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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 9/20/2014 7:40:01 PM   
Sangeli


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Status: offline 		I'm reading Mundy's side of things right now. I have to say you are an impressive player. I have no idea what the VPs are but I bet you are thinking autovictory.

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 9/20/2014 11:31:31 PM   
KenchiSulla


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Status: offline 		Thanks for visiting, sorry to say I left the AAR for a bit... All my time goes into playing.. To be honest I'm not really sure if I'm going for AV. Just trying to get into a good position (economy, defensive and naval force conservation). So far it is going OK.



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Sitrep 1st of May 1942 - 10/18/2014 12:32:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		The war is still raging and the allies are taking considerable losses.. Mundy has an aggressive spirit. I admire it but in this phase of the struggle it isn't always helping his cause...

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RE: Sitrep 1st of May 1942 - 10/18/2014 4:58:26 PM   
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The war is still raging and the allies are taking considerable losses.


Yes, that's one way of putting it. And it looks like there's another haul of Allied ships yelling "May day!"

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RE: Sitrep 1st of May 1942 - 10/18/2014 7:44:46 PM   
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Over the last two weeks US heavies have been harassing some of the more forward bases in Australia, North Pacific and the South Pacific. I can't stop the raids in the North but I am trying to bleed him in the South, so far with mixed results. Today, however, was a good day with about 10 B17Ds and Es claimed for minimum losses...

Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 4
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 4 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
3rd Ku S-1/A with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes
3rd Ku S-1/C with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes

Handa O. in a A6M2 Zero makes head on attack ... forces B-17E Fortress out of formation


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Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
3rd Ku S-1/A with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 98 minutes
3rd Ku S-1/C with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes

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RE: Sitrep 1st of May 1942 - 10/18/2014 8:21:29 PM   
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RE: Sitrep 1st of May 1942 - 10/19/2014 8:00:28 AM   
KenchiSulla


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First division is nearly fully unloaded at Moresby. Its a bit of a mess but should recover. We are going to loose a few transports here but that's OK. I'll take it on the chin.. Planning to land three divisions, artillery and a HQ here. The question is, what is faster? Walk through the jungle for a month or land and recover the disablements? The 48th division was underprepped. The next units should do better as they are 60+ prepped...

Ground combat at Port Moresby (98,130)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20526 troops, 177 guns, 109 vehicles, Assault Value = 546

Defending force 7090 troops, 92 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 304

Allied adjusted assault: 239

Japanese adjusted defense: 217

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
279 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
781 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 93 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Torres Strait Battalion
8th Australian Division
4th KNIL Regiment
Prajoda Garrison Battalion
49th Australian Battalion
Barisan KNIL Regiment
NG Vol Rifles Battalion
Papuan Inf Battalion
13th Field Regiment
Rabaul Base Force
ABDA
15th RAN Base Force
3rd RAAF Base Force
6th RAN Base Force
9th Avn Sup Afd
4th Australian Lt AA Regiment

Defending units:
48th Division
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Bn /1

Search... Unlikely that my transports or covering forces will not see the allied navy coming...




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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/19/2014 8:54:37 AM   
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R&D is starting to kick in. Engine bonus on the 34 and 35 line of engines




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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/19/2014 11:46:57 AM   
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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/19/2014 12:23:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		It does look like he has sacrificed the Royal Navy but the USN is in great shape for the future. His air losses look very light as well. IMO.

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/19/2014 12:55:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

Aircraft comparison tool...

I've been working with excel today, trying to figure out how I should go forward with aircraft production planning and R&D. In my previous games I did not put effort into the Jack at all. But if I pair it with a good low altitude, service rating 1 fighter it might be able to fight the P47 in band 4 (after dive)... Anybody reading this with experience using Jacks?




Coming to this late.

Jack is good fighter, but I generally build the George instead. The Georges range allows it to be a decent escort and it gets 4x20mm cannon sooner so it is also a good 4E stopper. I don't build both. You don't get enough IJN LB fighter groups to support the investment of two planes IMO. THat's me though, I'm very careful with my supply expenditures.

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/19/2014 9:38:23 PM   
KenchiSulla


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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Looking very good! What is the VP score?


Its about 4.3:1 now. It might force some kind of major action from the allies in the second half of 1942.

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/19/2014 9:42:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

It does look like he has sacrificed the Royal Navy but the USN is in great shape for the future. His air losses look very light as well. IMO.


The USN is in good shape. He only lost three modern cruisers and a handful of modern destroyers. But then again, the IJN is doing great as well! You call his air losses light. Maybe so in some areas (USA and USN fighters, fleet air arm in general) but his medium bomber losses have been fairly heavy and he can't keep up the loss rate he has suffered on his heavy bombers in 1942.

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/19/2014 9:49:17 PM   
KenchiSulla


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

Aircraft comparison tool...

I've been working with excel today, trying to figure out how I should go forward with aircraft production planning and R&D. In my previous games I did not put effort into the Jack at all. But if I pair it with a good low altitude, service rating 1 fighter it might be able to fight the P47 in band 4 (after dive)... Anybody reading this with experience using Jacks?




