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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/9/2014 9:12:25 PM

Mundy

Posts: 2869
Joined: 6/26/2002
From: Neenah
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13 August 1942

Assumptions came back to bite me...badly.

Apparently, Cannonfodder was prepared to open up the throttles on KB to get to my carriers.

quote:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Johnston Island at 152,110

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
A6M3a Zero x 43
B5N1 Kate x 7
B5N2 Kate x 99
D3A1 Val x 116

Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 1
F4F-3 Wildcat x 21
F4F-4 Wildcat x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed, 13 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 6 destroyed, 12 damaged
D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3A Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Hornet, Bomb hits 2
CV Wasp, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB North Carolina, Bomb hits 16, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CL Nashville
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Benham
CLAA Atlanta

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
23 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
19 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
16 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
20 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
19 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
7 x B5N1 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
16 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-42 with F4F-3 Wildcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 9000.
Raid is overhead
VF-6 with F4F-3A Wildcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 12000.
Raid is overhead
VF-8 with F4F-3 Wildcat (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 10 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
VF-71 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 11 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes

Fuel storage explosion on CV Wasp
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Wasp

-----------------------------

Morning Air attack on TF, near Johnston Island at 153,108

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
A6M3a Zero x 47
B5N1 Kate x 8
B5N2 Kate x 113
D3A1 Val x 57

Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 34
F4F-3 Wildcat x 29
F4F-4 Wildcat x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed
B5N1 Kate: 1 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed, 13 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 9 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3A Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 15, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CLAA San Diego, Torpedo hits 1
DD Mahan
CL Honolulu
CL Helena
CLAA San Juan, Bomb hits 8, on fire
DD Blue

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
23 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
8 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 10000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
17 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
24 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
25 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
6 x B5N1 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-3 Wildcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(17 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 8 being recalled, 8 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
VF-71 with F4F-4 Wildcat (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(18 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 12 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
VF-42 with F4F-3 Wildcat (4 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
VF-6 with F4F-3A Wildcat (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 17 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes

Fuel storage explosion on CV Enterprise
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Enterprise
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring a Yorktown class CV

---------------------------------------------

Morning Air attack on TF, near Johnston Island at 153,108

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N1 Kate x 8

Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 18
F4F-3 Wildcat x 20
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N1 Kate: 6 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
VF-71 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(7 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
VF-8 with F4F-3 Wildcat (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 6 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
VF-42 with F4F-3 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
VF-6 with F4F-3A Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 8 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes

---------------------------------------------

Morning Air attack on TF, near Johnston Island at 153,108

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 15 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 9

Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 17
F4F-3 Wildcat x 14
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Helena
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-3 Wildcat (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 59 minutes
VF-42 with F4F-3 Wildcat (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
VF-6 with F4F-3A Wildcat (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 12 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
VF-71 with F4F-4 Wildcat (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Raid is overhead

---------------------------------------------

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Johnston Island at 153,108

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
B5N2 Kate x 13
D3A1 Val x 17

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
TBF-1 Avenger: 10 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Yorktown, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Helena
DD Ralph Talbot, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

My lame response...

quote:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Taongi at 147,110

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 42
A6M3a Zero x 70

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 29
SBD-3 Dauntless x 95
TBF-1 Avenger x 29

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 7 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 34 destroyed, 24 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 3 destroyed by flak
TBF-1 Avenger: 9 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Shokaku
CV Akagi
CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 1
CV Soryu
CV Hiryu
BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 3
BB Kongo
BB Hiei
CV Kaga
CVL Shoho
CVL Zuiho

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
6 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
6 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
5 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
9 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
1 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
1 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
6 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Akagi-1 with A6M3a Zero (0 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
15 planes vectored on to bombers
Kaga-1 with A6M3a Zero (1 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
11 planes vectored on to bombers
Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
13 planes vectored on to bombers
Hiryu-1 with A6M3a Zero (1 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
13 planes vectored on to bombers
Shokaku-1 with A6M3a Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Zuikaku-1 with A6M3a Zero (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Shoho-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
9 planes vectored on to bombers
Zuiho-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
13 planes vectored on to bombers

