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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/11/2015 11:44:36 PM

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April 4 - 6, 1943

INDIA: The paradrops land and the Allies are back on Ceylon! We also picked up Male with about 30 Jakes there, so that was obviously unexpected. He'll probably have to buy that group back. Got a few more planes at Trincomalee, including some mystery A to A combat with Tojos. It must have been there, but in another version of the replay that I didn't watch. Either way, I'll take it.

Now supply and troops, including a Brit brigade and two US ind. regiments are being air-lifted to Ceylon.

Patna turns over to us and at last the NE area looks accessible. Troops from Madras are railing over.

CENT PAC: Some more Navy 4Es are heading in, and I'll keep trying to wear things down here without really using too much stuff.

SW PAC: A strange thing happened at Portland Roads. Three xAKL landed a small fragment unit there, and a turn later it disappeared due to attrition. Huh. No bombardments happened so he still doesn't really know what i have there, which is just one small armor unit and some base forces.

CHINA: Some troops in the center are holding well, and the mountains are slowly crumbling.

OZ: The first Perth DA goes well and tomorrow the base should fall.

SIGINT: Troops from madras heading to Burma. no surprise there. Anti-aircraft moving to Sabang along with the 18th division.

148/6th Guards Division is loaded on a Gozan Cargo class xAK moving to Rangoon.
16/21st Air Defense AA Regiment is loaded on a Yusen N class AK moving to Sabang.
1/18th Division is loaded on a Horai Maru class xAP moving to Sabang.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR April 4, 43
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Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 4
Hurricane IIc Trop x 10
Kittyhawk I x 7
B-25C Mitchell x 27
B-25D1 Mitchell x 15
B-26 Marauder x 6
P-39D Airacobra x 25
P-40K Warhawk x 96
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 14
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 47

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 4
B-26B Marauder x 10
P-40K Warhawk x 48

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 1 destroyed on ground
J1N1-S Irving: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-26B Marauder bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Trincomalee , at 31,47

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 4
Hurricane IIc Trop x 10
Kittyhawk I x 6
B-25C Mitchell x 12
P-40K Warhawk x 56

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Pre-Invasion action off Portland Roads (91,132) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

34 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAKL Nichiryo Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
xAKL Totai Maru
xAKL Bichu Maru

3rd RAN Base Force firing at xAKL Nichiryo Maru
xAKL Nichiryo Maru fired at enemy troops
xAKL Totai Maru fired at enemy troops
xAKL Bichu Maru fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR April 5, 43
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Ground combat at North Male (20,45)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 378 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 19

Defending force 148 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 8

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE North Male !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 12 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
195 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
2/7 Commando Bn /1

Defending units:
33rd JAAF AF Coy

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Ground combat at Koggala (29,50)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 465 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 6

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Koggala !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Parachute Bn /1

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Ground combat at Jaffna (31,45)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 239 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 20

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 20 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Jaffna !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
50th Indian Para Bde /1

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Japanese Unit(s) Wiped Out at Portland Roads by attrition!!!

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR April 6, 43
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Night Air attack on Calcutta , at 52,37

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 23

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 7

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-25C Mitchell laying Mk 13 Mine from 7000 feet

CAP engaged:
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (6 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes

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Ground combat at 78,49 (near Chihkiang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 38546 troops, 440 guns, 674 vehicles, Assault Value = 1295

Defending force 42490 troops, 135 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1215

Japanese adjusted assault: 957

Allied adjusted defense: 559

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1505 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 356 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled

Allied ground losses:
744 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 94 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Tank Division
60th Division
69th Division
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
12th Army
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
20th Chinese Corps
68th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
74th Chinese Corps

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Ground combat at Perth (49,147)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2304 troops, 0 guns, 424 vehicles, Assault Value = 518

Defending force 7486 troops, 37 guns, 216 vehicles, Assault Value = 92

Allied adjusted assault: 116

Japanese adjusted defense: 45

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1053 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 68 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 27 (2 destroyed, 25 disabled)

