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RE: Jan20th PoW reached Cape Town - 10/31/2014 11:07:58 AM   
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RE: Jan20th PoW reached Cape Town - 10/31/2014 11:18:44 AM   
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Everything was kind of OK until it got that "engine room open to sea" event. We will see what happens, even if it survives; with that level of damage we are talking at least a couple years to repair. Of course this is still better than losing 202 VPs


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RE: Jan20th PoW reached Cape Town - 10/31/2014 4:06:17 PM   
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Jan 21st 1942: Aleutians - 11/1/2014 1:00:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is how the Aleutians look today Jan 21st 1942. The Aleutian islands are a secondary theater, and as such, it will receive only some minimal reinforcements

My idea is to focus the defense in Umnak (airbase) and Dutch Harbor (port), with just enough troops on Adak to make it somehow costly to invade





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RE: Jan 21st 1942: Alaska - 11/1/2014 1:29:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		And this is Alaska/ Canada's west coast. They will be supporting the Aleutians





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RE: Jan 21st 1942: Alaska - 11/1/2014 2:50:51 PM   
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Some forumites have posted that moving Canada Command there helps get supply accumulation in PR. I have not find that necessary if I use the supply draw buttons.

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RE: Jan 21st 1942: Alaska - 11/1/2014 3:47:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think all BFs, but most; I have there:
- Pendleton BF
- Calgary BF
- Edmonton BF
- Regina BF
- Terrace BF
- Canada Command --> I also read that... and since I didn't need it in Vancover, here it is
- 14th Canadian Brigade
-42 Base Group (this one is waiting for transports: it will likely go to Umnak)

Port is 3.55
Airfield is 2.69
Fort is 2.88
all building

83,000 supplies, 15,000 fuel

I have Winnipeg, Kamloops and Nelson BF at Vancover... I think I will move them to PR next turn



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Jan 22, 1942 highlights - 11/1/2014 11:12:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jan 22th, 1942:
PresterJohn sent his cruisers south of Java. Thanksfully, there were few vessels there:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Loemadjang at 52,113, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Atago
CL Sendai
DD Asashio
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki
DD Isonami
DD Uranami
DD Shikinami
DD Ayanami

Allied Ships
xAKL Soerabaja, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Parigi, Shell hits 17, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Schouten, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

Day Time Surface Combat, near Port Hedland at 54,123, Range 25,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Atago
CL Sendai
DD Asashio
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki
DD Isonami
DD Uranami
DD Shikinami
DD Ayanami

Allied Ships
xAK Whangpu, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


3 xAKLs, 1 xAK lost.


Darwin: He keeps beating it. Although I have moved everything out... And I have a surprise for him next turn

Afternoon Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
13 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb








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RE: Jan 22, 1942 The Coral Sea - 11/1/2014 11:38:55 PM   
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I have plenty of Cruisers and DDs on Brisbane, but KB-2 (Shokaku, Zuikaku, Hiryu, Soryu) makes any raiding attempt very dangerous




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Jan 23 Repulse didn't make it - 11/2/2014 1:18:09 PM   
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After a couple more turns of "extensive flooding", Repulse sunk. At least the chapter is now over.

Some turns ago, I started a secret carrier operation; with the Marshalls as the target. I will add a lot more details, but for the time being I am just monitoring the whereabouts of KV-2

My carriers were detected (level 4) by a submarine, and I think this triggered the end of his Australian forays (which is good)



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RE: Jan 23 Repulse didn't make it - 11/2/2014 1:21:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is where my carriers are; I am certain KB-2 is too far away to intercept.
That said, the lack of surprise means he will likely move out all premium targets out of Kwajalein





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RE: Jan 23 1st USN carrier action - 11/2/2014 2:24:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		The veil is completely off... both the CV-TF and raider companions where found !!

