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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/11/2015 11:31:20 PM

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In the last AGS screenshot, were you hoping to close a pocket east of Vinnitsa? Your two panzer divisions will get cut off easily by the AI. The pocket at Vinnitsa might even be broken by the rifle division 3 hexes east of the city, if it can move to the hex just SE of your SS division. Granted, all those Russian units will be lost -- eventually -- but this kind of delay is what really hurts the German drive during Blitzkrieg season. Basically, what I am trying to say is this: when you form a pocket, form a pocket. You want it to hold tightly. Facing weak and dispersed opposition you can usually get away with splitting some divisions into regiments in order to get a more secure perimeter around the pocket.

What route is your southern FBD taking?

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/12/2015 12:54:12 AM

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"In the last AGS screenshot, were you hoping to close a pocket east of Vinnitsa?".

Yup.

"Basically, what I am trying to say is this: when you form a pocket, form a pocket. You want it to hold tightly."

Good advice. Although...

"Granted, all those Russian units will be lost -- eventually -- but this kind of delay is what really hurts the German drive during Blitzkrieg season."

Truthfully, for better or worse, I WANT the Soviets to not run and turn around and fight me. I want to encircle/destroy as many units as I can - ALL other objectives being secondary, which includes Leningrad, Kiev, what not. I don't care - I just want to bag as many as I can.

I only move east when I lose contact with the enemy and/or I need to unhinge their defensive line, because waiting will make it more expensive later.

For better or worse, am following the original Barbarossa plan to destroy the Soviet military with basically no other objectives.

"What route is your southern FBD taking?".

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/12/2015 1:12:06 AM

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Southern FBD = the one that started with 11th army at the Rumanian border. Should be moving through Ukraine somewhere.

With pockets, ideally you form one during one turn, then clean it up the next, and that territory has been secured (as well as lots of Russians taken POW). Then you need to keep moving east, because if you have very much of a pause the Russians can build up a thick line that is hard to crack due to sheer inertia. The key to success in 1941 is keeping the Russians off balance so they never have a chance to regroup. Granted this is much easier said than done, but that is the ideal.

For example, consider the Bialystok pocket you make in the first turn with AGC. Ideally, you would have units which form the pocket (most of your motorized and panzer units), some infantry held back to clear the pocket the next turn (though this one is so big it usually takes two), while you move most of your infantry forward past the pocketed units so that they can support the armored units ASAP. The theory is to be as economical as possible so that you can move most of your units, especially the infantry forward -- because your armored units will need infantry support after the first 2 or 3 turns, especially with major river crossings.

Yes, as you said, you want the Russians to try to hold and fight. But when they do, you also want to pocket and destroy them as quickly as possible and with the minimum of troops necessary for the job.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/12/2015 1:35:56 AM

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"Southern FBD = the one that started with 11th army at the Rumanian border. Should be moving through Ukraine somewhere."

It's going east from the Chernovstsy railline. It is now at 66, 95.

Of course yours truly has not noticed that that line DOES NOT continue east but goes north from 67, 95... but there were worse mistakes in this playthrough already.

"With pockets, ideally you form one during one turn, then clean it up the next, and that territory has been secured (as well as lots of Russians taken POW)."

I have issues with that, as pockets take me more than 1 turns to clean up, due to the sheer amount of enemy units bagged.

But yes, that is the ideal. Of course, if I pull off a REALLY big pocket...

"Yes, as you said, you want the Russians to try to hold and fight. But when they do, you also want to pocket and destroy them as quickly as possible and with the minimum of troops necessary for the job.".

I think I believe that you are under the impression that you are following a GOOD player of this game.

Let me assure you, that is definitely NOT the case

But somehow or other I do keep the Russians off balance, although - "if you have very much of a pause the Russians can build up a thick line that is hard to crack due to sheer inertia" - IS a big danger to the Axis in 1941.

We shall have to see how the "pocket first, advance later" strategy pans out vs the Stallin' AI. Remember, all is at 100-100, but the blizzard is on FULL - no pansin' out here

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/13/2015 11:03:27 PM

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Updates are coming.

It's just that Der Newbie... is traumatized.

I am now on turn 33, and since the blizzard started... it... it is relentless. The Soviet AI has released all its pent up aggression from 1941 into late 1941 and January 1942. My savegames explain what is going on:

27 relentless assault
28 heroic defense
29 romania stronk
30 we hold line
31 i am tired
32 jesus
33 begins let it end

I might need to start drinking.

Heavily.

Edit: Beginning Turn 35 now.
Even though my troops got encircled twice during the blizzard, I always had enough "oomph" to break the encirclement and route the Soviet westernmost units.

The Romanians are amazing. The Italians were never routed and hold the line. We ALL hold the line - it is amazing.

Although if I played vs a human with the full blizzard rules, I would be dead.

PS
When.... when does... when does this blizzard end. A blizzard cannot last for months, I mean come on!

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/14/2015 2:10:57 AM

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The first winter penalty rules hold through February 1942; last of those turns is 37 if I remember correctly. In March you might have blizzard weather somewhere but there are no special penalty rules. Your units and your CVs will start to recover during February. Don't give up hope as you have already been through the worst. It will start to get better very soon. Good luck.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/14/2015 4:20:45 AM

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Thank You kindly, Jwolf. It is a battering but surprisingly the damage is... not bad, actually. But we'll get to it when we get to it.