Assaulting units:
640th Tank Destroyer Battalion
2/8th Armoured Regiment
2/6th Armoured Regiment
2/10th Armoured Regiment
2/4th Armoured Regiment
192nd Tank Battalion
2/5th Armoured Regiment
2/9th Armoured Regiment
641st Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
Otago (Mtd) Rifles Regiment

Defending units:
32nd Nav Gsn Unit
4th Div /20
10th JAAF Base Force
4th Air Division
1st JAAF Base Force
16th JNAF AF Unit
22nd Port Unit
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Bn /2
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The Japanese will have had Perth for less than a year.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/12/2015 3:15:09 AM

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I have seen the evaporating troops phenomenon several times. It seems to happen when the amphib TF uses up almost all of its Op points before arriving so it can only land a tiny fragment, which is not enough to create a squad or two. The funny thing is, when the rest of the TF unloads the following turn, the missing troops seem to find their way back into the ranks as there are no losses to TOE beyond those suffered from surf and perf(oration) by defensive fire.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/12/2015 7:03:03 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I have seen the evaporating troops phenomenon several times. It seems to happen when the amphib TF uses up almost all of its Op points before arriving so it can only land a tiny fragment, which is not enough to create a squad or two. The funny thing is, when the rest of the TF unloads the following turn, the missing troops seem to find their way back into the ranks as there are no losses to TOE beyond those suffered from surf and perf(oration) by defensive fire.

In this case the three xAKL dropped some troops, but they TOTALLY evaporated and no more were landed.

What kind of an op was this?

A mistake? Meant to go somehow to Horn Island and got off track? Not likely.

A scout for a larger force coming soon? Possibly, but what will this accomplish? The base has a level 4 field but is far from anything useful to hit.

Faulty recon, showing less here than there actually is in base? That seems possible, as the armor unit will show up as vehicles, but infantry might not be 'seen' at all, giving the impression the base is undefended and vulnerable.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/12/2015 4:31:10 PM

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April 7 - 9, 1943

SUBS: The Gato runs into a TK and misses with two fish, and E Shirataka can't put a hit on it. This initiates an offensive deep into the supply lines of the Empire. No subs working the DEI have DL from air ASW yet.

INDIA: About 45-50 bombers were set to mine Calcutta and Diamond Harbor on the night of the 7th. Most of them didn't make it, but a few did. Still no major effect that I can see, but it at least makes things slow down in the area.

A nearly clear day over Ceylon means Trincomalee finally got a plastering, with over 200 hits on the fields on the 7th.

At Jaffna around 150AV is present and some supply is building. It'll be a week before I can move out to Dambulla with this force, and something may happen at Colombo before that. I need to get search installed at Koggola before anything critical happens.

Two CA give Colombo a good shot, but troop damage is light, so I'm guessing there are some decent forts here.

CENT PAC: Two Navy 4E groups hit Mili for the first time. I'll try to close the fields here and work on supply. Nauru is finally looking short as AA has stopped. He could have also put units on rest, but they would really suffer in bombardments if that is the case. Nearly ready to continue the assault here after months of sitting around.

SO PAC: Georges again have their way with CAP in the Solomon Sea region. About 6 Wildcats lost.

CHINA: The Japanese quickly take the hex near Chikhiang after several attacks wipe the remnants of the Chinese supply. Heavy losses for the retreating units. They'll move to the deep West and aim for Urumchi and Kashgar is possible. It'll take 3-4 monte to get there.

OZ: Perth is Allied again! The units there all retreat which is nice. I'll pin them in whatever hex they want to end up in, preferably inland, as they are trying to move now. Once the fighting units Banzai themselves out, the rest will very slowly wither. This will at least keep some of these units, including the 4th Division (fragment), the 4th Air Division and two big IJAAF base forces from being bought out and reused. Since the division fragment is here the rest of that unit can't upgrade either, which is nice. Air Divisions are precious though for the Japanese, and if I can keep this out of play fr a while that is a big plus.