Raleigh TF was found by submarine I-18 on hex 146,107 near Taongi

Japan air search found the carriers and boldly attempted to stop it with Nells... they failed miserably

I counted :
3 Zeros shot down, 5 damaged
5 Nells shot down, 1 damaged


Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Maloelap at 143,117

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
G3M2 Nell x 6

Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 14
F4F-3 Wildcat x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
G3M2 Nell: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
VF-2 with F4F-3A Wildcat (4 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
8 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-3 with F4F-3 Wildcat (4 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-6 with F4F-3 Wildcat (4 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
12 planes vectored on to bombers






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RE: Jan 23 1st USN carrier action - 11/2/2014 5:01:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is how the Marshalls operation looks on Jan 24th.
I will get the turn later today; there is a dim chance of carrier vs carrier action on next turn (Jan 25th) if he goes "full speed"; however, I doubt it as I have been tracking his movements since he was in Australia (east of Cairns).
He can't have enough fuel to risk a full speed charge





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RE: Jan 24th: hairy day for USN carriers - 11/2/2014 8:10:59 PM   
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I still don't have the turn, but I have been seriously bitting my nails during the combat replay

Lets start with the sad part. CL Mauritius and DD Witte de Witt got sunk trying to escape Java. These 2 were damaged many turns ago and where getting repaired at Soerabaja

Last turn they were spotted near Buitenzorg. and this turn a cruiser fleet intercepted and destroyed them:
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Buitenzorg at 46,99, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma
CA Kumano, Shell hits 3
CL Jintsu
DD Maikaze
DD Nowaki
DD Arashi

Allied Ships
CL Mauritius, Shell hits 21, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Witte de With, Shell hits 13, and is sunk

Then, the hunter become the hunt; CL Raleigh got torpedoed by I-22

Sub attack near Maloelap at 138,115

Japanese Ships
SS I-22

Allied Ships
CL Raleigh, Torpedo hits 1
DD Aylwin
DD Dewey
DD Worden
DD Dale

Most likely he will have to go east at full speed

Then, Carrier action!!

1st: 20 zeroes and 8 2E naval bombers attacked the carrier TF.
No damage to the ships
It was a tie on the air, with Zeroes doing a great job escorting, but taking damage
afterwards, most bombers were shot down

2nd: 2 zeroes, 21 bombers (I think they got the splits wrong )
No damage to the ships
3 or 4 bombers shot down

3rd: Afternoon strikes; Maloelap was cancelled due to weather. Jaluit didn't yield anything interesting.
One dive bomber was shot down

Morning Air attack on TF, near Maloelap at 135,118

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
G3M2 Nell x 4
G4M1 Betty x 4

Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 11
F4F-3 Wildcat x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
G3M2 Nell: 3 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Lexington
CL Honolulu

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
VF-2 with F4F-3A Wildcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
VF-3 with F4F-3 Wildcat (0 airborne, 18 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Maloelap at 137,116

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
G3M2 Nell x 21
G4M1 Betty x 9

Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Raleigh
DD Aylwin
DD Dale
DD Dewey
DD Farragut

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
4 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
9 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
VF-2 with F4F-3A Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 103 minutes

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Afternoon Air attack on Jaluit , at 134,120

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 15
F4F-3 Wildcat x 14
SBD-3 Dauntless x 54

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Port hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Port Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
10 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
6 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
10 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Port Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Port Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb




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RE: Jan 24th: hairy day for USN carriers - 11/2/2014 8:36:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		The main reason for this carrier raid was to test the Marshall's defenses. I can say without any doubt that they passed the test outstandingly: They got A+

I was neither expecting so many 2E bombers nor was I expecting to see "veteran" fighter pilots on Zero planes. In all my early calculations, I saw the KB as the only serious threat, with the Marshall defenses as negligible: Claudes, trainee pilots, etc

I will withdraw; although, due to the IJN bombers' range, there will most likely be another round coming tomorrow

EDIT: Another lesson: always bring some additional TFs; this way there is a chance for some "mismatched" raids... I am very happy only 8 bombers went for the carriers while 30 went for a CL and 6 destroyers

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RE: Jan 24th: hairy day for USN carriers - 11/2/2014 9:25:34 PM   
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Looks like you accomplished what you set out to do, now for the clean getaway!

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RE: Jan 24th: hairy day for USN carriers - 11/2/2014 9:41:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IdahoNYer

Bold man, very bold.



Yes, but the kind of boldness best explained by Thucydides:

“Ignorance is bold and knowledge reserved.”



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RE: Jan 24th: hairy day for USN carriers - 11/3/2014 1:02:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nells and Betties have a huge transfer range - around 56 for Nells and 69 for Betties.
After discovering your CVs in the area during the attack on the 23rd, it was easy to fly in more bombers to take you on.
Nice that your fighters were able to down so many of them!

