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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/24/2015 1:52:11 PM

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I am not sure that your 2BB force would have fared any better against the IJN forces arrayed against you. It is getting late, and Japan most likely won't have many more days like that. It is frustrating when the engine does things you don't expect, but I firmly believe that is what makes the game so neat as the unpredictable can happen.

They were not slow BBs, they were the Alabama and North Carolina. So I think they would have done quite well based on tests I've made. USN fast BBs tend to clean up, but of course I could be wrong.

To beat IJN BBs it's helpful to have multiple TFs get in there, but I hadn't expected two BB TFs. I think had it been just the one that he'd used before, and ours had all shown up, it could have gone very differently. Luck of the draw and great play to continually mix things up on Nick's part. I've often said it's not what you do but how you can deceive your opponent that will benefit you the most and he wins this one.

It's all made me realize it's time the USN CVs get into things. I'll pick my spot, but they will make an appearance somewhere in the near future now that Hellcats are on board and the Essex is in the fold. He's been keeping forces on a limb for a while, and it's time I go for the limb.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/24/2015 2:01:06 PM

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They were not slow BBs,

I thought they were. That would have been fun to watch, pity it didn't happen.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/24/2015 2:01:19 PM

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Just bad luck on the surface combat. I think you did the right thing but it just did not work out. Only thing I note is that moonlight is 85% which allows the heavier Japanese force to engage at a greater range thus giving them some advantage (but not much). Mid 43 is a crap shoot for the Allies as some of their ships are pre 43 arrivals and still have crappy night experience unless they have plenty of prior combat but still I would have done the same thing as you did and expected better results. Usually BBs are not much of a factor in a night fight vs smaller ships and I am willing to trade a CL or two if I can kill a bunch of Japanese DDs in exchange. Problem is that your torpedoes still have a 60% dud rate until late 43. And at longer range they are going to shoot off and miss anyways.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/24/2015 3:08:03 PM

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Just bad luck on the surface combat. I think you did the right thing but it just did not work out. Only thing I note is that moonlight is 85% which allows the heavier Japanese force to engage at a greater range thus giving them some advantage (but not much). Mid 43 is a crap shoot for the Allies as some of their ships are pre 43 arrivals and still have crappy night experience unless they have plenty of prior combat but still I would have done the same thing as you did and expected better results. Usually BBs are not much of a factor in a night fight vs smaller ships and I am willing to trade a CL or two if I can kill a bunch of Japanese DDs in exchange. Problem is that your torpedoes still have a 60% dud rate until late 43. And at longer range they are going to shoot off and miss anyways.

I would have thought the same thing, but these were very close battles. Down to 2k yards. The two main engagements started at 5k and 7k and then went closer.

I've experienced it on the other side, and know that all will change, so I just have to be creative for the time being. Soon I'll have sufficient air groups to challenge his CAP over Torokina, and that will make it harder to post these big TFs so far forward too.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/24/2015 5:26:33 PM

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June 22 - 23, 1943

SUBS: It's about time to reorganize subs again. I need to send some clusters forward into the open ocean. I've tried isolated patrols and contacts are there but I need more frequent engagements away from ASW air. I do know there are holes in the coverage now at least.

INDIA: Getting Chittagong built and sending more base forces forward up into the hills following the Japanese retreat. Still having trouble getting supply to Ledo, Jorhat and Dimapur due to the monsoon. Moving the India Command to Ledo and I'll stop building the airfields at level 7 for now.

CENT PAC: Maleoplap gets crushed daily as the Japanese naval forces move back to the shadows and the USN amphibs head to Tabiteuaea to prepare for the Wotje invasion. The US regiment is at 28 AV on Maleolap, so it'll be a while before it gets back into shape, but I'll drop supply to ensure the squads are able to recover more easily. Sending LSTs with the PC Charleston, the pocket-cruiser.

SO PAC: Almost pulled the trigger on sending similar forces back in the very next day to Torokina, and if I had they would have likely had a good result against one cruiser TF there on the 22nd. Oh, well. Should have gone with intuition. There really isn't a hurry here though, as I know this is not the game breaking area, and current movement in SW Pac is actually going well thanks to this diversion in the islands. One more Corsair group is almost ready to roll too.