SIGINT: The 4th Guards Division was lately of Calcutta. Is this a general pullout? Are they moving from Cox's to Ramree, maybe beyond? May not know until later.

I had also wondered if Diego would be abandoned, but if so, not yet, or not everything. This is a big valuable base force there.

11th Special Base Force is located at Diego Garcia(11,62). - 6th

1/4th Guards Division is loaded on xAK Kyokusei Maru at Cox's Bazar (54,43). - 7th
21/4th Guards Division is loaded on xAK Gotake Maru at Cox's Bazar (54,43).
15/4th Guards Division is loaded on xAK Hokutatsu Maru at Cox's Bazar (54,43).
46/4th Guards Division is loaded on xAK Tihuku Maru at Cox's Bazar (54,43).

35/4th Guards Division is loaded on xAK Syunko Maru at Ramree Island (54,48). - 8 th
10/4th Guards Division is loaded on xAK Jinshu Maru at Ramree Island (54,48).
40/4th Guards Division is loaded on xAK Hoeisan Maru at Ramree Island (54,48).
32/4th Guards Division is loaded on xAK Tamaki Maru at Ramree Island (54,48).

11/3rd Air Army is loaded on a Yusen S class AK moving to Rangoon.
6/3rd Air Army is loaded on a Yusen N class AK moving to Rangoon.
12/48th Field AA Battalion is loaded on a Japanese AK moving to Rangoon.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR April 6, 43
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Night Air attack on Diamond Harbour , at 52,38

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-29A Hudson x 5
Wellington GR.VIII x 12

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Wellington GR.VIII laying Mk 13 Mine from 6000 feet
5 x A-29A Hudson laying Mk 13 Mine from 7000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Deboyne Islands , at 103,135

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 44

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 17

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
39 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 25000 feet *

CAP engaged:
VMF-441 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 9 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Cocanada at 42,39

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 14

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
LB-119, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
LB-124, Shell hits 2, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
LB-120, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
LB-114, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
LB-116, Shell hits 4, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Buffalo I bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 100 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 78,49 (near Chihkiang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 35947 troops, 440 guns, 674 vehicles, Assault Value = 1014

Defending force 41651 troops, 130 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1131

Japanese adjusted assault: 586

Allied adjusted defense: 361

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
755 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 173 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
871 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 102 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

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Ground combat at 68,47 (near Kunming)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7885 troops, 207 guns, 555 vehicles, Assault Value = 327

Defending force 29118 troops, 196 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 414

Japanese adjusted assault: 74

Allied adjusted defense: 790

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 10

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
784 casualties reported
Squads: 42 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 20 (2 destroyed, 18 disabled)

Assaulting units:
18th Tank Regiment
Guards Tank Division
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
23rd Army
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
10th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
62nd Chinese Corps
34th Chinese Corps
95th Chinese Corps
10th Construction Regiment
102nd RAF Base Force
5th Group Army
56th AT Gun Regiment
Lusu War Area
33rd Base Group
11th Group Army
49th Chinese Corps
9th Group Army
16th Chinese Base Force

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Ground combat at Perth (49,147)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4593 troops, 48 guns, 673 vehicles, Assault Value = 505

Defending force 6808 troops, 37 guns, 216 vehicles, Assault Value = 30

Allied adjusted assault: 188

Japanese adjusted defense: 43

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Perth !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2006 casualties reported
Squads: 73 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 243 destroyed, 34 disabled
Engineers: 26 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 21 (21 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 186 (164 destroyed, 22 disabled)
Units retreated 8

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
640th Tank Destroyer Battalion
2/6th Armoured Regiment
641st Towed Tank Destroyer Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
2/5th Armoured Regiment
2/8th Armoured Regiment
2/9th Armoured Regiment
2/10th Armoured Regiment
2/4th Armoured Regiment
Otago (Mtd) Rifles Regiment