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RE: Jan 25th: Marshalls operation ended - 11/3/2014 8:05:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		On Jan 25th, the carriers and the cruiser/ destroyers raiding the Marshall islands left the operational area. This at full speed and, so far, uneventfully. They will all change to mission speed and refuel in Johnston island. There is a fleet of tankers waiting them. After refueling, they will go back to Pearl. I will rebase more Catalinas to avoid any surprises, and I might send Yorktown to rendez-vous just to be in the very safe side.

Unless something unusual occur in the next couple turns, the raid is over. Some important lessons learnt:

- Never underestimate the capabilities of the Japanese forward operating bases; this is not an AI game!

- Take into account the possibility of fast reinforcement arriving soon after; this holds very true for the long ranged IJN

- Do not assume his decision making processes are the same as mine. This requires some explanation: If I were the Japanese player spotting a raid (and since this was Jan-42, this was clearly a raid and not an invasion). the way I would have handled it would had been completely different:
1st: I would had sent away, at full speed, any naval vessel that had a chance to get out of the incoming CV raid
2nd: Then move out airplanes, except those capable of search and CAP.
3rd: If not already there, then rebase fighter planes to important bases and keep them at 100% CAP range =0 ideally these bases have good AA
4th: KB, if close, should try to intercept; ideally from the flank.

My rationale here would had been to reduce the loses against very difficult odds. As last turn proved, trying to defeat a carrier TF CAP and AA defenses with relatively few (couple dozens) 2E bombers will yield very high casualties (I counted around 25 to 30 planes shot down). I would, of course, had taken the chances if this was a real invasion, but Jan-42 made it clear this was a simple raid.
In my books, the odds of getting the carriers were too low vs the cost of 20something planes. This is in part why I didn't see the forward bases as a risk to my carriers. Playing against me, they wouldn't had been a serious risk. Of course PresterJohn had a different point of view

The results of the operation:
Allied losses: Around 4 Wildcats and 1 Dive bomber. CL Raleigh torpedoed but damage was light.
Japanese losses: Around 6 Zeros and 20 2E IJN bombers
KB-2 left NE Australia





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Jan 26: Flying Tigers rule over Pegu - 11/5/2014 4:10:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jan 26, 1942: Not a lot happened.

The USN carrier TF that raided the marshall islands is getting closer to Johnston, they should finish refueling tomorrow; then they will support the damaged Raleigh until it reached PH.
Lots of submarines trying to ambush; hopefully my ASW and naval search will keep them on the defensive.

Burma:
He started bombing Rangoon and Pegu a couple turns ago; I don't have anything valuable there, as I evacuated almost every LCU; keeping only the worst of the Burmese infantry.
I have just enough troops on Rangoon and Pegu to pass the garrison requirements and hopefully to make PresterJohn believe I am seriously defending it.
I also left the AVG ground echelon and AVG/1st sqn on Tongoo to try to catch bombers; which is precisely what happened this turn on Pegu:

1st unescorted raid: I counted 9 of 12 Sallys shot down

Morning Air attack on 4th Burma Rifles Battalion, at 55,53 (Pegu)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 12

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 7 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
AVG/1st Sqn with H81-A3 (14 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
14 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 15000.
Raid is overhead

2nd unescorted raid: I counted 5 of 9 Lilys shot down
Morning Air attack on 4th Burma Rifles Battalion, at 55,53 (Pegu)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 9

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
AVG/1st Sqn with H81-A3 (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes

Then, the raid that could had been

I sent two cruiser TFs to the Coral Sea: each with 2 CA, 1 CL, 7 DDs.
This was possible, of course, because KB-2 left the area to pursue my carriers in the Marshalls.




The TF on the right is mostly Australian; they were supposed to raid the Rennell island invasion fleet... I guess they didn't want to go so far away
The TD on the left is American, they reacted to something but didn't press too hard. Detection level is 8 and KB-2 might be coming back soon, so I decided to abort and return to base



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Jan 27: I ordered retreat !!! - 11/5/2014 11:27:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I ordered retreat... and Yes, this goes to you RADM Wilhelm Friedell. I ordered you to withdraw at full speed with 0 react.
I did not order you to charge a Japanese Battleship and escorting cruisers and destroyers!!
Moreover, I selected you for this operation, because of your perceived low aggressiveness... This was not the day to prove the world they misunderstood you. I ordered retreat !!
Unless of course you were simply negligent on following the order. How is it possible that an old, slower battleship TF; located 2 hexes from your location could had caught you; your cruisers were more than 5 knots faster!