------------------------------------

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taongi at 148,110

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 37
A6M3a Zero x 65

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 19
TBF-1 Avenger x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 7 destroyed
TBF-1 Avenger: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
Akagi-1 with A6M3a Zero (4 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 32810.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
Kaga-1 with A6M3a Zero (0 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
Hiryu-1 with A6M3a Zero (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
Shokaku-1 with A6M3a Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
Zuikaku-1 with A6M3a Zero (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
Shoho-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
Zuiho-1 with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 8000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes

---------------------------------------------

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Taongi at 148,110

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 35
A6M3a Zero x 63

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
Akagi-1 with A6M3a Zero (4 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 24407.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
Kaga-1 with A6M3a Zero (12 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 32810.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes
Hiryu-1 with A6M3a Zero (3 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
Shokaku-1 with A6M3a Zero (2 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes
Zuikaku-1 with A6M3a Zero (3 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes
Shoho-1 with A6M2 Zero (4 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
Zuiho-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes

As fate would have it, they engaged as pretty much maximum range for me, regulating my TBFs to glide bombing. It always seems to happen that way for me. If we were closer, I might have dealt a bit more back.

All my managed was a single hit on a 'kaku, with my crack TBF pilots hitting a Kongo instead of a carrier. I did beat up some straggling unescorted Kate strikes, which is little consolation.

Enterprise and Wasp are down. Yorktown most likely won't last the day at 90 flt. Hornet took minor damage, and I'm sending her and any undamaged escorts back under full speed. If his forces react to York, they may get away.

My over-consciousness to sys damage cost me here. Any move on the Marshalls is hereby scrubbed until at least mid-1943. I'll just have to stonewall in the Pacific, which shouldn't be hard as he's not making any real moves there as of late.

Elsewhere, another five bomber squadrons arrive at Cape Town, with three arriving the previous day. Packed up and shipped. I may be able to start thinking about hitting things in a month or so.

CF made a go at Chungking. I'm guessing a lone armored unit crossed a river, as the scale was small.

quote:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 2679 troops, 182 guns, 139 vehicles, Assault Value = 1546

Defending force 118085 troops, 235 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2486

Japanese adjusted assault: 0

Allied adjusted defense: 6017

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 58 (53 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
15th/A Division
12th Tank Regiment
41st/A Division
13th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
35th Division
14th Division
11th Tank Regiment
15th/B Division
15th/C Division
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Mortar Battalion
1st Army
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
19th Chinese Corps
10th Construction Regiment
8th Chinese Corps
5th New Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps
7th Construction Regiment
83rd Chinese Corps
91st Chinese Corps
11th Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Corps
60th Chinese Corps
303rd Brigade
3rd Construction Regiment
71st Chinese Corps
23rd Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
95th Chinese Corps
29th Chinese Corps
8th Construction Regiment
12th Construction Regiment
4th Chinese Base Force
10th Group Army
CAF HQ
China Command
19th Chinese Base Force
14th Chinese Base Force
18th Artillery Regiment
14th Group Army
24th Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Base Force
1st War Area
Red Chinese Army
15th Group Army
13th Group Army
49th AA Regiment
37th Group Army
Central Reserve
16th Construction Regiment
7th Group Army
25th Group Army
7th Artillery Regiment
1st Artillery Regiment
3rd Group Army
1st Chinese Base Force
Lusu War Area
23rd Group Army
56th AT Gun Regiment
21st Chinese Base Force

Another go at Canton. I think my time left there is on the clock now.

quote:

Ground combat at Canton (77,59)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 52851 troops, 462 guns, 82 vehicles, Assault Value = 1605

Defending force 27692 troops, 256 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 435

