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RE: Just Makes Me Mad... - 9/4/2014 1:57:31 AM

geofflambert

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Yeah, well the police need jobs too. And the lawyers, and the judges, and the corrections officers and the parole officers. Are you some sort of Canadian Commie?

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RE: Just Makes Me Mad... - 9/4/2014 2:59:32 AM

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Isn't that the only kind of Canandian!!

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RE: Just Makes Me Mad... - 9/4/2014 9:34:33 AM

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the problem is that the good old USA with it's enormous incarceration rates has created a large sub-culture of inmates

Blaming the prison system never leads to anything remotely addressing the issue at hand. Criminals are not created in prison. Sure they train, practice and get better at being criminals in prisons, but outside the walls is where they make the decision to go bad. It is society as a whole that breeds the scum we see in the world today.

The society we live in today is pretty much an unaccountable one, from the President on down to the lowly panhandler, the entire system is rigged to avoid holding anyone accountable for anything unless law enforcement goes through herculean efforts to catch the bad guys. The result is we see hundreds of thousands if not millions of young people making the life choice every year that a life of crime does in fact pay off and lead to early and easy riches.

If society was far more accountable and prison terms were served in full, there would be far fewer examples of scumbags who got away with it roaming the streets to impress young people into becoming scumbags. Then you�d see the numbers of dirt bags in the world begin to decline, but until that happens the prison system will be over-crowded far into the future.

The sad truth is even with the system full to bursting, the average criminal only serves about 20-40% of their sentence behind bars. Criminals laugh about how easy it is to do time, to them it�s a joke not a deterrent.

Jim

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RE: Just Makes Me Mad... - 9/4/2014 11:32:59 AM

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... I see, Bullwinkle is Renfro, struggling to rebuild his own shattered life.

No, he is a different character.

Alfred

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RE: Just Makes Me Mad... - 9/4/2014 11:51:01 AM

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... I see, Bullwinkle is Renfro, struggling to rebuild his own shattered life.

No, he is a different character.

Alfred

And you would know, on both counts.

(Alfred may have bought the last paper & ink copy ever sold.)

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RE: Just Makes Me Mad... - 9/4/2014 2:36:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

quote:

ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot
the problem is that the good old USA with it's enormous incarceration rates has created a large sub-culture of inmates

Blaming the prison system never leads to anything remotely addressing the issue at hand. Criminals are not created in prison. Sure they train, practice and get better at being criminals in prisons, but outside the walls is where they make the decision to go bad. It is society as a whole that breeds the scum we see in the world today.

The society we live in today is pretty much an unaccountable one, from the President on down to the lowly panhandler, the entire system is rigged to avoid holding anyone accountable for anything unless law enforcement goes through herculean efforts to catch the bad guys. The result is we see hundreds of thousands if not millions of young people making the life choice every year that a life of crime does in fact pay off and lead to early and easy riches.

If society was far more accountable and prison terms were served in full, there would be far fewer examples of scumbags who got away with it roaming the streets to impress young people into becoming scumbags. Then you�d see the numbers of dirt bags in the world begin to decline, but until that happens the prison system will be over-crowded far into the future.

The sad truth is even with the system full to bursting, the average criminal only serves about 20-40% of their sentence behind bars. Criminals laugh about how easy it is to do time, to them it�s a joke not a deterrent.

Jim

+1
We are no longer responsible for our own actions. It's been that way since at least the 60s and has led us to where we are today. Everyone has an excuse or a label from a doctor to blame their poor life choices on.

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RE: Just Makes Me Mad... - 9/4/2014 7:59:00 PM

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... I see, Bullwinkle is Renfro, struggling to rebuild his own shattered life.

No, he is a different character.

Alfred

Oh, I see, he's the EVIL one!

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RE: Just Makes Me Mad... - 9/5/2014 3:52:44 AM

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I see it. I don't have a dang Kindle. I still order wood pulp. My brother is a writer, mostly Sci-Fi. He teaches creative writing in college. I'd give you his name but he doesn't want to be exposed as a gorn.

If you have a smart phone or a tablet there are free Kindle apps that turn it into a reader.

I'm going to check it out. Read some info on the book. Looks good....GP

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RE: Just Makes Me Mad... - 9/5/2014 12:38:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: General Patton

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I see it. I don't have a dang Kindle. I still order wood pulp. My brother is a writer, mostly Sci-Fi. He teaches creative writing in college. I'd give you his name but he doesn't want to be exposed as a gorn.

If you have a smart phone or a tablet there are free Kindle apps that turn it into a reader.

I'm going to check it out. Read some info on the book. Looks good....GP

I have tried to make a Dropbox link to the map artwork that was included in the paper copy, but is not in the e-book. Picture worth a 1000 words and all that. My first try with Dropbox.

There are three maps: an overview at the state level of the area covered by the plot, a site view of the prison, and a detail view of the Access Area. All are to scale. I own the rights to each (paid artists.) They are in various file formats, but should be viewable on most computers.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x0lpj4xo4xdtp16/AAAgalkcDV-2ZJ836N_2tnb-a?dl=0

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RE: Just Makes Me Mad... - 9/5/2014 1:37:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: General Patton

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I see it. I don't have a dang Kindle. I still order wood pulp. My brother is a writer, mostly Sci-Fi. He teaches creative writing in college. I'd give you his name but he doesn't want to be exposed as a gorn.

If you have a smart phone or a tablet there are free Kindle apps that turn it into a reader.

I'm going to check it out. Read some info on the book. Looks good....GP

I have tried to make a Dropbox link to the map artwork that was included in the paper copy, but is not in the e-book. Picture worth a 1000 words and all that. My first try with Dropbox.

There are three maps: an overview at the state level of the area covered by the plot, a site view of the prison, and a detail view of the Access Area. All are to scale. I own the rights to each (paid artists.) They are in various file formats, but should be viewable on most computers.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x0lpj4xo4xdtp16/AAAgalkcDV-2ZJ836N_2tnb-a?dl=0