Night Time Surface Combat, near Milne Bay at 101,134, Range 10,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
SOC-1 Seagull: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 5
CA Aoba, Shell hits 1
CL Kitakami
CL Tenryu, Shell hits 2
CL Tatsuta, Shell hits 1
DD Mutsuki
DD Kisaragi
DD Yayoi, Shell hits 2
DD Mochizuki
DD Yuzuki
DD Hayate
DD Sawakaze, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Yukaze

Allied Ships
CA Louisville, Shell hits 1
CA Pensacola, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
CL Leander, Shell hits 2
DD Ralph Talbot
DD Gridley, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Alden, Shell hits 1
DD Barker, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Bulmer
DD Edsall
DD John D. Edwards, Shell hits 2, on fire

Improved night sighting under 78% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 78% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 10,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 10,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CA Pensacola at 10,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages CA Louisville at 10,000 yards
CA Louisville engages CL Tatsuta at 10,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages DD John D. Edwards at 10,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages CL Kitakami at 10,000 yards
DD John D. Edwards engages DD Yukaze at 10,000 yards
DD John D. Edwards engages DD Sawakaze at 10,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD John D. Edwards at 10,000 yards
DD Gridley engages DD Sawakaze at 10,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Ralph Talbot at 10,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD John D. Edwards at 10,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD John D. Edwards at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages CA Pensacola at 8,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages CA Louisville at 8,000 yards
CL Leander engages CL Tenryu at 8,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD John D. Edwards at 8,000 yards
DD Edsall engages DD Hayate at 8,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Bulmer at 8,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD John D. Edwards at 8,000 yards
DD John D. Edwards engages DD Yuzuki at 8,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Ralph Talbot at 8,000 yards
DD Gridley engages DD Kisaragi at 8,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Bulmer at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages DD John D. Edwards at 7,000 yards
CA Louisville engages CA Aoba at 7,000 yards
CL Leander engages CA Aoba at 7,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD John D. Edwards at 7,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CA Louisville at 7,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD Bulmer at 7,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Ralph Talbot at 7,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Alden at 7,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD Gridley at 7,000 yards
DD Ralph Talbot engages DD Hayate at 7,000 yards
DD John D. Edwards engages DD Yayoi at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CA Pensacola at 6,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Louisville at 6,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CL Leander at 6,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD John D. Edwards at 6,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CA Pensacola at 6,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages DD Yukaze at 6,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD Barker at 6,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Alden at 6,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Gridley at 6,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Ralph Talbot at 6,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Barker at 6,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Alden at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CA Pensacola at 7,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CA Louisville at 7,000 yards
CA Louisville engages CL Tatsuta at 7,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages CA Pensacola at 7,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CA Louisville at 7,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Barker at 7,000 yards
DD John D. Edwards engages DD Hayate at 7,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Gridley at 7,000 yards
DD Alden engages DD Yayoi at 7,000 yards
DD Alden engages DD Kisaragi at 7,000 yards
DD Alden engages DD Mutsuki at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
CL Tatsuta engages CA Pensacola at 10,000 yards
CA Louisville engages CL Tatsuta at 10,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CL Leander at 10,000 yards
DD John D. Edwards engages DD Yukaze at 10,000 yards
DD Edsall engages DD Mutsuki at 10,000 yards
DD Barker engages DD Sawakaze at 10,000 yards