Japanese adjusted assault: 1077

Allied adjusted defense: 677

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1660 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 152 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1255 casualties reported
Squads: 80 destroyed, 89 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 29 (4 destroyed, 25 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st Ind.Inf.Group
10th Garrison Unit
56th Division
33rd Division
Hong Kong Def Force
116th Division
20th RGC Division
47th JAAF AF Bn
4th Air Division
21st Mortar Battalion
Canton Special Base Force
1st JAAF AF Coy
32nd JNAF AF Unit
2nd JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
14th Chinese Corps
2nd Prov Chinese Corps
62nd Chinese Corps
6th Chinese Corps
16th Group Army
57th AT Gun Regiment

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/9/2014 9:18:16 PM

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Wow that hurts.

Your poor SBDs were slaughtered.

Tough luck there mate :(

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/9/2014 10:04:33 PM

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He brought the full monty; the whole enchilada

CV Shokaku
CV Akagi
CV Zuikaku
CV Soryu
CV Hiryu
CV Kaga
CVL Shoho
CVL Zuiho
BB Kirishima
BB Kongo
BB Hiei

Very hard to compete with these odds... how many carriers you had? four?

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/9/2014 10:24:30 PM

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That I expected. Going back to the Port Moresby invasion, it's been SOP for him to include *every* carrier in his TF.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/9/2014 10:29:00 PM

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Tough break. You see why I have been pressing you to be more conservative with your USN CVs from the start. Regardless of the mission, there is a danger in using your CVs. And in an offensive strike such as the one you attempted this is even more so.

I bet CF is trying to trap all your units in Chungking by moving into the hex from all 6 directions. This is the beginning of the end for China.

From my (limited) perspective it seems the entire Allied war machine is collapsing in the summer of 42. A 3 to 1 VP edge at the end of 42 is basically a guarantee now and it likely will be closer to 5 to 1 I think. In terms of long term planning I think you have very limited options as the Japanese position is extremely strong all over. The IJA will be freed from China and you have lost too much in India to do anything but defend what you already have. And now with the USN badly behind in the CV war that will severely reduce your capacity for amphibious attacks. The only way I can see the Allies making real progress in late 1943 is on the backs of the USAAF through overwhelming firepower. If you do intend to continue, this is the time to allow for a long strategic stalemate while you rebuild and reorganize.

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I also notice he brought A6M3a ... while you are still flying Wildcats F3 .. and even F3As ...

My advice:
1st don't give up!!
2nd: go balls deep in India; you don't need carriers there; and of course you cannot do anything now on the Pacific until late 43... so I would just move everything out of PH, Australia, etc. just keep the minimum required to make any new Japanese conquest hard.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/9/2014 11:42:54 PM

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Were you close enough to Johnston Is. for some of your airgroup survivors to land there?

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/10/2014 12:08:08 AM

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Don't worry guys, I'm not hanging it up.

In my last game all my carriers were dead by Jan 42 and my opponent was running an aggressive anti-commerce campaign against Australia, pretty much starving them.

Lot of what-ifs here, like if the Lexingtons were available. They might have died too, or they might have made a difference. Another 70+ fighters would have helped. I probably would have dished out a bit more, if he didn't show up at the very max range. Pure bad luck there -- just like me showing up a half day out of synch at Kwajalein.

Jorge, I think you misread a bit. I didn't have Buffalos on board. They were F4F-3As, the de-tuned version of the Wildcat with Pratt and Whitneys. Performance-wise, the -3 should be a bit better than the -4, with a small armament hit.

Come the end of January, one of the Suva VMFs will be the first to get Corsairs. Once my USAAF squadron in Bombay is ready, I'll introduce CF to a 30,000' Lightning sweep.

I don't think they got to Johnston Is. Didn't see a message about it, plus the strikes flew a long way to the IJN.

