Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: spence

Do you? As on December 6th, 1941 how many bomb and torpedo hits had IJN flyers scored against warships? In port? Underway at sea?

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ORIGINAL: gunny3013

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: gunny3013

My PC will not allow access to any other program while the game is running and print screen simply doesn't give very much information. Outside of that I'm not skilled in the program enough to post any other information. Sorry

Sure you can. Just go into your save directory and cut and paste the combat report from the action here. Lots of good text hints in that. Don't edit it for brevity, there's some tasty tidbits of clarity in there.

There's about 10,000 of those files and I'm not searching through all that. Can they be eliminated after a game?

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ORIGINAL: gunny3013
As was stated earlier in this posting as well, Detailed info is a lot more difficult to get than you seem to realize.

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Anyone else ever have this issue?

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ORIGINAL: spence

Do you? As on December 6th, 1941 how many bomb and torpedo hits had IJN flyers scored against warships? In port? Underway at sea?

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ORIGINAL: spence

As mentioned, lopsided CV battles didn't happen until 1944.

Although the Japanese were the first to create a powerful air striking force in their First Air Fleet/Kido Butai they were little better prepared to conduct a carrier vs carrier battle than their US adversaries: simply because no such battle had ever been fought by anyone until Coral Sea. At that battle neither the Japanese nor the Americans displayed any particular acumen. Its ending as a Japanese tactical victory was hardly a certainty when the IJN strike aircraft left the scene of their attack on the US CVs (the Lexington was making 20 kts when the fuel vapor explosion overtook it).


Likewise the Japanese "first team" can hardly claim to have showed "how it's done" at Midway.
Experience gained fighting obsolete aircraft with lousy pilots while bombing nearly defenseless cities doesn't count much in CV battles. It's CAP did well for a while against American ineptitude but the fact remains that at the moment that those SBDs smashed the KB the number of Japanese strike aircraft launched at the American TFs was precisely ZERO. The Hiryu's two subsequent strikes were well done except that only a few of the participating a/c were ever going to be available to strike again.

The remaining CV battles of 1942, resulted in pretty even damage:

1 US CV, Hornet, sunk
USS Enterprise damaged severely twice
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1 IJN CVL, Ryujo, sunk
CV HIJMS Shokaku damaged severely
CVL HIJMS Zuiho damaged

(IJN subs did well but their contributions did not contribute to the CV battles directly: and six of them died in the Solomons).

Lopsided battles between CVs really have no historical basis.

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: gunny3013

My PC will not allow access to any other program while the game is running and print screen simply doesn't give very much information. Outside of that I'm not skilled in the program enough to post any other information. Sorry

I can tell you that -weather- had no impact or effect and we both took a single swing at each other in both circumstances. The period was early and mid 42.

It's not that I lost my whole fleet that matters, it's that he walked away without a scratch both times. Oh, and the game is VS. a live opponent.

In about a half dozen other "live" games, both sides took hits although the USN took the brunt, in this one I have never stood a chance. Hate to ask this but... is there a way to minipulate the program?

The game doesn't "like" to be minimized., but it can be. Alt+Tab will minimize the game, allowing access to a paint program to paste screen shots captured with the print screen button.

It's re-maximizing that the game doesn't like and it shakes itself out graphically in fits and starts until it properly restores the screen display.

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ORIGINAL: gunny3013

I have experienced a total failure in a CV battle so one sided it was difficult to believe. All vessels and aircraft are properly configured and attacked their mark. The problem is they never put a scratch on any IJN vessels while the Japanese air strike innihalated my entire CV TF, all this despite me launching twice as many Aircraft than he did. After chaulking it up to an anomaly, I continued play only to have the exact same thing occur a second time some time later. Not a bloody scratch on his futuristic fleet while mine was wiped out to the ship. Anyone else ever have this issue?

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ORIGINAL: gunny3013
Training was prioritized to Naval Search and Naval Attack.

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ORIGINAL: gunny3013

All DB's were set to 10,000 ft and all TB's were set to 5,000 ft. Training was prioritized to Naval Search and Naval Attack. Standard Operating Proceedure and successful in every other game. The flak barely touched any of my aircraft. In fact he look heavier flak losses than I did and I had far more aircraft than he did. I had to watch every single plane miss every ship they attempted to hit while he watched his planes destroy every ship they targeted. This was unique and so incredible as to not be believed and if you had told me he had futuristic space shields I would have been compelled to believe you based on the evidence before me. Once was a fuke, the second time it happened all I could mumble was, "Oh hell no!"

