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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/21/2015 1:42:07 PM

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Here are the groups that didn't fly. One Wildcat group did fly an escort mission, but for a group originating elsewhere. One Dauntless group also flew from Vella LaVella but otherwise all of these were on the ground. So it wasn't weather, and I know they didn't have low aggression leaders. Too bad.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/21/2015 2:23:42 PM

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That's about 140 bombers that did not fly. Quite a bit indeed! Plus 45 or so fighters which might have put another dent in his CAP.

Concerning the points, I assume most of the Allied Army Loss Points are about the China theatre?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/21/2015 3:14:18 PM

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That's about 140 bombers that did not fly. Quite a bit indeed! Plus 45 or so fighters which might have put another dent in his CAP.

Concerning the points, I assume most of the Allied Army Loss Points are about the China theatre?

I'd actually wager that that was in India.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/21/2015 5:46:28 PM

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That's about 140 bombers that did not fly. Quite a bit indeed! Plus 45 or so fighters which might have put another dent in his CAP.

Concerning the points, I assume most of the Allied Army Loss Points are about the China theatre?

I'd actually wager that that was in India.

Well, the majority is most likely the DEI and PI, but then China and India. Oddly, the majority of the India troop losses were at Calcutta, which by no design of my own may have helped all industry be destroyed there, making that a big tactical loss but an overall strategic win for the Allied side.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/21/2015 5:52:02 PM

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A DA is set for the upcoming turn in Carnarvon, and it seems there is only one unit there that SIGINT shows to be a garrison fragment. In trying to keep West OZ it's nearly impossible to avoid the creep of overland campaigns, and Carnarvon is the most out on a limb base. Exmouth is not exactly easy for him either, but I think he's committed more there.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/21/2015 6:04:43 PM

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Here are some ship losses so far. I hope to get these more evened out soon!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/21/2015 6:10:36 PM

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Here are DD losses. At least not many modern Allied destroyers are on the bottom, and I've not yet really committed Fletchers to roam on their own. Looking forward to that!

Looking at this list he's shooting a pretty good percentage with the long lance so far.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/21/2015 6:29:16 PM

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This naval losses recap is useful. Though I did read recently the entire thread, it's hard to keep track of ship losses over 75 pages. I must say that the combat ships losses are lower than I remembered. For both players. And both of you managed to conserve your carrier forces.

Which in the long run should favor you more, as you keep getting more and more ships, and higher experience too, compared to japan. And though you lost a fair amount of cruisers, all those battleships you still have will be quite entertaining during bombardments

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/21/2015 7:16:23 PM

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I am saddened to see a week has gone by, I fear for Greyjoy's father. Best wishes and prayers out to him!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/21/2015 7:28:12 PM

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That's actually not a very bloody naval war so far. 1944 promises fireworks.

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That's about 140 bombers that did not fly. Quite a bit indeed! Plus 45 or so fighters which might have put another dent in his CAP.

Concerning the points, I assume most of the Allied Army Loss Points are about the China theatre?

I'd actually wager that that was in India.

Well, the majority is most likely the DEI and PI, but then China and India. Oddly, the majority of the India troop losses were at Calcutta, which by no design of my own may have helped all industry be destroyed there, making that a big tactical loss but an overall strategic win for the Allied side.

I'm not convinced that there's anything other than a random roll on the damage. Palembang was massively defended by Bullwinkle, including engineers, and I took it completely intact. I was just as careful with Magwe and if anything he had less there - it was completely destroyed. Same with Singapore. There just seems to be very little middle ground.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/21/2015 8:03:59 PM

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That's actually not a very bloody naval war so far. 1944 promises fireworks.

That's what I'm hoping for!

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That's about 140 bombers that did not fly. Quite a bit indeed! Plus 45 or so fighters which might have put another dent in his CAP.

Concerning the points, I assume most of the Allied Army Loss Points are about the China theatre?

I'd actually wager that that was in India.

Well, the majority is most likely the DEI and PI, but then China and India. Oddly, the majority of the India troop losses were at Calcutta, which by no design of my own may have helped all industry be destroyed there, making that a big tactical loss but an overall strategic win for the Allied side.

I'm not convinced that there's anything other than a random roll on the damage. Palembang was massively defended by Bullwinkle, including engineers, and I took it completely intact. I was just as careful with Magwe and if anything he had less there - it was completely destroyed. Same with Singapore. There just seems to be very little middle ground.

Exactly. I certainly wasn't intending to lose 850AV of troops there to break the industry!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/21/2015 9:18:10 PM

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I am saddened to see a week has gone by, I fear for Greyjoy's father. Best wishes and prayers out to him!