I can sit tight. The real war, from the US/UK side is in India, and I've got a regular conveyor belt of stuff moving there. My impression is that he's sitting tight with his current holdings in India. I've seen nothing moving past the bases he now has. Raipur and Benares are the extend he's gone so far. I have a few squadrons of recon on auto-pilot watching for anything. I've been moving more engineers to Karachi, due to it's lower airfield level. I've had to go to Bombay to upgrade any squadrons. I may pull a good part of the Royal Navy out of Bombay to help escort stuff from Cape Town. There's no way I can be offensive with them right now, anyway. He's been keeping a sub most of the time west of Karachi.

China is a mess. I've still been getting reinforcements at Chungking, kicking me back up to 2,000 AV. I have a ton of units at Sian and Ankang, lots of which of beat up, but I'm probably at least 1,500 AV between them. The roads are blocked with his guys, so it'll be hard to move them west. I may make a move for Kienko. I wish I was a god of war here, but it's hard for me to form a picture of how to get set up. The Chinese can't fight for everything, but losing too many cities screws them badly, supply-wise.

I have another CVE due pretty soon. Looking at what it's carrying, it looks replenishment-oriented.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/10/2014 1:52:26 AM

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My impression is that he's sitting tight with his current holdings in India. I've seen nothing moving past the bases he now has. Raipur and Benares are the extend he's gone so far.

That may have been the case before but I think with the USN neutralized that Japan will try to capitalize on the situation and be more aggressive in India. Very good chance the KB will be split up with half headed to the IO. I think it is almost certain that Japan will attempt a major naval blockade of India and perhaps even try to take Bombay/Karachi. Get ready...

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/10/2014 11:56:37 AM

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Wow.... about 190 hits on this thread since yesterday morning. I guess I'm being read.

Sangeli, I'm not sure he'd want to throw KB westwards. I still have two good carriers -- three if Hornet escapes, which can still pose a threat to things. One CVE is in San Francisco, training up a VMSB. This should be due to flip to "carrier trained" pretty soon, as it's been at least a month. If he did go for India, I'd most likely move my air forces inland. He'd do his damage on the coast, but I'd probably keep my air intact from that threat. Not that I'd be a threat myself. I've come to accept that the RAF will rarely harm a ship. My last RN carrier is due to withdraw within a month.

If I knew KB was out west, I'd probably pounce on the Marshalls at that point. Unless he's made late changes, his air power there seems to be patrol and fighters. I still have 13 battleships for a relatively safe situation like this. It would be nice if Intel Monkey threw me a bone now and then.

I've been setting up a base at Lord Howe. If he's still looking at lower Australia, it'll be another speed bump in the way. I have two Spitfire squadrons in Oz now, both at two planes each. I'm sure it's at least two months before they're up to strength. I have lots of Beaufighters in the pool, but not many squadrons to take them. P-40 for Australia are over 50, too.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/10/2014 3:11:20 PM

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Lord Howe is a great search and recon base for him to spot convoys for his raiders and check if you have ships upgrading at Sydney and Brisbane. Not sure if Melbourne is in range of a Mavis. You may have lots of air cover in those major bases but he can still concentrate enough to do what he wants.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/10/2014 4:56:53 PM

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Sangeli, I'm not sure he'd want�to throw KB westwards.� I still have two good carriers -- three if Hornet escapes, which can still pose a threat to things.� One CVE is in San Francisco, training up a VMSB.� This should be due to flip to "carrier trained" pretty soon, as it's been at least a month.

I'm not saying he will throw the whole KB westwards; only half. At least that's what I would do if I were CF. But of course I could be wrong and he could be more conservative than I anticipate.

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If I knew KB was out west, I'd probably pounce on the Marshalls at that point.� Unless he's made late changes, his air power there seems to be patrol and fighters.� I still have 13 battleships for a relatively safe situation like this.� It would be nice if Intel Monkey threw me a bone now and then.