Defending units:
32nd Nav Gsn Unit
10th JAAF Base Force
4th Air Division
1st JAAF Base Force
16th JNAF AF Unit
4th Div /20
22nd Port Unit
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Bn /2

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR April 7, 43
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TF 404 encounters mine field at Colombo (29,48) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

11 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DMS Trevor
DMS Southard, Shell hits 1
DMS Elliot

DMS Trevor firing at 3rd Provisional Base Force
3rd Provisional Base Force firing at DMS Trevor

43 mines cleared

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Night Naval bombardment of Colombo at 29,48

Allied Ships
CA Frobisher
CA Hawkins
DD Norman
DD Nizam
DD Napier
DD Nestor

Japanese ground losses:
93 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Manpower hits 2
Fires 75
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 31
Port hits 4

CA Frobisher firing at Colombo

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Ground combat at 78,49 (near Chihkiang)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 34600 troops, 440 guns, 674 vehicles, Assault Value = 875

Defending force 40644 troops, 129 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1036

Japanese adjusted assault: 695

Allied adjusted defense: 265

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1764 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 148 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled

Allied ground losses:
7695 casualties reported
Squads: 210 destroyed, 72 disabled
Non Combat: 317 destroyed, 46 disabled
Engineers: 12 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (8 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
3rd Tank Division
60th Division
69th Division
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
12th Army
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
68th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
20th Chinese Corps
74th Chinese Corps

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR April 8, 43
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Jaffna at 31,44

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 16

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
LB-129, Shell hits 1, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
LB-131, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
LB-132, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
LB-130, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x P-39D Airacobra bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Ground combat at 68,47 (near Kunming)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 14674 troops, 245 guns, 554 vehicles, Assault Value = 542

Defending force 27832 troops, 184 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 346

Japanese adjusted assault: 153

Allied adjusted defense: 259

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
466 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1604 casualties reported
Squads: 61 destroyed, 67 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 19 (11 destroyed, 8 disabled)

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Ground combat at 49,148 (near Perth)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 2282 troops, 16 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 25

Defending force 1221 troops, 0 guns, 184 vehicles, Assault Value = 112

Japanese adjusted assault: 0

Allied adjusted defense: 97

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 99

Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
279 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th Div /20
22nd Port Unit
4th Air Division
32nd Nav Gsn Unit
16th JNAF AF Unit
10th JAAF Base Force /1
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Bn /2
1st JAAF Base Force /1

Defending units:
2/9th Armoured Regiment
Otago (Mtd) Rifles Regiment
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Ground combat at 75,48 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 21681 troops, 299 guns, 44 vehicles, Assault Value = 973

Defending force 44994 troops, 170 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1301

Japanese adjusted assault: 0

Allied adjusted defense: 1651

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 99

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1965 casualties reported
Squads: 91 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Guns lost 18 (1 destroyed, 17 disabled)

Assaulting units:
51st Division
1st Tank Division
40th/A Division
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
10th Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
25th Chinese Corps
35th Chinese Corps
7th Chinese Corps
76th Chinese Corps
12th Construction Regiment

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Nice to find a use for Buffalos! These guys weren't at all trained for low naval, and still sank all of the barges they could reach.

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Well, you are getting him out of India and Perth. There is something to be said for him delaying you and he has done a pretty good job of tying you up. However, I am not sure that it has gotten him much. Once you run him out of India, the Allies are pretty much where they would be in mid 43 anyways. They (Allies) really cannot start major offensive operations until the mid 43 reinforcement come on board anyways. He has burned a lot of supply and helped you train up your Indian army for when the counter offensive starts. This plus the position you hold in the Pacific make me wonder if it was worth the effort. China is a mess but vs any competent Japanese player China is going to be a mess.

It has always been my contention that no matter where the action is, the only real goal for the Allies in 1942 is to "not" lose their carriers. If they do that, then Japan has a problem come 1944.