CHINA: Nick sneaks two divisions into the 76, 47 hex to try and close down the road away from Chungking one hex onward. The timing was impeccable, just between movements, and he pushes the two smaller Corps there out. I should be able to get enough in from both sides to keep this road open for at least another few weeks which is vital to get zombies moving through and keep Chungking under the limits. After that I can probably let it be closed, but it would be better if it wasn't and if he had to fight hard to do it. If I can get Chungking supply up sufficiently getting supply here would mean he'd have a lot of trouble kicking troops out a second time.

I've been preparing some Indian troops to help at Chungking for the future. I have a few brigades with 43 squads, low stacking limits and AT guns prepping for Chungking at Ledo. I also might fly in some of the otherwise useless mountain gun units as with level 6 forts even the crap Chinese guns are doing well, so I think these would take minimal supply and do some good work. It'll be a few weeks before any of them head over since the main priority is supply and keeping the road open for now.

OZ: Getting fields built for the eventual move into West Oz. Geraldton is nearing completion but the two closer bases in the desert need another month or so to get ready. Troops are prepping for IO destinations as well as those on West Oz.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 22, 43
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Ground combat at 76,47 (near Chungking)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 28559 troops, 237 guns, 56 vehicles, Assault Value = 882

Defending force 22448 troops, 55 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 220

Japanese adjusted assault: 828

Allied adjusted defense: 238

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
174 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
7893 casualties reported
Squads: 215 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 309 destroyed, 60 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (10 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
40th Division
15th Division

Defending units:
49th Chinese Corps
1st New Chinese Corps
Y' Force
Central Reserve

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A look at the big picture. Some obvious directions I'm heading right now.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/24/2015 5:52:31 PM

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How effective is the Japanese presence in the Indian Ocean at preventing your supplies from Cape Town from reaching their destinations? I imagine that Betties stationed there could interdict anything entering the Indian Ocean from off-map, and prevent oil from Abadan from making its way to Australia. Has this been an issue for you, and if so, what alternative routes did you use to ensure that you didn't lose cargo ships?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/24/2015 8:04:14 PM

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How effective is the Japanese presence in the Indian Ocean at preventing your supplies from Cape Town from reaching their destinations? I imagine that Betties stationed there could interdict anything entering the Indian Ocean from off-map, and prevent oil from Abadan from making its way to Australia. Has this been an issue for you, and if so, what alternative routes did you use to ensure that you didn't lose cargo ships?

There really aren't any problems as the routes have always gone far from Diego Garcia and Addu. They only enter the map even with Bombay even now, and previously everything went to Karachi. He did use the KB and got a few ships over as far as Karachi early, but not in a long time. On the Pacific side as well all routes go quite far south to avoid any unexpected interlopers. I lost a few ships on the Cape Town to OZ route even as far South as it is now, but after Perth fell again I started using it with a few scouts to warn of action.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/24/2015 11:43:31 PM

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Tough die roll. What did you lose? 3 good Cruisers and some yard time for the others? Have the Baltimore Class CA's started to show up yet?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/25/2015 2:52:18 AM

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Thanks for the insight! To ensure your TFs are entering the map in the right hex, do you assign a waypoint at the point you want to exit the off-map zone?

Where is most of the fuel for Australia coming from, the West Coast?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/25/2015 6:05:36 AM

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Tough die roll. What did you lose? 3 good Cruisers and some yard time for the others? Have the Baltimore Class CA's started to show up yet?

Yeah, two CL and one old CA. A few weeks after losing one CL for 2 CA, so if I see it in that perspective it's not quite as bad I guess.

I do have I think two of the Baltimores?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/25/2015 6:14:26 AM

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Thanks for the insight! To ensure your TFs are entering the map in the right hex, do you assign a waypoint at the point you want to exit the off-map zone?

Where is most of the fuel for Australia coming from, the West Coast?

Yes, you can use a waypoint, but the TFs do come out much where shown on the map without having to do that. The waypoint is useful as Nick also knows where they should enter and has used subs in those locations.

For a while all of the fuel to OZ was from the West Coast. Now I have a few shipments again from Cape Town.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/25/2015 8:41:14 AM

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Tough die roll. What did you lose? 3 good Cruisers and some yard time for the others? Have the Baltimore Class CA's started to show up yet?

Yeah, two CL and one old CA. A few weeks after losing one CL for 2 CA, so if I see it in that perspective it's not quite as bad I guess.

I do have I think two of the Baltimores?