If half the KB was left in Truk I would still say it is far from a favorable situation in the Marshalls. In my previous PBEM game I launched an invasion of the Marshalls when I saw the KB appear in the IO. I ended up losing about half my fleet in the invasion just to LBA and surface ships (though granted it was pre-Beta and Japanese LBA is not so coordinated anymore). Had I faced half the KB it would have been even worse. With the reprieve on the seas after the battle it stands to reason the Japanese will reinforce the area making further incursions even more difficult. Even if all you saw were patrols and fighters on the raid, it only takes 1 day to fly in more units. When you make assumptions on what forces you face based off what your current intel suggests, you are liable to get burned. If you want to invade the Marshalls start in the Gilberts and get Corsairs and 4E flying over the Japanese bases.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/10/2014 7:56:02 PM

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Well, regardless, I have more time to mull things over.

15 August 1942

Yorktown gives it up in the PM air phase. Cannonfodder doesn't pursue, and the PBYs at Johnston don't see KB anymore. My ships are back on mission speed, as some of them are at < 1000 miles endurance now. Hornet took some bombs, but damage levels are <= 10. Her air radar and some 20mm guns are destroyed.

He pushed things a bit to get to me, per his email:

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To be honest, I had to leave behind almost the entire destroyer force as they weren't able to sprint the last leg without refueling... Had them catch up on cruise speed just now...

They're probably a bit beat up at this point.

Quiet everywhere else. In Chungking, I'm moving a weak unit to the SE and one to the SW, just to help fend off being surrounded.

I have one lone division near Imphal, he's been trying to finish for a few days now:

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Ground combat at 59,41 (near Imphal)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 4118 troops, 34 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 112

Defending force 2293 troops, 14 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 55

Japanese adjusted assault: 86

Allied adjusted defense: 58

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Imperial Guards/C Division

Defending units:
39th Indian Division

More planes arrive at Cape Town. Once everyone's assembled, I'll have close to 15 USAAF bomber squadrons. One squadron of recon Lightnings are also shipping over.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/11/2014 12:11:00 AM

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16 August 1942

Remnants of the carrier disaster. Two Atlantas trying to get away. Hornet will be at Pearl tomorrow, with the rest of the surface forces the next day. Apart from the torpedo hit, they were pummeled by 60 kg bombs.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Johnston Island at 157,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 35
B5N2 Kate x 12
D3A1 Val x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CLAA San Juan, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CLAA San Diego, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
6 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
6 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Magazine explodes on CLAA San Diego

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Johnston Island at 157,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
D3A1 Val x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
CLAA San Juan, Bomb hits 5, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CLAA San Juan

CF's rounded the corner at Canton, I think.

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Ground combat at Canton (77,59)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 46984 troops, 411 guns, 82 vehicles, Assault Value = 1537

Defending force 26396 troops, 250 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 359

Japanese adjusted assault: 656

Allied adjusted defense: 389

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
954 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 105 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1169 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 125 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Assaulting units:
116th Division
10th Garrison Unit
1st Ind.Inf.Group
56th Division
Hong Kong Def Force
33rd Division
20th RGC Division
Canton Special Base Force
1st JAAF AF Coy
21st Mortar Battalion
32nd JNAF AF Unit
47th JAAF AF Bn
4th Air Division
2nd JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
2nd Prov Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Corps
62nd Chinese Corps
6th Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
16th Group Army
57th AT Gun Regiment

My new P-38 squadron is up to 18 planes, all flyable within 3 days. I pulled the first bunch in just fine, but can't bring any more in for some reason. About 6 in the pool. Supply and base size at Bombay should be sufficient. Not sure what the deal is. This squadron is fairly experienced with about 26 kills between them.

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I think there is a limit to how many new planes can be brought into a squadron as replacements in a given week, depending on base size. I had the same experience with waiting for units to draw replacements and smaller bases seem to take forever! I think presence of an Air HQ helps.

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I think there is a limit to how many new planes can be brought into a squadron as replacements in a given week, depending on base size. I had the same experience with waiting for units to draw replacements and smaller bases seem to take forever! I think presence of an Air HQ helps.

There's a hard cap of 12 planes.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/11/2014 11:07:29 AM

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I think there is a limit to how many new planes can be brought into a squadron as replacements in a given week, depending on base size. I had the same experience with waiting for units to draw replacements and smaller bases seem to take forever! I think presence of an Air HQ helps.