Would you be so kind as to list yours and GJ's ship losses to date? Warships that is.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/12/2015 5:09:29 PM

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Actually, that's a pretty good point - since Obvert has done an excellent job moving things around in the Pacific, he's got some good bases to move from, once the Fleet carriers really start coming online.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/12/2015 5:29:54 PM

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Well, you are getting him out of India and Perth. There is something to be said for him delaying you and he has done a pretty good job of tying you up. However, I am not sure that it has gotten him much. Once you run him out of India, the Allies are pretty much where they would be in mid 43 anyways. They (Allies) really cannot start major offensive operations until the mid 43 reinforcement come on board anyways. He has burned a lot of supply and helped you train up your Indian army for when the counter offensive starts. This plus the position you hold in the Pacific make me wonder if it was worth the effort. China is a mess but vs any competent Japanese player China is going to be a mess.

It has always been my contention that no matter where the action is, the only real goal for the Allies in 1942 is to "not" lose their carriers. If they do that, then Japan has a problem come 1944.

Would you be so kind as to list yours and GJ's ship losses to date? Warships that is.

I agree. At first I was mad I didn't get to the divisions at Madras and Ceylon to trap or really wear them down. After some reflection I realized that a retreat achieved simply through air strength is ideal and means I didn't have to dig a further hole in my commonwealth pools. Due to the loss of industry at Calcutta the India trip could be costly to the Japanese. There was still enough to support some operations made there at Madras and Jamshedpur, but probably not enough, and the oil at Ledo is basically less than what he could have had at Sian and Lanchow if he'd used some of those troops up there.

Nick has played the whole thing really well, but bad luck and hopefully some of the pressure I've been trying to put on his forces has at least taken a toll of supplies.

If I can get to Ledo sometime soon I'll feel a lot better about the whole thing.

Ship lists coming up.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/12/2015 5:45:15 PM

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Allied Ship Losses

A few big battles in the early stages around the DEI cost me a lot of older CL and I used the USN forces aggressively during the early stages, maybe not so judiciously.

As it is the old DDs are scarce now, but I probably won't miss the old CLs much. I've had a hard time figuring out what to do with the ones I have left.

Soon the Allies will be awash in waves of DDs and other escorts, so these losses won't be felt for long. The only thing I'm kicking myself for is the loss of Cornwall recently, just due to a mistake, but it taught me that not all CA are equal. The treaty classes everywhere suffered from poor armor and other compromises. Losing the ship to 5 x 100kg bombs was hard to take, still.

In 14 months I count 27 DDs lost.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/12/2015 5:50:08 PM

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The Japanese have lost few ships, as we've both been fairly conservative with the navies after the beginning stages.

It's good to have those two CA off the board early. I haven't hit a lot of DDs yet, though.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/12/2015 6:04:41 PM

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Losing the ship to 5 x 100kg bombs was hard to take, still.

Take heart:

Those were not just any 100 kg bombs, but SAP ones.

Less effect, but roughly 50% greater penetration than a stock gp bomb.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/12/2015 7:19:42 PM

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Nice to find a use for Buffalos! These guys weren't at all trained for low naval, and still sank all of the barges they could reach.

Fighters when set to naval attack mission at 1000 ft or lower will always go to 100ft and will strafe target, so probably they use strafe skill not low naval.

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Nice to find a use for Buffalos! These guys weren't at all trained for low naval, and still sank all of the barges they could reach.

Fighters when set to naval attack mission at 1000 ft or lower will always go to 100ft and will strafe target, so probably they use strafe skill not low naval.

True, but if they are set at 1000 feet and carrying bombs, they will also drop the bombs, which probably uses the LowNav skill in the calculations.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/12/2015 7:26:18 PM

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AFAIK Low Nav/Grd is what is used when bombs are dropped, and Strafe skill only applies to use of guns. I think a developer answered this a while back but I don't have a reference.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/12/2015 8:47:04 PM

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AFAIK Low Nav/Grd is what is used when bombs are dropped, and Strafe skill only applies to use of guns. I think a developer answered this a while back but I don't have a reference.