DD Alden engages DD Yukaze at 10,000 yards
DD John D. Edwards engages DD Yuzuki at 10,000 yards
DD Alden engages DD Mochizuki at 10,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Barker at 10,000 yards
DD Edsall engages DD Kisaragi at 10,000 yards
DD Barker engages DD Mutsuki at 10,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CA Pensacola at 12,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CL Leander at 12,000 yards
CL Tatsuta engages CA Pensacola at 12,000 yards
CA Louisville engages CL Tenryu at 12,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Edsall at 12,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD Gridley at 12,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Alden at 12,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Gridley at 12,000 yards
DD Mochizuki engages DD Ralph Talbot at 12,000 yards
DD Barker engages DD Kisaragi at 12,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Barker at 12,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CA Pensacola at 12,000 yards
CL Tatsuta engages CA Louisville at 12,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages CL Leander at 12,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages DD John D. Edwards at 12,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages DD Edsall at 12,000 yards
DD Bulmer engages DD Mochizuki at 12,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Barker at 12,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Alden at 12,000 yards
DD Gridley engages DD Sawakaze at 12,000 yards
DD Mochizuki engages DD John D. Edwards at 12,000 yards
DD Barker engages DD Yayoi at 12,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD John D. Edwards at 12,000 yards
DD Barker engages DD Mutsuki at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CA Pensacola at 10,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Louisville at 10,000 yards
CA Pensacola engages CL Tatsuta at 10,000 yards
DD John D. Edwards engages DD Kisaragi at 10,000 yards
DD Mochizuki engages DD Edsall at 10,000 yards
DD John D. Edwards engages DD Yukaze at 10,000 yards
DD Barker engages DD Mochizuki at 10,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Alden at 10,000 yards
DD Yuzuki engages DD Barker at 10,000 yards
DD Ralph Talbot engages DD Yuzuki at 10,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Barker at 10,000 yards
DD John D. Edwards engages DD Kisaragi at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
CA Pensacola sunk by BB Yamashiro at 8,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CA Louisville at 8,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages CA Louisville at 8,000 yards
CA Louisville engages CL Kitakami at 8,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Bulmer at 8,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD John D. Edwards at 8,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Alden at 8,000 yards
DD Yuzuki engages DD Barker at 8,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Ralph Talbot at 8,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD Gridley at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
CL Leander engages CA Aoba at 9,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD John D. Edwards at 9,000 yards
DD Edsall engages DD Mutsuki at 9,000 yards
CA Louisville engages CL Kitakami at 9,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD Barker at 9,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Alden at 9,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Gridley at 9,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Ralph Talbot at 9,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD John D. Edwards at 9,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD Barker at 9,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Gridley at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages DD Barker at 11,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CL Leander at 11,000 yards
CA Louisville engages CL Tatsuta at 11,000 yards
DD Edsall engages DD Hayate at 11,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Bulmer at 11,000 yards
DD Gridley engages DD Yukaze at 11,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Barker at 11,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Barker at 11,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Ralph Talbot at 11,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Ralph Talbot at 11,000 yards
DD Barker engages DD Kisaragi at 11,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Barker at 11,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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RE: Jan 27: I ordered retreat !!! - 11/5/2014 11:49:22 PM   
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He probably decided to refuel some hungry destroyers before hightailing it. Well, could have been worse....was the IJN TF on a react or heading somewhere and Friedall just got in the way?