There's a hard cap of 12 planes.

My experience shows that hard cap of 12 is based on a 5 day interval, well a 6 day interval, 5 day delay, not weekly as many players assume.

After taking 12 planes in one fell swoop the message one receives is there will be a delay of 5 days.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/11/2014 11:58:58 AM

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Thanks. I'll wait it out then. I don't think I have an air HQ at Bombay. Air HQs are probably the one thing where being under a particular command makes a difference. I am conserving PPs for when my USA divisions arrive.

It's been the better part of a week, since I pulled the last batch in.

Once they're up to snuff, I'll rotate another weakling P-40 unit in for their turn.

The air war in India has been pretty much dead for the last week, which is fine with me. I can recover a bit. Fighters at Bhopal and Nagpur are most likely to see action when it happens. Delhi has a sizable air group, too, and I'm trying to keep the longer ranged bombers there.

My RN carrier and destroyers are at Karachi. The CV is due to withdraw inside a month. The DDs will intercept and escort the transports from Cape Town. I'll probably let them return there with them. Cannonfodder's SOP is to stand off about 5-10 hexes west of Karachi with subs. If he comes closer, he gets swarmed with motor launches. I've beaten up the last two subs up there pretty good, so I may be in between visits right now. I'm thinking of sending my blimps from San Francisco over that ways. They've got a good hit to their credit.

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I think there is a limit to how many new planes can be brought into a squadron as replacements in a given week, depending on base size. I had the same experience with waiting for units to draw replacements and smaller bases seem to take forever! I think presence of an Air HQ helps.

There's a hard cap of 12 planes.

My experience shows that hard cap of 12 is based on a 5 day interval, well a 6 day interval, 5 day delay, not weekly as many players assume.

After taking 12 planes in one fell swoop the message one receives is there will be a delay of 5 days.

It's a 7 day interval, and it's well documented. The turn after a unit takes replacements it will show a 6 day delay. The turn that a unit takes the max (12) replacements, it will not show any delay, the option to take more planes will simply be greyed out.

They made it be "up to 12 planes, one time per week". The way the displays work, you never see 7 days; you see 6 days the day after and 5 days two days after. It's easy to get the impression that it's either 5 or 6, but it's really 12 planes max every 7 days.

And remember it's getting replacements on ONE day, then a delay of 7 days. So if you only take one plane, you can't get more until 7 days later! So it sometimes is a good idea to live with a squadron being one or two planes down in case you need to replace more major losses in a hurry.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/11/2014 5:25:07 PM

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What's the status of the Gilbert Islands these days? Would be interested in seeing a screenshot of the situation. I think the Gilberts is one area you can make some progress with provided that you control some of the larger islands there.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/11/2014 5:36:50 PM

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When I sent my carriers to Pearl, I had done a sideswipe attack on Tarawa. He has very little in the area. It didn't look like a lot of buildup had gone on either.

I could probably grab Tarawa and Makin pretty quickly and easily. The thing is, KB could probably pounce in it fairly quickly, like on the Marshalls raid.

I'll see where they go before making a move. I'm due for a lucky intel spotting one of these weeks. I only have one intel report regarding carriers the entire game. All my Marshalls LCUs are at or near 100%. I'll have to flip and train for awhile before changing targets.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/11/2014 6:01:42 PM

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When I sent my carriers to Pearl, I had done a sideswipe attack on Tarawa.� He has very little in the area.� It didn't look like a lot of buildup had gone on either.

I could probably grab Tarawa and Makin pretty quickly and easily.� The thing is, KB could probably pounce in it fairly quickly, like on the Marshalls raid.

I'll see where they go before making a move.� I'm due for a lucky intel spotting one of these weeks.� I only have one intel report regarding�carriers the entire game.� All my Marshalls LCUs are at or near 100%.� I'll have to flip and train for awhile before changing targets.