I have been using B-25D1's at 100 ft on naval attack to great effect. I have not trained them in Naval or Low Naval, only Strafe. They hit stuff. Sank a couple of DDs recently.

However, I have noticed when using my IJAAF fighters against Bullwinkle in China that, at 100 ft, I am increasing both the Strafe and LowG skills on my guys. I will check my B-25D1 pilots in this upcoming turn, in just a few minutes.

EDIT: Yep, all my guys have "white" LowNav skills. I used them on Naval at 100 ft. This is just one data point and it's entirely possible that they all failed "level up" rolls from attacking the ships, but that would surprise me given that many are "orange" in GrdB, and I had them do one day of Airfield attack recently from a normal altitude. Strafe is all "white" also, but then their Strafe skills are all 70+ so that's not surprising.

Maybe it's different because they're attack bombers?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/12/2015 9:03:48 PM

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Keep in mind that Experience always counts for something, as do leader stats. Not surprising they can hit something with little of the specific skill - at only 100 ft and with 6x bombs as there is no reduction for Attack Bombers at low altitude.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/13/2015 12:48:26 PM

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Nick is really busy at work so the game is on hold for a bit after some rapid fire turns over the weekend. It's kind of good break for me. It's been going fast lately and I can use some time to plan the next steps.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/13/2015 1:14:33 PM

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The big question I see is how many Americans and Australians do you keep in India?? If you move them out, I would go to Cape Town and then to Australia rather than run down the western map edge. Lots of new objectives to be prepping for.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/13/2015 1:41:05 PM

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The big question I see is how many Americans and Australians do you keep in India?? If you move them out, I would go to Cape Town and then to Australia rather than run down the western map edge. Lots of new objectives to be prepping for.

This is the difficulty. Planning prep for units.

I'm saving to buy out divisions now and more free ones will appear this year as well, including a new Indian division soon at 70 exp. I have many split and prepping for smaller targets in the Pacific and that will end once those objectives are accomplished, then the staggered planning for the bigger future objectives can begin. There are a lot of places where I might be able to go around big fortifications though, and that's something that I'd like to plan for but can't really depend on until I get just a touch closer to Rabaul, Umboi Island, Kusaei, etc.

I'll keep a few US units in the CBI area. There is still a lot to potentially fight for and I won't know how much until I move a bit closer to NE India. I can't yet relax there. It's easy to think of those units remaining useful in the area though if I want to make an amphibious landing anywhere in the IO.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/13/2015 2:55:39 PM

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It's easy to think of those units remaining useful in the area though if I want to make an amphibious landing anywhere in the IO.

Do you have any grand strategy as in attacking Japan's economic engines (oil,fuel,supply)? A major thrust at Sumatra for example, once Ceylon is yours.

Or will you continue to advance by taking the low hanging fruit and being opportunistic letting the grand strategy evolve?

I think you are in great shape, and you have weathered a very aggressive opening very well.

Can't wait to see how it all develops. Play faster!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/13/2015 3:45:10 PM

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It's easy to think of those units remaining useful in the area though if I want to make an amphibious landing anywhere in the IO.

Do you have any grand strategy as in attacking Japan's economic engines (oil,fuel,supply)? A major thrust at Sumatra for example, once Ceylon is yours.

Or will you continue to advance by taking the low hanging fruit and being opportunistic letting the grand strategy evolve?

I think you are in great shape, and you have weathered a very aggressive opening very well. Can't wait to see how it all develops. Play faster!

Ha! We're trying! Stupid things like work keep getting in the way!

Nick did just send a turn, which was great timing as my day finished here.

This will be an assessment period as I learn from SIGINT and scouting where some of his forces have gone, figure out what options I like the most and continue the slow and careful approach in SW Pac/So Pac/Cent Pac. Those will move no matter what, but usually with periodic surges and building phases. Right now I'm building the bases around Milne Bay and Shortlands, and once those are functional, I have some Hellcats to combat the Georges, and if nothing else changes, I'll have some bigger moves happening along the two paths.