The Baltimore's are pretty good CA's. the ones you have now are good, bust mostly "treaty" cruisers and a bit smaller than the Japanese treaty violators (looking at you Mogami). Point is you will get good replacement CA's and he will not. Also, you can soon inflict Nick with a plague of Fletcher's. Heck, once torpedoes work fully you can just send TF's of Fletchers and they will be competative with his big stuff

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/25/2015 10:13:05 AM

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June 24 - 25, 1943

SUBS: An RO sub takes out the two injured LSTs near Maleolap.

INDIA: A DA near Imphal goes again to the Japanese. Even with Marines here I can't get a good attack, but the Japanese are wearing out. Their AV should be down to 680 or so after this. That is if I can trust the CR. I was alarmed when I saw the Allied side at first and saw so many vehicles lost and disabled. Looking through the units only one TD unit actually lost any vehicles at all!!

That one had 10-15 tanks destroyed, 12 disabled and some motorized support destroyed and disabled. No other tank unit had a tank destroyed!

So we could go in another few days. Waiting for another unit of fresh Stuarts to arrive and the TD unit to move out.

This confirms my belief that the CR is untrustworthy. It also means I can't trust the losses I'm seeing on the other side. I have to check and then see the AV in the next bombardment to really know what happened. Luckily in China I'm definitely seeing a drop in combat ability from the tank divisions.

Another development, which is scary, was a sweep by 4 x 42 Frank Ia groups over Imphal!!!

CENT PAC: The supply mission goes in to Maleolap but I might lose an LST or two to CD gun fire.

SO PAC: The stand-off continues. I sent in two PT TFs to Torokina and got the fight to start at 4k, which was a positive. Couldn't put a hit on the old BB though and lost two PTs. I'll keep trying this as the moon is going down right now. I also sent two subs in which hit mines and one was lost.

In the background I'm upgrading to P-38H and getting the P-38G units filled out. I should have two P-38G and one P-38H in SWPac/SoPac soon, plus two Hellcat groups, two Corsair groups and about four each of the Aussie Spit 5c and Kitty III units which are still competitive. All of that will be aimed at Torokina in about a week followed up by 50 4Es and 50 2Es plus a bunch of SBD and other assorted bombers. My goal now is to get enough AS into forward bases. Shortlands has none but will get at least a bit in the next few days.

CHINA: The troops at 76,46 hold again with big losses for the Japanese. This even before I move my best division (61 exp and the best Chinese leader available) into the hex. These units show some movement back for the first time in months, and he definitely needs a refresh, since the four tank divisions + are sitting below 1k AV now, around half strength.

The move into 76, 47 worked and his DA supported by air strikes got a 1:1 but with major disablements, and I think with the units I have moving in it should hold once more. We should be good here for a few days now and I'll try to get another unit through with full supply. They don't build forts without supply in the unit (which makes me wonder if forts in the field are really free of supply costs) and of course can't fight at much reduced strength when low.

Chungking supply is increasing, and we should be able to get it up considerably if the current situation holds. The development of Franks being operational means it will be harder to hold Chungking airspace, but My first P-47D2 group made it Aden and is shipping out to Karachi immediately.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 24, 43
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Invasion Support action off Maloelap (136,117)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

9 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LST-30, Shell hits 1, on fire
PG Charleston
LST-32, Shell hits 1
LST-338, heavy damage

12cm 3YT CD Gun Battery engaging LST-30 at 4,000 yards
12cm/45 T10 DP Battery engaging LST-32 at 4,000 yards
PG Charleston fired at enemy troops

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ASW attack near Buna at 100,128

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-34, hits 2, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SC-646
LST-472
LST-463
LCM 592E
PC Haida

SSX Ha-34 launches 2 torpedoes at SC-646
Ha-34 diving deep ....

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Ground combat at 59,41 (near Imphal)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20690 troops, 294 guns, 1086 vehicles, Assault Value = 920

Defending force 32138 troops, 403 guns, 206 vehicles, Assault Value = 768

Allied adjusted assault: 605

Japanese adjusted defense: 4444

Allied assault odds: 1 to 7

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1019 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 93 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 57 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 65 (9 destroyed, 56 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
682 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 54 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 82 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 11 (6 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 155 (45 destroyed, 110 disabled)

Assaulting units:
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
150th RAC Regiment
194th Tank Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
754th Tank Battalion
3rd Marine Division
50th Tank Brigade
183rd Field Artillery Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion
6th Medium Regiment
2/1st Med Regiment
1st West African AA Regiment