Yes. I let him know not to even worry about the game or communicating, but for a while he's been very communicative anyway about how things are going. He's an incredibly conscientious guy, and a true gentleman. His work has been incredibly busy too so he's getting it from both sides.

He's let me know it has been really good to have the game at times just to get his mind away a bit. Hope he's doing okay now.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/21/2015 9:25:18 PM

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This naval losses recap is useful. Though I did read recently the entire thread, it's hard to keep track of ship losses over 75 pages. I must say that the combat ships losses are lower than I remembered. For both players. And both of you managed to conserve your carrier forces.

Which in the long run should favor you more, as you keep getting more and more ships, and higher experience too, compared to japan. And though you lost a fair amount of cruisers, all those battleships you still have will be quite entertaining during bombardments !

The old Allied BBs, and especially the USN ones are more and more useful as the game continues. They're also huge AA platforms that can really take some hits for a CVE fleet especially. I've been lucky not to have any hit by subs so far, as I've used them quite a bit lately.

I'm still not happy about losing the Cornwall to a few 100kg bombs, and I wish I'd waited a bit with my USN modern CLs. They're better as they're surrounded with more Fletchers, and I tried to go against too much force there around Torokina.

This next turn could be a big one though depending on whether he retreats or leaves the fleet at Rabaul. It's likely the BBs will be in range either way unless he flanks them out exactly the right way towards Babeldaob. Or brings in the KB, which would be a completely different problem.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/22/2015 10:07:25 AM

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Should be an interesting few turns coming up - if he exposing the KB, at least you'll know where it is (and more importantly, where it isn't).

If he loses some BBs (or you even put them in the yard for extended periods) then it's a win for you as well.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/22/2015 10:44:32 AM

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Should be an interesting few turns coming up - if he exposing the KB, at least you'll know where it is (and more importantly, where it isn't).

If he loses some BBs (or you even put them in the yard for extended periods) then it's a win for you as well.

If the KB shows up I could be in trouble, but as I mentioned it's a well calculated risk. I've had no DL on the fleet CVs, I've reconned extensively any base in range and there were no hits for CVs or even large accumulations of other fleet elements.

I got some good intel from Nick himself, which can work to his advantage actually in telling me!

He mentioned over dinner that when I hit Kaga with two TT near Sumatra, he had been sitting them there in the dark, with no flights, in anticipate of a move in the IO. He could have them hang in around somewhere close but not flying planes, not moving for many days, and ready to pounce. I tried reconning some likely open ocean hexes, unoccupied dots and shallow areas especially to try and spot them, but no hits. So I do have to be wary!

My guess is that the KB is somewhere able to reach the Andamans and the Java area within a day or two, so maybe around Singers. I think for him So Pac is not so important, and he hasn't seen my CVs in a long while.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/23/2015 4:26:45 AM

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That's actually not a very bloody naval war so far. 1944 promises fireworks.

That's what I'm hoping for!

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ORIGINAL: Drakanel

That's about 140 bombers that did not fly. Quite a bit indeed! Plus 45 or so fighters which might have put another dent in his CAP.

Concerning the points, I assume most of the Allied Army Loss Points are about the China theatre?

I'd actually wager that that was in India.

Well, the majority is most likely the DEI and PI, but then China and India. Oddly, the majority of the India troop losses were at Calcutta, which by no design of my own may have helped all industry be destroyed there, making that a big tactical loss but an overall strategic win for the Allied side.

I'm not convinced that there's anything other than a random roll on the damage. Palembang was massively defended by Bullwinkle, including engineers, and I took it completely intact. I was just as careful with Magwe and if anything he had less there - it was completely destroyed. Same with Singapore. There just seems to be very little middle ground.

Exactly. I certainly wasn't intending to lose 850AV of troops there to break the industry!

If I recall it was GJ's own surface bombardments that did most of the damage to the industry before taking Calcutta

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/23/2015 9:57:25 AM

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Looking at those losses makes me think GJ is in big trouble. He has inflicted nowhere near the losses on the USN he needs to have any hope in 44. Couple that with (what I consider) poor choices in India and China...

I predict -44 will be a very happy year for the allies.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/23/2015 10:43:10 AM

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If I recall it was GJ's own surface bombardments that did most of the damage to the industry before taking Calcutta

I just looked back but couldn't find a screenie of Calcutta. I did notice there were naval bombardments, but only a few, and they wouldn't have knocked it all out. I remember it being a shock to both of us that the industry was completely wiped, and he was despondent about the entire India venture in his messages after this.

He did play against rader who had developed a system of using the extra industry of China and India to fuel a seemingly endless stream of airframes. Although I can only guess, I imagine Nick wanted to use his knowledge of both sides of the board to see if he could also fuel a stronger Japanese economy by using these areas for extra supply/HI production. This could make it easier to do a number of things like accelerating ships, building huge pools of vehicles and armaments, having big supply stores, and having flexibility to build large amounts of key airframes or change to ramp up late game production of the best airframes.