I have grand strategy ideas, but they don't involve anything rigid that I'm completely committed to doing. I do know where I felt vulnerable playing Japan, and that will help. I do plan to try a lot of deception as the Allied forces grow to hopefully be able to try multiple things that could work depending on the reactions.

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Keep in mind that Experience always counts for something, as do leader stats. Not surprising they can hit something with little of the specific skill - at only 100 ft and with 6x bombs as there is no reduction for Attack Bombers at low altitude.

Interesting info witpqs - is there a developers reference or manual entry that specifies what the reductions are for various altitudes?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/13/2015 8:33:44 PM

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Keep in mind that Experience always counts for something, as do leader stats. Not surprising they can hit something with little of the specific skill - at only 100 ft and with 6x bombs as there is no reduction for Attack Bombers at low altitude.

Interesting info witpqs - is there a developers reference or manual entry that specifies what the reductions are for various altitudes?

Not that I know of. AFAIK when a non-Attack Bomber goes to 'low' altitude its bomb load is cut in half. I think that means below 5,000 ft for 2EB and maybe the same for 4EB, but others should chime in with what they know.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/13/2015 8:57:16 PM

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Keep in mind that Experience always counts for something, as do leader stats. Not surprising they can hit something with little of the specific skill - at only 100 ft and with 6x bombs as there is no reduction for Attack Bombers at low altitude.

Interesting info witpqs - is there a developers reference or manual entry that specifies what the reductions are for various altitudes?

Not that I know of. AFAIK when a non-Attack Bomber goes to 'low' altitude its bomb load is cut in half. I think that means below 5,000 ft for 2EB and maybe the same for 4EB, but others should chime in with what they know.

I thought it was below 6000 for any type but attack bombers and fighters/fighter bombers.

Alfred will likely have the definitive answer.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/13/2015 9:27:49 PM

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Keep in mind that Experience always counts for something, as do leader stats. Not surprising they can hit something with little of the specific skill - at only 100 ft and with 6x bombs as there is no reduction for Attack Bombers at low altitude.

Interesting info witpqs - is there a developers reference or manual entry that specifies what the reductions are for various altitudes?

Not that I know of. AFAIK when a non-Attack Bomber goes to 'low' altitude its bomb load is cut in half. I think that means below 5,000 ft for 2EB and maybe the same for 4EB, but others should chime in with what they know.

Oh-oh: Apples & oranges. I thought the reduction you referred to was in the calculation of hits where altitude is a factor, not bombload reduction.
I know when I set P-40Es to bomb Low Nav or Low Grd with a 500 lb bomb, there is no reduction of bomb size.

I will look in the War Room FAQ post to see if bombload is covered there.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/13/2015 10:09:12 PM

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Keep in mind that Experience always counts for something, as do leader stats. Not surprising they can hit something with little of the specific skill - at only 100 ft and with 6x bombs as there is no reduction for Attack Bombers at low altitude.

Interesting info witpqs - is there a developers reference or manual entry that specifies what the reductions are for various altitudes?

Not that I know of. AFAIK when a non-Attack Bomber goes to 'low' altitude its bomb load is cut in half. I think that means below 5,000 ft for 2EB and maybe the same for 4EB, but others should chime in with what they know.

Oh-oh: Apples & oranges. I thought the reduction you referred to was in the calculation of hits where altitude is a factor, not bombload reduction.
I know when I set P-40Es to bomb Low Nav or Low Grd with a 500 lb bomb, there is no reduction of bomb size.

I will look in the War Room FAQ post to see if bombload is covered there.