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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

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ORIGINAL: gunny3013

All DB's were set to 10,000 ft and all TB's were set to 5,000 ft. Training was prioritized to Naval Search and Naval Attack. Standard Operating Proceedure and successful in every other game. The flak barely touched any of my aircraft. In fact he look heavier flak losses than I did and I had far more aircraft than he did. I had to watch every single plane miss every ship they attempted to hit while he watched his planes destroy every ship they targeted. This was unique and so incredible as to not be believed and if you had told me he had futuristic space shields I would have been compelled to believe you based on the evidence before me. Once was a fuke, the second time it happened all I could mumble was, "Oh hell no!"

By barely touched you mean how many? 2,3,4?

What about the other questions?

Thx

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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

whoops.

never mind.



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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

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ORIGINAL: gunny3013

All DB's were set to 10,000 ft and all TB's were set to 5,000 ft. Training was prioritized to Naval Search and Naval Attack. Standard Operating Proceedure and successful in every other game. The flak barely touched any of my aircraft. In fact he look heavier flak losses than I did and I had far more aircraft than he did. I had to watch every single plane miss every ship they attempted to hit while he watched his planes destroy every ship they targeted. This was unique and so incredible as to not be believed and if you had told me he had futuristic space shields I would have been compelled to believe you based on the evidence before me. Once was a fuke, the second time it happened all I could mumble was, "Oh hell no!"

By barely touched you mean how many? 2,3,4?

What about the other questions?

Thx

whoops.

never mind.



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ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Without a combat report we can't really answer, but it sounds possible that weather was the factor from what you say. If you attacked in storms and he did in clear that can end up very lopsided.

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

whoops.

never mind.



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Thanks for the link Nik. After the 10th incoherent reply, still without any hard data, this somehow looked familiar.

I am outta here...

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

whoops.

never mind.



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Thanks for the link Nik. After the 10th incoherent reply, still without any hard data, this somehow looked familiar.

I am outta here...

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ORIGINAL: gunny3013

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ORIGINAL: LoBaron

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: gunny3013

My PC will not allow access to any other program while the game is running and print screen simply doesn't give very much information. Outside of that I'm not skilled in the program enough to post any other information. Sorry

I can tell you that -weather- had no impact or effect and we both took a single swing at each other in both circumstances. The period was early and mid 42.

It's not that I lost my whole fleet that matters, it's that he walked away without a scratch both times. Oh, and the game is VS. a live opponent.

In about a half dozen other "live" games, both sides took hits although the USN took the brunt, in this one I have never stood a chance. Hate to ask this but... is there a way to minipulate the program?

The game doesn't "like" to be minimized., but it can be. Alt+Tab will minimize the game, allowing access to a paint program to paste screen shots captured with the print screen button.

It's re-maximizing that the game doesn't like and it shakes itself out graphically in fits and starts until it properly restores the screen display.

This.

You can reduce the averse effect of re-maximizing by closing all ingame screens before alt-tabbing out but I still would not reccommend to do it more than once per session, and even then you might notice graphical artefacts.

Personally I save and reload. It is a hassle but there is only so much you can do with a source code this old.



@gunny3013: You can access op/combat/intel reports through the savegame folder. If you have the -archive switch in your command line then you can access all reports ever generated by the game by acessing the save/archive folder. For screenshots there are a couple of freeware programs that allow you to take screenshots without exiting a program.

As has been stated a couple of times in this thread already, providing very detailed ingame data and additional information about the battle itself, as well as the battles´ context and preface, is essential if you want to get any helpful analysis from the forums. If not you all you will get is opinionated guesswork and general statements.

It is absolutely possible to fight a CV battle to a draw against the IJN - even very early in the war, with luck even win. But you have to do your homework and engage from a position of advantage, what that is exactly depends on the situation.

As was stated earlier in this posting as well, Detailed info is a lot more difficult to get than you seem to realize.

...to heck with a draw or a victory! I would have settled for a single hit! 4 CV's sunk and all four flew against their IJN opponents and came up ZILCH! not a bloody scratch! Nada! couldn't even hit a cargo vessel. All the while he wipes out my entire fleet in one single air strike! Something is a miss.

Remember in AI games and games against other opponents my CV's aren't heroic or anything but they can at least score a few hits with no problem. It's just this one player's CV's that seems to have star trek shields to maximum...

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Got to admit that I thought that DB had to be over 11,000 feet to dive bomb.