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RE: Jan 27: I ordered retreat !!! - 11/5/2014 11:56:08 PM   
Jorge_Stanbury


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Status: offline 		Adm Getting; you also didn't follow my order to withdraw. Although in your defense, you did so to protect a retreating USN TF.
Moreover, although your gunnery was horrendous, I witnessed your bravery and high fighting spirit under the superior, accurate fire of the Japanese foe.
What a long battle




Day Time Surface Combat, near Milne Bay at 100,137, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 6
CA Aoba, Shell hits 1
CL Kitakami, Shell hits 2
CL Tenryu
CL Tatsuta, Shell hits 5
DD Mutsuki, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kisaragi
DD Yayoi, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Mochizuki
DD Yuzuki
DD Hayate, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Sawakaze, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Yukaze

Allied Ships
CA Australia, Shell hits 2
CA Canberra, Shell hits 3, on fire
CL Perth, Shell hits 5
DD Paul Jones, Shell hits 1
DD Whipple, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Peary
DD Voyager, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Banckert, Shell hits 4, heavy fires
DD Van Ghent, Shell hits 1
DD Le Triomphant, Shell hits 3, heavy fires

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 20,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CA Australia at 20,000 yards
CA Australia engages CL Kitakami at 20,000 yards
CA Australia engages DD Kisaragi at 20,000 yards
CA Australia engages DD Mutsuki at 20,000 yards
Getting, F.E. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range closes to 14,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CA Canberra at 14,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Peary at 14,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Yuzuki at 14,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Paul Jones at 14,000 yards
DD Voyager engages DD Kisaragi at 14,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages DD Mutsuki at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
CL Tatsuta engages CA Canberra at 11,000 yards
CA Canberra engages CA Aoba at 11,000 yards
CL Tatsuta engages CL Perth at 11,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Mutsuki at 11,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CA Canberra at 11,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Whipple at 11,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages DD Hayate at 11,000 yards
DD Voyager engages DD Yuzuki at 11,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages DD Mochizuki at 11,000 yards
DD Whipple engages DD Yayoi at 11,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages DD Mutsuki at 11,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CA Canberra at 11,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CA Australia at 11,000 yards
CL Tatsuta engages CA Australia at 11,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD Le Triomphant at 11,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CA Australia at 11,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Yukaze at 11,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Sawakaze at 11,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Peary at 11,000 yards
DD Yuzuki engages DD Whipple at 11,000 yards
DD Mochizuki engages DD Le Triomphant at 11,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Banckert at 11,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD Paul Jones at 11,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Mutsuki at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CA Australia at 9,000 yards
CA Australia engages CA Aoba at 9,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CL Perth at 9,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Le Triomphant at 9,000 yards
DD Van Ghent engages DD Mochizuki at 9,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Yukaze at 9,000 yards
DD Voyager engages DD Mutsuki at 9,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Mutsuki at 9,000 yards
DD Whipple engages DD Yukaze at 9,000 yards
DD Mochizuki engages DD Voyager at 9,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Kisaragi at 9,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Peary at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CA Canberra at 13,000 yards
CL Perth engages CA Aoba at 13,000 yards
DD Yuzuki engages DD Le Triomphant at 13,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CL Perth at 13,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD Paul Jones at 13,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Peary at 13,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Banckert at 13,000 yards
DD Yuzuki engages DD Banckert at 13,000 yards
DD Yuzuki engages DD Paul Jones at 13,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages DD Yayoi at 13,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Kisaragi at 13,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Peary at 13,000 yards
Range increases to 16,000 yards
CL Tatsuta engages CA Canberra at 16,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Australia at 16,000 yards
CL Tatsuta engages CL Perth at 16,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages CL Perth at 16,000 yards
DD Van Ghent engages DD Hayate at 16,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Yukaze at 16,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD Voyager at 16,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Hayate at 16,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Whipple at 16,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Mochizuki at 16,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Yayoi at 16,000 yards
DD Whipple engages DD Kisaragi at 16,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Van Ghent at 16,000 yards
Range increases to 17,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CL Perth at 17,000 yards
CA Australia engages CL Tatsuta at 17,000 yards
CL Tatsuta engages CL Perth at 17,000 yards
CA Canberra engages CL Tenryu at 17,000 yards
DD Van Ghent engages DD Mutsuki at 17,000 yards
DD Van Ghent engages DD Yukaze at 17,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Sawakaze at 17,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Hayate at 17,000 yards
DD Van Ghent engages DD Yuzuki at 17,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Paul Jones at 17,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Le Triomphant at 17,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD Le Triomphant at 17,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Van Ghent at 17,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CA Canberra at 17,000 yards