About that I have absolutely no idea. I only know it's a factor.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/13/2015 10:44:31 PM

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Found the info on bomb loads and skill effects in the War Room FAQs for Newbies: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2260137

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7.2.1.10 IMPACT OF ORDANCE ON AIR MISSIONS:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2582278

Bomb Loadout
Replacement load for torpedo is usually:
Allied - 1 or 2 x 500lb bombs
Japanese - 1 x 800kg,
or 1 or 2 x 250kg for non-LBA
or 1 or 2 x 250kg and 2 or 4 x 60kg for LBA

The settings are for normal range and over normal respectively.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2466161

A Land Based Aircraft which is not classed as an attack-bomber and flies a low level mission will fly with half the usual bomb load.

This was to help stop every LBA from becoming a low-level ship killer.
Only the LBAs classed as attack-bombers get to fly with the 'full' load appropriate to the range.

Allied attack bombers:

A-20G, A-20A1, A-26B

B-25D1, B-25G, B-25H, B-25J11

PBJ-1H

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2556647

Attack Bombers
- Set Altitude <6,000 (low Level)
- Altitude >6,000 Treated as Normal LB
- Altitude <6,000 increased accuracy vs TF
- Altitude <6,000 & Ground / Naval Attack will Increase Strafe Skill
- No Way to Train Strafe Skill
- Naval Targets - Will attack in Pairs
- Ground Targets � Will attack in two pairs
- Will Bomb Target at 100� then Strafe at 100�
- Strafing Will Suppress Flak, Strafe Skill >70 will increase suppression

Non-Attack Bombers
- Altitude <1,000 gain higher Fatigue from Flak
- Altitude <6,000 reduced accuracy if low morale / high fatigue
- Altitude <7,000 reduced accuracy vs TF
- No Min Exp / Skill to execute Low Level type attack.

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I can tell you from flying my bombers at 2000 feet that the threshold for non-ABs having reduced bombload is the "low naval" or "low ground" threshold, which is 1000.

100 = strafing. May also use LowG skill, have seen no evidence of it using LowN but someone would have to test.

1000 = low naval/low ground. Reduced bombload except for attack bombers.

2000+ = regular ground, regular naval. Regular bomb load.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/14/2015 5:38:21 AM

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I can tell you from flying my bombers at 2000 feet that the threshold for non-ABs having reduced bombload is the "low naval" or "low ground" threshold, which is 1000.

100 = strafing. May also use LowG skill, have seen no evidence of it using LowN but someone would have to test.

1000 = low naval/low ground. Reduced bombload except for attack bombers.

2000+ = regular ground, regular naval. Regular bomb load.

+1

Have the same experience
Look at ground bombing i have last turn. 2000ft and full 4x250kg and 3x250kg bomb load
What i am experiencing is faster morale reduction and fatigue is building much faster.
And of course going against allied flak(outside china) is suicide

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
24 x Ki-67-Ia Peggy bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 3 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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I can tell you from flying my bombers at 2000 feet that the threshold for non-ABs having reduced bombload is the "low naval" or "low ground" threshold, which is 1000.

100 = strafing. May also use LowG skill, have seen no evidence of it using LowN but someone would have to test.

1000 = low naval/low ground. Reduced bombload except for attack bombers.

2000+ = regular ground, regular naval. Regular bomb load.

That corresponds with my experience with training. You can'tg get gains in LowNav or LowGrnd unless set at 1000 feet.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/14/2015 11:59:28 AM

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I can tell you from flying my bombers at 2000 feet that the threshold for non-ABs having reduced bombload is the "low naval" or "low ground" threshold, which is 1000.

100 = strafing. May also use LowG skill, have seen no evidence of it using LowN but someone would have to test.

1000 = low naval/low ground. Reduced bombload except for attack bombers.

2000+ = regular ground, regular naval. Regular bomb load.

That corresponds with my experience with training. You can'tg get gains in LowNav or LowGrnd unless set at 1000 feet.

I've had gains in "on the job" training for Low Ground with fighters set to Ground Attack at 100 feet - they strafe, but they also drop bombs, and this apparently improves their LowG skill and not always their Strafe skill. I have noticed no such increase in Low Nav when attacking shipping, but the opportunities to do so are so far in between that it's hard to test during an actual game.

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