Bn /1
51st Base Group /1

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 13, 42
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ASW attack near Koggala at 28,50

Japanese Ships
DD Yugumo
CA Mikuma
CL Yubari
CL Tatsuta
DD Shiranui
DD Mochizuki
DD Mikazuki
DD Satsuki
DD Uzuki

Allied Ships
SS KIX

SS KIX launches 2 torpedoes at DD Yugumo
DD Satsuki attacking submerged sub ....
DD Uzuki fails to find sub and abandons search
Escort abandons search for sub

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TF 49 encounters mine field at Rekata Bay (113,134)

Japanese Ships
DMS W-22
DMS W-9
PB Keijo Maru, Mine hits 1

22 mines cleared

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Morning Air attack on Lunga , at 114,138

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 16

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 68th Chinese Corps, at 78,50 (Chihkiang)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 41
G4M1 Betty x 11
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 1
P-38F Lightning x 6
F4F-3 Wildcat x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Patna , at 54,30

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 12
A6M5 Zero x 90
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 42
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42

Allied aircraft
P-66 Vanguard x 11
SB-III x 12
Blenheim IV x 22
Hurricane IIb Trop x 22
Hurricane IIc Trop x 49
Liberator II x 10
Wellington Ic x 6
A-29 Hudson x 16
B-18A Bolo x 12
B-17E Fortress x 33
B-17F Fortress x 9
B-24D Liberator x 13
B-25C Mitchell x 19
B-26 Marauder x 6
B-26B Marauder x 20
P-38E Lightning x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 10
P-40E Warhawk x 61
F4F-3A Wildcat x 5
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB-III: 2 damaged
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
Liberator II: 1 damaged
Wellington Ic: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
A-29 Hudson: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 4 destroyed, 13 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 39

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x SB-III bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Patna , at 54,30

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 11
A6M5 Zero x 78
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 38
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 38

Allied aircraft
A-29A Hudson x 12
P-43A-1 Lancer x 2
SB-III x 9
Beaufighter VIc x 7
Hudson IIIa x 3
Hurricane IIb Trop x 16
Hurricane IIc Trop x 13
Wellington Ic x 4
A-20A1 Havoc x 8
B-17E Fortress x 16
B-17F Fortress x 12
B-24D Liberator x 3
B-26 Marauder x 16
P-38E Lightning x 1
P-400 Airacobra x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 24
F4F-3A Wildcat x 18
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
A-29A Hudson: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged
SB-III: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Wellington Ic: 2 destroyed
A-20A1 Havoc: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed, 9 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 2 destroyed
B-26 Marauder: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x A-29A Hudson bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Chihkiang (78,50)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 34029 troops, 454 guns, 1053 vehicles, Assault Value = 1176

Defending force 44185 troops, 190 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1210

Japanese adjusted assault: 1056

Allied adjusted defense: 1237

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
770 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 54 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 38 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 11 disabled
Vehicles lost 58 (2 destroyed, 56 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1858 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 169 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 14, 42
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Sub attack near Kirakira at 116,141

Japanese Ships
SS I-168

Allied Ships
DD McCall
CA Canberra
CA Chicago
CL Nashville
CL Phoenix
DD Ralph Talbot
DD Mugford
DD Woodworth
DD Aaron Ward
DD Stuart
DD Tucker
DD Cassin

SS I-168 launches 4 torpedoes at DD McCall
DD Stuart fails to find sub and abandons search
DD McCall fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Ground combat at 52,30 (near Ranchi)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 26023 troops, 239 guns, 46 vehicles, Assault Value = 1273

Defending force 20944 troops, 272 guns, 879 vehicles, Assault Value = 857

Japanese adjusted assault: 606

Allied adjusted defense: 498

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2567 casualties reported
Squads: 21 destroyed, 405 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 45 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 31 disabled
Guns lost 24 (2 destroyed, 22 disabled)
Vehicles lost 15 (3 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
740 casualties reported
Squads: 41 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 47 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 29 (9 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 86 (7 destroyed, 79 disabled)

Assaulting units:
8th Division
36th Division
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
33rd Division
2nd Mortar Battalion
22nd Ind.AA Gun Co
23rd Fld AA Gun Co
2nd Air Defense AA Regiment
2nd Army
36th Field AA Battalion

Defending units:
50th Tank Brigade
73rd Motorised Brigade
267th Armoured Brigade
255th Armoured Brigade
75th IAC Regiment
26th Indian Division
94th Coast AA Regiment
1st USMC AA Battalion

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The MBs now are just too fragile for big raids like this.

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