Coming to this late.

Jack is good fighter, but I generally build the George instead. The Georges range allows it to be a decent escort and it gets 4x20mm cannon sooner so it is also a good 4E stopper. I don't build both. You don't get enough IJN LB fighter groups to support the investment of two planes IMO. THat's me though, I'm very careful with my supply expenditures.


In general I believe in specialization but I have a bit of experience in 1944 and none of the Japanese fighters are real winners. The way I look at it: N1K2-J, great fighter down low, J2M5 is a good fighter up high, A6M has a great service rating... The challenge will be how to set it up in such a way that the fighters complement each other...

One could also argue that you should throw in the Army for a good high altitude fighter but.. which one? the Frank-R? The Jack will be available sooner (probably)....

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/20/2014 3:10:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

In general I believe in specialization but I have a bit of experience in 1944 and none of the Japanese fighters are real winners. The way I look at it: N1K2-J, great fighter down low, J2M5 is a good fighter up high, A6M has a great service rating... The challenge will be how to set it up in such a way that the fighters complement each other...

One could also argue that you should throw in the Army for a good high altitude fighter but.. which one? the Frank-R? The Jack will be available sooner (probably)....

Just remember you get well more than 2x IJA fighter groups compared to IJN fighter groups even after all of the CV groups are "converted" to LBA. IJA fighters are really important. Spending a lot of resource on IJN fighters will have significantly less payback as you simply do not have as many groups to fill. At least that is my rationale.

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/20/2014 7:47:00 PM   
KenchiSulla


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Status: offline 		Thanks for your thoughts Pax, it is appreciated.

Bit of action at Moresby. Defeated two assaults on the troops landed there but shipping losses are a bit high. About four lost now (2 xAPs and 2 xAKs).. Think I'll land the rest on the other side of the peninsula and walk them up. Its probably faster then unloading and repairing the disablements... Switching to fast transport groups to supply the troops and the bombardment express is being set up...

Tojo is in production!

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/23/2014 3:48:43 PM   
KenchiSulla


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India




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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/24/2014 8:31:52 PM   
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The attack at Ranchi will go in tomorrow. If Mundy was planning on pulling out he is now too late. He'll have at least level 2 forts, perhaps level 3 but I'll grind him down..

Ground combat at Ranchi (52,32)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1552 troops, 135 guns, 60 vehicles, Assault Value = 2033

Defending force 28619 troops, 523 guns, 407 vehicles, Assault Value = 601

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
5th/C Division
4th Guards Division
112th Infantry Regiment
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
55th Engineer Regiment
6th Guards Division
18th Division
55th Cavalry Regiment
143rd Infantry Regiment
144th Infantry Regiment
38th/B Division
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
48th Field AA Battalion
15th Army
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
55th Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
84th Indian Brigade
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
70th British Division
7th Australian Division
26th Indian Division
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
23rd AA Bde
35th Light AA Regiment
85th British AT Gun Regiment
22nd Light AA Regiment

27th US Division gets bombed again, this time in clear weather. Damage is decent. Troops in the open without FLAK and CAP are very vulnerable...

Afternoon Air attack on 27th Infantry Division, at 56,35 , near Rajshashi

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 27
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 36
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 4 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
192 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
36 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

The remnants of 46th Indian brigades are destroyed at Comilla. 76th Indian is is pushed back at Rangpur.. Overall happy with the efforts and results in India!

About 50+ heavies strike Noumea. I have a full squadron of Nicks there, along with a couple of FLAK units. We claim a dozen B17Es and a couple of B17Ds and Liberators for one Nick lost (ops)... Extended range is hurting him here. Don't think Mundy will come back soon so it might be safe to start moving in some G4Ms here...

Morning Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 36

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (7 airborne, 15 on standby, 14 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes

Bunkichi F. in a Ki-45 KAIa Nick makes head on attack ... forces B-17E Fortress out of formation


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Morning Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 24

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
22 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 20

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 13 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 17

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 13 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 13

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6
LB-30 Liberator x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
LB-30 Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x LB-30 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 13 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes


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Morning Air attack on Noumea , at 115,160

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 56 minutes




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"It happened, therefore it can happen again: this is the core of what we have to say. It can happen, and it can happen everywhere.”
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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/24/2014 8:40:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those extended range 4E attacks are painful to watch. Half the bomb load with higher attrition rates. Those Nicks are pretty good 4E killers as well.

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/24/2014 9:22:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		The extended range really is the killer. A lot of damaged B17s by Nicks, even more damage from the FLAK at Noumea and then the long flight back... Only 3 or 4 bombers got destroyed above Noumea.. The rest crashed later...

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/25/2014 10:40:59 AM   
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The assault on Ranchi did not go as well as I wanted it to go but we still get decent odds. Would love to fly air support but the presence of a lot of FLAK would make it far to costly. We'll take our time. 4th Guards takes the brunt of the casualties and is put in reserve. The 7th Australian division is down to a reported 70 AV so she probably took most of the disablements. I'll rest a day or two and then go at it again...