Defending units:
33rd Division
55th Division
1st Art.Mortar Regiment
2nd RF Gun Battalion
2nd Ind.AA Gun Co
31st Ind.AA Gun Co
2nd Area Army
54th Field AA Battalion
1st RF Gun Battalion
6th Air Defense AA Regiment
36th Field AA Battalion
41st Air Defense AA Battalion
12th Ind. AA Battalion

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 25, 43
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Torokina at 109,130, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro
DD Nenohi
DD Inazuma
DD Amagiri
DD Akebono
DD Sazanami
DD Ushio
DD Kosugiri

Allied Ships
PT-190, Shell hits 1
PT-196
PT-219, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT-220
PT-221
PT-222, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 46% moonlight: 5,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 4,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 4,000 yards
DD Ushio engages PT-221 at 4,000 yards

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Morning Air attack on Imphal , at 60,40

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 42

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
42 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 25000 feet

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Here are the CRs from China since the sync bug doesn't let me see the correct version in my own. Big disablements in both laces, but we of course don't know really how much.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/25/2015 11:35:42 AM

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Here are the CRs from China since the sync bug doesn't let me see the correct version in my own.

Since last sync bug in my game every time i am sending new turn to Docup i am attaching combatreport.txt. It will not remove bug from allied version but allow Docup to manually compare what he saw with what he should.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/25/2015 4:54:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: obvert
Here are the CRs from China since the sync bug doesn't let me see the correct version in my own.

Since last sync bug in my game every time i am sending new turn to Docup i am attaching combatreport.txt. It will not remove bug from allied version but allow Docup to manually compare what he saw with what he should.

We did that for a while but I think Nick just forgot and has been preoccupied with much more serious things. I'll ask him again though.

I found interestingly that sometimes when I run the turn a second time it plays without the sync bug. Also, there is the non-dated CR in the reports immediately after the turn, and that seems to have correct info if I remember to look at it and transfer to my other computer.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/25/2015 5:17:58 PM

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I just adjust down all values about 1/3 from the combat report. That gives you a pretty accurate figure of enemy losses. One of the quirks of the game is how Allied motorized support just gets clobbered. A tank brigade attacking will sometimes get stripped of its motorized support. As if they are leading the attack with trucks..

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/26/2015 4:20:53 PM

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June 26 - 27, 1943

Nearly July, when I'll start getting 56 P-47D2 a month!!!

SUBS: Pargo gets an xAK near Sarmi. Grayback gets a shot at Hiyo and the minor-KB, but can't connect with 6 fish!! Somebody got their torpedo data computer settings wrong I guess?

INDIA: Monsoon is really affecting supply movement. Even with India Command at Ledo it's an uphill climb. Similar problems at Jorhat and Dimapur.

CENT PAC: Got to Roi Namur with another decent shot from the CLs. I'll sweep with Hellcats tomorrow to see the status of things. More good hits on Maleolap. I could probably go again now but won't risk it with level 5 forts there.

SW PAC: Piling lots of combat engineers and Marines into Lae to walk to Finschafen. Once there I can drop supply by sea, but no sense landing where I don't have to and risking troops on ships. I have an entire Marine division prepped but I'll only use them in regiment until I see how much is there, plus the independent regiment that took Lae, two combat engineers and some arty and tanks. Have a command and an army HQ prepping too. He's got 25k there according to recon, so something substantial.

CHINA: Nick kicked me out of the 76, 47 hex. Sucks. But still have another unit moving in and might be able to do the same again. He's got to be low on supply and is definitely hurting with disablements now, so the second time could stick long enough to get two more smallish Corps through. They arrive during the next two turns which will send Chungking over by 4k for a day. Then it'll be under by almost 15k after the rest moves out. I'll then be able to fly in Indian arty and some small incomplete brigades with 43 Indian squads and a few AT guns. None of it will mater unless I hold the air, so P-47s are on the way!