To have the industry wiped to 0 would have been a shock for any of us. I've never seen this anywhere else during a violent transfer of ownership to be honest, not from such a large center of production.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 4/23/2015 10:45:13 AM

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Looking at those losses makes me think GJ is in big trouble. He has inflicted nowhere near the losses on the USN he needs to have any hope in 44. Couple that with (what I consider) poor choices in India and China...

I predict -44 will be a very happy year for the allies.

After the early naval confrontations went mostly to the IJN I felt it was prudent to play a bit of 'smallball' and not put large assets at risk for a while. Hopefully this sets me up well for 44, as I feel I've still been able to make gains during late 42 into 43 without losing much at all. The stage feels set, but now the main act must begin. We'll see if everyone knows their lines soon!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/20/2015 3:03:52 PM

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Just hopping in to ask... any news from your opponent? I understand it's a hard time for him. It's just that, speaking as a fan of this AAR, I do hope it eventually resumes....

I might just read your other AAr in the meanwhile XD

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/20/2015 6:27:31 PM

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Just hopping in to ask... any news from your opponent? I understand it's a hard time for him. It's just that, speaking as a fan of this AAR, I do hope it eventually resumes....

I might just read your other AAr in the meanwhile XD

We exchanged emails recently and there is no timeline for continuing. Nick was positive about coming back at some point, but his family situation makes that impossible for a while.

I expect this will continue and that he'll want some distraction and 'normalcy' at some point. That may still be a ways off though.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/21/2015 9:54:45 PM

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Just hopping in to ask... any news from your opponent? I understand it's a hard time for him. It's just that, speaking as a fan of this AAR, I do hope it eventually resumes....

I might just read your other AAr in the meanwhile XD

We exchanged emails recently and there is no timeline for continuing. Nick was positive about coming back at some point, but his family situation makes that impossible for a while.

I expect this will continue and that he'll want some distraction and 'normalcy' at some point. That may still be a ways off though.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 1/19/2016 1:51:31 PM

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What a great AAR!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/19/2016 10:09:48 AM

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What a great AAR!

Wow. I was surprised having not been on the forum for some months to find this on page two. Thanks.

I miss this game and the AAR. And Nick. Our struggles in game and exchanges (and meetings) were a good part of my days over the past few years.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/19/2016 10:47:53 AM

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Whats up with your other game?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/19/2016 11:01:41 AM

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Whats up with your other game?

Funny you mention it. I just corresponded with Torsten for a few minutes. He'd taken some time out to deal with other life matters and I just asked if he'd like to continue to to pass the game on to an interested party. I'm just curious about it based on it's odd and tragic beginning for Japan (and me). Is it still playable into 45? Can Japan defend without KB dominance?

He said he'd take a look through and get to me within the next couple of weeks. I proposed about 4-5 turns a week. If he couldn't do it he would be willing to pass it on to someone else.

Also, we might actually meet up in London and do some museums (IWM, Duxford and stuff) here for a few days in the summer. So good to get back in touch at least.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/19/2016 11:20:54 AM

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Hope you guys get going again. Very interesting to see if you can avoid AV. Most likely not though.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/19/2016 11:33:37 AM

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Hope you guys get going again. Very interesting to see if you can avoid AV. Most likely not though.

I played a test campaign H to H over the summer and into the autumn. Just sporadically and without delving into the minutia of all theatres. The goal was to see if the Allied could come back from a 1:2 deficit (about 20 points short of Japanese AV) during 45. Like a worst case scenario of the Allies.

I didn't pull punches for the KB and friends, but I also didn't use the Japanese air forces fully to strike Allied landings, etc. The idea was that in this way the Japanese avoid the 500-1,000 aiframe loss days (and massive loss of VPs), conserve pilots, and even more importantly don't give the Allies 40 kill aces.

The Japanese did hold pretty well for a while until Allied 4Es got going and the B-29s wiped the industry. But that took some time and well into May the Japanese were still up considerably. After a combined China and Hokkaido invasion the wheels begin to come off.

The fun of it though was to get the Russians involved and see what they can do. I was surprised that the Japanese were able to hold some spots in good terrain due to SL.

So the game "ended" in early December 45 with the Allies getting to 2:1. The Russians wiping Korea and marching on Shanghai. The US with 5k AV in Tokyo and wearing down the defenders.

Nice to use some jets for both sides though!

Overall, an adjusted "Capt Cruft" defense can cause the Allies trouble.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 2/19/2016 12:06:39 PM

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Thats pretty cool!

I tried playing some Downfall not too long ago but motivation didn�t last long! Never tried H2H though.

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