Ground combat at Ranchi (52,32)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 65254 troops, 636 guns, 334 vehicles, Assault Value = 2032

Defending force 28814 troops, 523 guns, 409 vehicles, Assault Value = 618

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 1307

Allied adjusted defense: 689

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
5159 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 278 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 33 disabled
Guns lost 44 (1 destroyed, 43 disabled)
Vehicles lost 23 (1 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
970 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 162 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 76 (3 destroyed, 73 disabled)
Vehicles lost 28 (6 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Assaulting units:
4th Guards Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
6th Guards Division
5th/C Division
18th Division
55th Division
38th/B Division
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
48th Field AA Battalion
15th Army
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
7th Australian Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
84th Indian Brigade
70th British Division
26th Indian Division
85th British AT Gun Regiment
35th Light AA Regiment
23rd AA Bde
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
22nd Light AA Regiment

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/25/2014 7:14:19 PM   
KenchiSulla


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Success at Ranchi! Fair amount of combat squads and guns destroyed. Two and 2/3 divisions and a tank brigade in pursuit, along with the artillery... Two guards divisions stand down and will rest for a bit...

Ground combat at Ranchi (52,32)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 51108 troops, 531 guns, 330 vehicles, Assault Value = 1731

Defending force 32108 troops, 608 guns, 452 vehicles, Assault Value = 608

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 2082

Allied adjusted defense: 655

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Ranchi !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1450 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 97 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 26 disabled
Guns lost 27 (1 destroyed, 26 disabled)
Units pursuing 3

Allied ground losses:
8030 casualties reported
Squads: 244 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 581 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 127 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 200 (173 destroyed, 27 disabled)
Vehicles lost 328 (316 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Units retreated 11

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
6th Guards Division
4th Guards/A Division
5th/C Division
55th Division
4th Guards/B Division
38th/B Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
18th Division
4th Guards/C Division
48th Field AA Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Army
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
7th Australian Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
22nd (East African) Brigade
70th British Division
84th Indian Brigade
26th Indian Division
35th Light AA Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
23rd AA Bde
85th British AT Gun Regiment
22nd Light AA Regiment

< Message edited by Cannonfodder -- 10/25/2014 8:15:45 PM >

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/26/2014 4:43:38 AM   
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16th of May, 1942

Success at Ranchi! Fair amount of combat squads and guns destroyed.


Congrats at keeping up the pace of the AAR. This is now probably the best two-sided reporting of the current games.

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/26/2014 8:57:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks mr. Harlock.. Not to sure about the quality of my AAR though. Surely there are better reports out there

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/26/2014 12:02:47 PM   
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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/27/2014 4:14:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Really dumb question - But I don't see the draw of playing DBB as this game, and another game, makes it so easy for the IJ forces to conquer all of China and to actually invade India, at the same time the base game allows industrial specialization enabling them to churn out planes fast er than the Arsenal of Democracy did.

Serious question - I don't see the draw of the hyper unrealistic capabilities and apparent near impossible mountain to climb to take any of it back.

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/27/2014 4:39:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		The China problem isn´t DBB specific. Its in all versions of the game.

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/27/2014 5:09:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: uncivil_servant

Really dumb question - But I don't see the draw of playing DBB as this game, and another game, makes it so easy for the IJ forces to conquer all of China and to actually invade India, at the same time the base game allows industrial specialization enabling them to churn out planes fast er than the Arsenal of Democracy did.

Serious question - I don't see the draw of the hyper unrealistic capabilities and apparent near impossible mountain to climb to take any of it back.

My answer to you copied from the other AAR where you asked this question:

quote:

ORIGINAL: uncivil_servant

Really dumb question - But I don't see the draw of playing DBB as this game, and another game, makes it so easy for the IJ forces to conquer all of China and to actually invade India, at the same time the base game allows industrial specialization enabling them to churn out planes fast er than the Arsenal of Democracy did.

Serious question - I don't see the draw of the hyper unrealistic capabilities and apparent near impossible mountain to climb to take any of it back.

You're missing the critical point. DBB does not make it easier than stock for Japan to conquer China. It makes it more difficult. Various discussions have centered around whether it is yet difficult enough.

Nor does DBB make it easier to invade India. Nor does DBB allow for more IJ aircraft production.

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/27/2014 5:31:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who said it is easy? To get to India you need Singapore.. To get to India early you need Singapore early... It is a matter of commitment of forces and sometimes a bit of luck...

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RE: DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan... - 10/28/2014 8:47:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not to mention with a good defense of China taking it isn't so easy either. But if you have the bulk of Chinese forces committed to counteroffensives in Japanese controlled cities then you're undoubtedly opening yourself up to Japanese attacks elsewhere. This game is probably not a good example of how easy it is for Japan to take China because the Allies are really aiding Japan with a lot of these ahistoric decisions.

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