CL Tatsuta engages CA Australia at 17,000 yards
CL Perth engages CL Tatsuta at 17,000 yards
DD Yuzuki engages DD Le Triomphant at 17,000 yards
DD Van Ghent engages DD Mutsuki at 17,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD Banckert at 17,000 yards
DD Voyager engages DD Sawakaze at 17,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Hayate at 17,000 yards
DD Yuzuki engages DD Paul Jones at 17,000 yards
DD Mochizuki engages DD Le Triomphant at 17,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Yayoi at 17,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Kisaragi at 17,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Mutsuki at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards
CA Canberra engages CL Tenryu at 15,000 yards
CA Australia engages CL Kitakami at 15,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CL Perth at 15,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Yukaze at 15,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD Van Ghent at 15,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD Van Ghent at 15,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Hayate at 15,000 yards
DD Yuzuki engages DD Banckert at 15,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Mochizuki at 15,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Yayoi at 15,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CA Australia at 13,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Canberra at 13,000 yards
CA Australia engages CL Tatsuta at 13,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Le Triomphant at 13,000 yards
CA Canberra engages CL Kitakami at 13,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD Peary at 13,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Voyager at 13,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Hayate at 13,000 yards
DD Whipple engages DD Kisaragi at 13,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages DD Mutsuki at 13,000 yards
DD Van Ghent engages DD Yayoi at 13,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD Paul Jones at 13,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Mutsuki at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CA Canberra at 11,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CL Perth at 11,000 yards
CL Tatsuta engages CL Perth at 11,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages DD Le Triomphant at 11,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CL Perth at 11,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD Voyager at 11,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Banckert at 11,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Peary at 11,000 yards
DD Yuzuki engages DD Paul Jones at 11,000 yards
DD Yuzuki engages DD Paul Jones at 11,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD Peary at 11,000 yards
Obata, Chozaemon orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range closes to 9,000 yards
BB Yamashiro engages CA Canberra at 9,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Canberra at 9,000 yards
CL Tatsuta engages CL Perth at 9,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages DD Le Triomphant at 9,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages DD Van Ghent at 9,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Yukaze at 9,000 yards
DD Voyager engages DD Sawakaze at 9,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Banckert at 9,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD Whipple at 9,000 yards
DD Mochizuki engages DD Banckert at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
CA Canberra engages CL Tatsuta at 10,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Canberra at 10,000 yards
CL Tatsuta engages CL Perth at 10,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages CA Canberra at 10,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD Peary at 10,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Paul Jones at 10,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Hayate at 10,000 yards
DD Whipple engages DD Mochizuki at 10,000 yards
DD Mochizuki engages DD Paul Jones at 10,000 yards
DD Voyager engages DD Kisaragi at 10,000 yards
DD Mutsuki engages DD Voyager at 10,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
CA Canberra engages CA Aoba at 14,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Australia at 14,000 yards
CL Perth engages CL Tatsuta at 14,000 yards
CL Tenryu engages CA Canberra at 14,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CA Canberra at 14,000 yards
DD Yukaze engages DD Banckert at 14,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Banckert at 14,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Voyager at 14,000 yards
DD Hayate engages DD Whipple at 14,000 yards
DD Paul Jones engages DD Mutsuki at 14,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Kisaragi at 14,000 yards
Range increases to 20,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Australia at 20,000 yards
CL Perth engages CL Tatsuta at 20,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Yayoi at 20,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Yukaze at 20,000 yards
DD Banckert engages DD Sawakaze at 20,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages DD Peary at 20,000 yards
DD Van Ghent engages DD Yayoi at 20,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages DD Van Ghent at 20,000 yards
DD Le Triomphant engages DD Mutsuki at 20,000 yards
Range increases to 24,000 yards
CA Canberra engages CL Tatsuta at 24,000 yards
CL Perth engages CA Aoba at 24,000 yards
CL Perth engages CL Tatsuta at 24,000 yards
CL Perth engages CL Tenryu at 24,000 yards
CA Canberra engages DD Yukaze at 24,000 yards
CL Perth engages DD Sawakaze at 24,000 yards
CL Perth engages DD Yuzuki at 24,000 yards
CA Canberra engages DD Mochizuki at 24,000 yards
CA Australia engages DD Yayoi at 24,000 yards
CA Canberra engages DD Mutsuki at 24,000 yards
Range increases to 27,000 yards
CA Canberra engages CL Tenryu at 27,000 yards
CA Aoba engages CA Australia at 27,000 yards
CA Canberra engages CL Tatsuta at 27,000 yards
CA Australia engages CL Tenryu at 27,000 yards
CA Australia engages CL Kitakami at 27,000 yards
CA Australia engages DD Yukaze at 27,000 yards
CA Aoba engages DD Voyager at 27,000 yards
CA Canberra engages DD Yuzuki at 27,000 yards
CA Canberra engages DD Kisaragi at 27,000 yards
CA Canberra engages DD Mutsuki at 27,000 yards
Getting, F.E. orders Allied TF to disengage
Task forces break off...