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 26, 43
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Sub attack near Kavieng at 109,116

Japanese Ships
CV Hiyo
CL Ninaru
DD Suresushio
DD Yunagi
DD Asanagi
DD Harukaze
DD Satsuki
DD Niizuki
DD Yamanagiri
DD Tadeyame
DD Suruyame
DD Myojinami

Allied Ships
SS Grayback, hits 2

SS Grayback launches 6 torpedoes at CV Hiyo
DD Yamanagiri fails to find sub and abandons search

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 27, 43
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Night Naval bombardment of Roi-Namur at 132,114

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 19 damaged
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 2 destroyed on ground
A6M2-N Rufe: 23 damaged
A6M2-N Rufe: 2 destroyed on ground
B5N2 Kate: 25 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M8 Zero: 16 damaged
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
CL Trenton
CL Detroit
CL Richmond
DD Mugford
DD Helm
DD Bagley
DD Russell
DD Mustin
DD Hammann

Japanese ground losses:
307 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Airbase hits 14
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 18
Port hits 11
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 4

CL Trenton firing at Kure 5th SNLF
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for CL Detroit

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Love this view! Six fish and not a hit!!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/26/2015 7:46:27 PM

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Love this view! Six fish and not a hit!!

Yeah, but imagine the pucker factor

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/27/2015 12:09:53 AM

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Love this view! Six fish and not a hit!!

Yeah, but imagine the pucker factor

Anyway you could assign the commander to a **** that is entirely unsuitable and will certainly get him killed? Japanese Skipper would have done the right thing.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/27/2015 9:35:08 AM

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June 28 - 29, 1943

SUBS: Bowfin misses the Amato Maru on the 28th near Pagan. The Tambor then picks up the same TF closer to Truk and takes out another small TK. I'm just sending out another 12 subs to make a net around Truk in all directions out in the open water. This area has yielded good results and is a natural funnel for TFs of all kinds, so I'll flood it.

The PC Haida took out another midget sub near Lae. He's used a lot around there. Easy VPs.

INDIA: The DA near Imphal puts the Marines out of action for a while. The armor will continue after a rest. P-47s are pulled off the AKVs and sent forward in India. No drop tanks yet though, which means they'll be less useful than I thought right away, but could still go to Chungking if I want them there.

Had a recon look at Diego and he still has 10k and 5-6 units there. I had thought he would have pulled out by now, but these will most likely just rot there.

Nick brought the Franks out to play at Chittagong and swept the base. It looks like this was just a tester to see how they performed I was hoping he'd try to bomb the small TF in port unloading as there are now 6 strong AA units here!

The Franks got slightly better than 1:1 with the Kitty III and Hurri groups taking the brunt of the losses. Corsairs here held their own even though outnumbered. Lost few pilots and I'm sure the 9 listed Franks shot down had some good ones that didn't come back. While I know the Japanese will always have some good ones, I still think this is really important as it's happening in our territory and before really having the best Allied airframes in play. Once the P-47 and Spit VIII are present in numbers, plus more Corsairs, the pilot quality and exp differences could make a huge impact. I've just filled up the P47 units with pilots from P-40E and P-39D groups. All of them were 75+ exp, 70+ air, 70+ defense with at least one kill. Eight are 80+ golden boys already with the rest primed to get there after a few more combats. My aim is to keep each P-47 group filled with all goldens.

CENT PAC: Swept Roi-Namur with Hellcats that only got just better than a 1:1. He must have some good pilots in the A6M8 group that kept us busy there.

CHINA: He's still losing a bunch of vehicles and guns at Chungking every turn. This has to be restrictive at some point, but it makes me wonder if these numbers are relevant at all since it's been like this daily for about a three weeks now. He's only bombarding with the arty units obviously, and those have only 176 guns currently. They had 177 when this began on June 7, so unless all losses are from the divisions present and not the arty units (ever) these numbers are completely useless.

SIGINT: Now that I know more about his deception methods I'm sure Rabaul is not the actual destination, but there are enough subs in the area that we may still catch this TF.

22/74th Infantry Regiment is loaded on xAK China Maru moving to Rabaul.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 1, 43
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Morning Air attack on Roi-Namur , at 132,114

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 11
A6M8 Zero x 8
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 1 destroyed
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 25000 feet

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Sub attack near Pagan at 114,89

Japanese Ships
TK Amato Maru
SC Ch 43

Allied Ships
SS Bowfin

SS Bowfin launches 4 torpedoes at TK Amato Maru
Bowfin diving deep ....

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Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2444 troops, 176 guns, 143 vehicles, Assault Value = 2145

Defending force 142425 troops, 664 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3308

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 29, 43
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Sub attack near Truk at 110,103

Japanese Ships
TK Nishi Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PB Shinko Maru #2

Allied Ships
SS Tambor

SS Tambor launches 4 torpedoes at TK Nishi Maru
Tambor diving deep ....

Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84a Frank x 42

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 16
Kittyhawk III x 16
P-40K Warhawk x 25
F4U-1 Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Kittyhawk III: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 25000 feet

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Ground combat at 76,46 (near Chungking)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1512 troops, 83 guns, 178 vehicles, Assault Value = 1225

Defending force 44117 troops, 132 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1428

Allied ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th Tank Regiment
18th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
19th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Division
39th Division
Guards Tank Division
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
4th Chinese Corps
3rd Prov Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
25th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
20th Artillery Regiment
3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment
4th Heavy Mortar Regiment

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This is odd. Why is the blue line there and why can't I now move units between these hexes? I was able to and did move through after he took the hex at 76, 47. A day after that unit moved through another was not allowed to go this way and we have the blue line. Any thoughts?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/27/2015 2:05:51 PM

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According to the air transport rules as I understand them, I can transport light tanks to China by air! Valentines specifically, which I think are more a medium tank, should be able to be airlifted, which is odd. Has anyone done this?

At the very least I know I can send a bunch of arty and AT guns plus Indian 43 squads. It'd be nice to send my armor brigade with Valentines though!!!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/27/2015 3:00:59 PM

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So I have just learned that it's an oversight/typo in DBB. No tank flying. But I'll have to speak with Nick to make sure we know this exists on both sides. It would also be possible to fly some IJA medium tanks around.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/27/2015 3:56:21 PM

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This is odd. Why is the blue line there and why can't I now move units between these hexes? I was able to and did move through after he took the hex at 76, 47. A day after that unit moved through another was not allowed to go this way and we have the blue line. Any thoughts? [/color][/font]

IIRC when a unit is in a hex with an enemy unit it can only move across wholely owned hexsides. Looks like one of the hexsides on that boundary is owned by the Japanese

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/27/2015 4:14:34 PM

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This is odd. Why is the blue line there and why can't I now move units between these hexes? I was able to and did move through after he took the hex at 76, 47. A day after that unit moved through another was not allowed to go this way and we have the blue line. Any thoughts? [/color][/font]

IIRC when a unit is in a hex with an enemy unit it can only move across wholely owned hexsides. Looks like one of the hexsides on that boundary is owned by the Japanese

The only portion of the hex side that matters is the portion of the side facing the unit that is trying to move.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/27/2015 4:39:05 PM

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This is odd. Why is the blue line there and why can't I now move units between these hexes? I was able to and did move through after he took the hex at 76, 47. A day after that unit moved through another was not allowed to go this way and we have the blue line. Any thoughts? [/color][/font]

IIRC when a unit is in a hex with an enemy unit it can only move across wholely owned hexsides. Looks like one of the hexsides on that boundary is owned by the Japanese

Not true as a unit moved out of this hex 76, 46 to 76, 47 just the turn before this was taken. They have also moved out previously while the 76, 47 hex has been occupied by both sides. So that hex side should have changed to the Allies, but obviously it hasn't and it's blue! Why blue?

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The only portion of the hex side that matters is the portion of the side facing the unit that is trying to move.

Which is now blue!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/27/2015 5:01:29 PM

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Do you mean green?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/27/2015 5:36:52 PM

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Do you mean green?

Uh, no. I had to check though as I do have a mild form of red/green colorblindness.

I mean blue. The blue line here. why is it blue? What does that mean and why can't my units move through it when we did before, presumably opening the hex side from the Allied controlled 76, 46 to the IJ controlled 76, 47.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/27/2015 6:01:16 PM

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Blue means Ocean/Lake.

It's not blue in the stock map. Was it not blue before and now it is? If so that seems to be a bug/corruption. If it always was blue it might represent a DBB map move to make the river there bulge and become impassable. The river-line graphic doesn't vary in width. To get visible width you have to draw in a lake. There are some inland blue hexsides here and there for lakes on the stock map.

That's blue in the hexside detail hot-button. If it's hexside control beats me why it's blue.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/27/2015 6:05:30 PM

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I don't even think that scenario modifications can access the hex side color. That blue color is the same as when the F6 key is toggled to show hex side codes (white=ground and sea units pass, blue=only sea units, green=only ground units, red=neither), rather than the w key toggled to show hex side ownership.

How that hex side is blue in your pic I don't know.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/27/2015 6:07:41 PM

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In fact, in your pic notice how some hex sides have no color, some are red, some are green, and some are a green line against a read line. Those are the four possible hex side ownership possibilities (no ownership, Allied, Japanese, Allied one side + Japanese on the other side).

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