Sure...but what of you already have? Are you building up bases like Beru? There are a number of islands there that have high stacking limits for atolls and can be built up to level 5 air bases. The biggest advantage the Allies have at this point is in engineering resources and the Gilberts is a place you can really utilize this advantage. And in terms of making moves I'm sure there are plenty of unoccupied islands that you can take without attracting the KB.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/11/2014 7:54:13 PM

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17 August 1943

Tojo sweeps started back up over India.

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Morning Air attack on Jubbulpore , at 46,27

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 27

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 25000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Jubbulpore , at 46,27

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 44

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
41 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 25000 feet
3 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 25000 feet

I'll put my guys up tomorrow. I'm trying to get at least a third of them over 30,000 ft, with layers at 20k and 15k. Most of the planes I have in the area struggle to get up that high. I can't chance that he'll slip bombers in next turn. No extras on the Lightnings yet. Once I do, I'll move the bulk to the front and let the fragment catch up.

From the above, it looks like at least 3 squadrons of Tojos. Probably another two in China. Given the right circumstances, I can bloody them a bit, if the terms are right. My USAAF guys are getting experienced.

Hornet's at Pearl. 8-12 days in drydock, depending on how many other ships clear out. That's still 10 days ahead of the Lexes. I forgot to , but I'm going to disband the fragments from the dead carriers to the pools.

Another bomber (B-26) squadron at Cape Town. Another five will show up in the next couple weeks or so. I'll be thick in bombers in India before I'm done. At this point, I can probably quit sending more that way.

A CVE (Copahee) is due at Tacoma in two days. I'm tempted to dump the replenishment squadrons on her into the pool also.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/11/2014 8:36:33 PM

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I'll put my guys up tomorrow. I'm trying to get at least a third of them over 30,000 ft, with layers at 20k and 15k. Most of the planes I have in the area struggle to get up that high. I can't chance that he'll slip bombers in next turn. No extras on the Lightnings yet. Once I do, I'll move the bulk to the front and let the fragment catch up.

Best chance you have of getting good results from CAP on Japanese sweeps is to have as many planes in CAP at different layers as possible. The Ki-44IIa is better than any single plane you have for CAP (P-38's thus excluded) but when 27 Tojo's face 200+ fighters it can even the odds a bit. If that means not being able to defend every base with CAP so be it; IJA bombing is only so powerful in the face of AAA and lots of engineers.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/12/2014 12:29:42 AM

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That's generally how I work.

My USAAF pilots are getting good. I wish I had some of my Aussie pilots over there. They've been training most of the game and are in the 60s and 70s now.

If I can approach him experience-wise, it'll get better. I've bloodied him a few times there.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/13/2014 2:34:20 PM

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20 August 1942

Due for an update.

CF's moving a sub north again. My MLs ran him over a bit.

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ASW attack near Bombay at 34,24

Japanese Ships
SS I-157

Allied Ships
ML No. 202
ML No. 187
ML No. 201

SS I-157 is located by ML No. 202
I-157 bottoming out ....
ML No. 202 fails to find sub, continues to search...
ML No. 201 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Bombay at 34,24

Japanese Ships
SS I-157, hits 7

Allied Ships
ML No. 187
ML No. 202
ML No. 201

All the hits were "soft" ones with "sub damaged" in the messages. One fire was present, too. I don't know what his damage tolerance is with subs, so we'll see if she stays around.

Yesterday, he had another go at Wuchang. If I can't push it over the top, I guess he can't either.

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Ground combat at Wuchang (84,51)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 41175 troops, 312 guns, 40 vehicles, Assault Value = 1349

Defending force 125450 troops, 422 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2225

Japanese adjusted assault: 1027

Allied adjusted defense: 1013

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2800 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 613 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 37 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1216 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 94 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Division
22nd Division
58th Division
2nd Ind.Mixed Regiment
12th RGC Temp. Division
18th RGC Temp. Division
13th Army

Defending units:
18th Chinese Corps
10th Chinese Corps
79th Chinese Corps
53rd Chinese Corps
87th Chinese Corps
44th Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
20th Chinese Corps
73rd Chinese Corps
99th Chinese Corps
74th Chinese Corps
26th Chinese Corps
66th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
4th Heavy Mortar Regiment

Units continue to arrive in Chungking, despite the siege. I'm over 3,000 AVs now.