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RE: Jan 27: I ordered retreat !!! - 11/6/2014 12:05:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IdahoNYer

Gotta love the cyber admirals!

He probably decided to refuel some hungry destroyers before hightailing it. Well, could have been worse....was the IJN TF on a react or heading somewhere and Friedall just got in the way?


I agree it could had been worse. It was an interesting operation that of course did not go as I planned, in any way.

This started several turns ago; as soon as KB-2 left the area (remember I was raiding the Marshalls with 3 carriers), I sent these 2 TFs to try to see what they could fetch.
A turn ago, I tried to have the Australian intercept an invasion on Rennell island while the American's work as bait to the Japanese BB force on Fergusson island (north of Milne bay) --> map situation is a couple posts before).
It didn't work, the Australians simply ignored my order and the Americans got a very high detection level. which is why I decided to withdraw. Knowing the high risk, I even ordered the Americans to go full speed, precisely to avoid the kind of situation that occured

At the very least, I think he lost one or two destroyers and his TF will need to withdraw to rearm, refuel and repair some minor damage.

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Jan 28: zzzzzz - 11/6/2014 12:48:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I forgot to mention; Ambon fell on Jan 27; this after the longest most heroic defense I have seen so far. They held to numerous bombings (naval and air); at least 10 to 15 assaults.

Jan 28 was very quiet: only highlight was that DD Banckert sunk at sea. This was the most heavily damaged ship from yesterday's battle. I don't have the turn yet to see if Le Triumphant's fire are now under control. Last turn it was at around 45. The fact it didn't sink is a good signal

What else:
I am having the worst luck with submarines: Dutch or British are doing nothing, or better to say they are always spotted by escorts; while the Americans are launching, to good targets (I had many cruirsers, one AR, one big tanker, etc)but it is always "hit but no explosion" and then because he has been careful enough to always have escorts; there is no chance for a second round or a deck gun attack.
That said, his submarines are also underperforming. other than Raleigh last couple turns ago, and low value *AKs/ *AKLs he has not done any harm in a long time.

There are 4 or 5 big convoys soon to reach their destinations (Brisbane, PH and Suva). I will update once they reach safety. In a couple turns I will have, at last, a credible air defense on Australia!








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RE: Jan 28: zzzzzz - 11/6/2014 3:20:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I operate my subs in pairs in each TF so that if one misses/duds out, the other often also gets a shot. I have even had a sub sink an escort that had just finished its attack (lost contact) on the other sub in the TF. Sweet revenge.

There are a few good commanders in the Dutch sub fleet, but you run out of good ones before you can staff up all the subs. I have one Dutch sub commander with 47 Naval and 71 Aggression - a reckless idiot - but the best available from the commanders available. Obviously, the best commanders should go to the O-boats and the higher K-boats that have 10000 nm range and 533 mm torpedoes.

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RE: Jan 28: zzzzzz - 11/6/2014 3:32:21 PM   
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quote:

I operate my subs in pairs in each TF so that if one misses/duds out, the other often also gets a shot.


That's a heck of an interesting idea BBfanboy. I think I'll give that a try in my game - having the same issues as here. Increased Jpn awareness to the sub threat, and employing countermeasures early on is quite a difference in PBEM vs. an AI game. Add that to lousy torps, and results are well below expectations.

Good sub drivers certainly help too!

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RE: Jan 28: zzzzzz - 11/6/2014 4:53:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IdahoNYer

That's a heck of an interesting idea BBfanboy. I think I'll give that a try in my game - having the same issues as here.




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RE: Jan 28: zzzzzz - 11/7/2014 1:17:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I will certainly try it; thanks!

Going back to the convoys; I am happy to inform that the following groups safely reached Brisbane in the last couple turns:

- 35th PG/70th PS --> 18 P-36s soon to be changed to P-400 or P-38
- 35th PG/39th PS --> 25 P-39s
- 35th PG/41th PS --> 25 P-39s
- 35th PG/40th PS --> 25 P-39s
- 22th BG/ hqs -----> 4 B-26
- 22th BG/ 2nd RS --> 10 B-26
- 22th BG/18th RS --> 10 B-26
- 22th BG/33th RS --> 10 B-26
- 22th BG/19th RS --> 10 B-26

- 24th, 38th, 35th, 43rd BFs
- 216th AA
- 193 Tank Bt
- II US Fighter Command

Reached PH:
- 164 Inf Regiment --> they will change to combat Op Mode and move as amph to either Suva, New Caledonia or Australia

Suva:
24th Inf Division will arrive tomorrow

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Jan 29: zzz - 11/8/2014 1:07:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not a lot happening in Jan 29th; just the usual: small xAKL loses, Allied submarines failing to score, small invasions

Some highlights:
- The CV and raider TFs will be inside PH defense perimeter next turn.

- Tarakan coastal guns got one AK on heavy fires.

- KV Chilliwack hit SS I-8 12 times and I saw some nasty messages like "taking heavy damage" , "control room on fire". I have detached 2 KVs from the transp TF to do ASW one turn; maybe they will caught him again

- DD Le Triumphant didn't win this time she sank last turn after multiple floodings

- Some interesting Intel: 31/48th Division planning for an attack on Calcuta how reliable is this?
Does it means there are 31 fragments? is he loading a division into barges?? hard to believe as he controls Singapore... or maybe he just don't have enough good transports in HK ? ...anyway, I think I would send some submarines to HK.. maybe I will find a huge invasion force

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