Copahee's a day out of Tacoma, bound for Pearl. I've withdrawn the SBDs and kept the fighters on board for now.

I have a precious new AR out of Panama bound for Pearl. Not sure where to go yet. Midway is tempting to help with bigger repairs there. Dutch Harbor and Midway are my main sub bases, with lesser amounts running out of Suva and Brisbane. Japan's pretty thoroughly covered right now, along with Formosa.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/13/2014 4:17:09 PM

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I'm still mulling over the carrier fight.

I was too depressed at the time to look at the details.

My CAP didn't do a bad job -- especially on the second AM strike. Zekes went down in 2-1 ratio. His attack pilots were good enough not to be rattled by the losses. Often times, they'll simply miss on their attacks after getting hit. All his extra light carriers added enough CAP to make it hard for me to punch through.

Maybe I should just have a bunch of fighter equipped CVEs along at 100% CAP.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/13/2014 4:35:30 PM

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Just a small note on the aircraft replacements. Its very easy to circumvent the 12 planes a week limit.

Glad to see you keep on fighting! Who needs CVs anyway?!

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/13/2014 5:03:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mundy

20 August 1942

Due for an update.

CF's moving a sub north again. My MLs ran him over a bit.

All the hits were "soft" ones with "sub damaged" in the messages. One fire was present, too. I don't know what his damage tolerance is with subs, so we'll see if she stays around.

From my own sandboxing of battles I know that "I" boats usually take at least 30 "soft hits" or 3 "penetrating" hits and survive with HD. From there it depends on die rolls whether they can limp back to port or not. For the 7 soft hits with a fire, I figure it will have 10 system damage, but will be able to repair 5 points at sea.

"R" boats seem to be more fragile as they are smaller coastal subs not meant to dive as deeply (i.e. the hull is not as strong). Figure 20 soft hits or two penetrating hits to put an R boat in peril.

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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder - 12/13/2014 10:45:14 PM

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By "damage tolerance", I was wondering how far he'd let damage build up before pulling them. I tend to yank boats out with 5 sys. I think my guess to actually is in line with yours. Usually a couple sys and a flt per "light" hit.

21 August 1942

Another shot at Canton.

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Ground combat at Canton (77,59)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 43893 troops, 395 guns, 82 vehicles, Assault Value = 1555

Defending force 25550 troops, 236 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 279

Japanese adjusted assault: 1140

Allied adjusted defense: 377

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
632 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 51 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
524 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 66 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st Ind.Inf.Group
116th Division
10th Garrison Unit
Hong Kong Def Force
56th Division
33rd Division
20th RGC Division
Canton Special Base Force
4th Air Division
32nd JNAF AF Unit
1st JAAF AF Coy
21st Mortar Battalion
47th JAAF AF Bn
2nd JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
14th Chinese Corps
2nd Prov Chinese Corps
62nd Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
6th Chinese Corps
16th Group Army
57th AT Gun Regiment

Once I get driven out, I'll hole up at Wuchow -- see if I can get a good buildup there.

Forgot to mention...

My TF delivering the engineers to Lord Howe got hit a couple tines by Betties on the way back, the last time two hexes off the Australian coast. I'll be looking at LRCAPping after this, or using APDs.

Another B-18 unit at Cape Town boxed up for India. I have excess destroyers at Aden, so I'm pre-positioning them to catch the convoys when they get on map. A destroyer and corvette from Karachi are also on the way out.

I'll have lots of bombers in India before I'm done. I'll probably dedicate P-38s to escort duty with them. Maybe I can have a second Lightning squadron up and running before they all get there.

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