For now, Turn 7
The Plan

Pocket, pocket, pocket. Anything else is secondary.

AGN
We have trapped quite a few Soviet units and skillfully used Lake Peipus as a force multiplier.

We have made the pocket secure, although the Stavka clearly has designs to break through and rescue their units - look on that 11=45 stack of doom!

Will our guys hold?

Significantly, no progress towards L-grad. At all. We are sputtering about in the same place. Then again, the directive is "pockets", so we are making pockets.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/14/2015 4:26:09 AM

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AGC

Right. Remember last turn when Der Newbie had a nervous breakdown when he noticed JUST HOW MANY enemy units there are at Smolensk? Stavka is not stupid, and they know that the shortest and easiest route to Moscow is through Smolensk.

And they have massed.

We have actually turned the defense line inside out, and cut off a mass of Soviet units from their supply and rear services.

This is pretty brazen stuff!

In fact, so brazen that DNF has noticed that there is NOTHING protecting the northern flank AT ALL. All those juicy airfields just waiting to be ravaged by the northern shoulder Soviet units...

This is pretty stupid stuff!

What happened is that to blow open the front and to attempt to create the mega pocket, I had to use a lot of units and do it somewhat skillfully to pull it off.

We will see what happens (seriously, I forgot what happened, and this is a VERY interesting situation for both sides at Smolensk).

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/14/2015 4:31:10 AM

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AGS

Last but not least.

AGS has pulled a few fancy moves of its own, and have trapped a ****load of enemy units, cutting them from the rear, C3 and supplies.

It is not secure, but it is surely giving Stavka a headache.

The Romanians are doing their thing, advancing into contact on a broad front after disposing of the border/delaying detachments.

Turn 7 thoughts
Audacious play! Although also could be characterized as... very brazen and risky!

We shall see how Stallin and his cronies react. Wonder if it's still the dull witted Timoshenko commanding ("herp derp I can do setpiece battle, what's all this modern fast moving units stuff bah humbug!?") OR did Zhukov ("the butcher") take over?

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/14/2015 4:38:37 AM

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Railroad labor and grand strategic overview

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/14/2015 4:43:02 AM

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Question - most Soviet divisions are of the 1=1 variety (i.e. 1 attack 1 defense).

But in the L-grad area (as an example) there is a 3=9 one, and of course the doom stack of 3 rifle divisions with 11=45.

Now a fort helps a defensive rating, but a 3 division Soviet force with 11 attack is pretty nifty at turn 7.

My question is: Where did this come from? Can Soviet rest/refit units and get them uber morale/exp? Or does Stavka get some divisions which are clearly better in morale/experience than others? Where the heck do these monsters come from, and so early?

They could just ruin my fun, you know...

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/14/2015 4:52:44 AM

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Ja, ja, ja, that's what I am talking about!

Two tank, one motorized, a bunch of infantry and fortified regions for good measure. All of it takes its toll on enemy troops and artillery and and tank numbers.

Every turn we have had a GOOD HAUL of enemhy units (except for Turn 5, but we were catching our breath before the new kessels were made).

Seriously, this screen became an obsession with me every turn.

FYI, Soviets have lost 1,119,777 troops so far to all causes, 69K killed, 830K captured.
They have lost 8163 AFV and 2743 SP and cars, and we have captured 13777 enemy trucks which are EXCELLENT and much better than the French junk or even our Opels we use.

On the debit side we have lost 86,666 troops (OK, I am not a superstitious Der Newbie, and don't do numerology much but...

) and 683 AFV and 127 SP and AC.

"Only" 20,888 men killed, though, 64K+ disabled, which is... pretty spiffy.

All in all am satisfied with the game so far, although ominously and despite DNF protestations that "only pockets matter" we DO want to be moving East and take L-grad in 1941... and we are not moving fast enough.

The RHG is a useless command and I just attached the security guys to OKH.

They were split up and different regiments went to different cities to keep "ordnung" and keep those pesky partisans away.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/14/2015 5:38:14 AM

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quote:

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Question - most Soviet divisions are of the 1=1 variety (i.e. 1 attack 1 defense).

But in the L-grad area (as an example) there is a 3=9 one, and of course the doom stack of 3 rifle divisions with 11=45.

Now a fort helps a defensive rating, but a 3 division Soviet force with 11 attack is pretty nifty at turn 7.

My question is: Where did this come from? Can Soviet rest/refit units and get them uber morale/exp? Or does Stavka get some divisions which are clearly better in morale/experience than others? Where the heck do these monsters come from, and so early?

They could just ruin my fun, you know...

the 11 Cv stack is most likly made up by 4+4+3 cv divisions .

A unit with 48-52 morale and near 100% toe is that strong .
in the south you usualy get some 56 morale divisions, those can go up to 5 cv .

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/14/2015 7:26:38 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Timotheus

Question - most Soviet divisions are of the 1=1 variety (i.e. 1 attack 1 defense).

But in the L-grad area (as an example) there is a 3=9 one, and of course the doom stack of 3 rifle divisions with 11=45.

Now a fort helps a defensive rating, but a 3 division Soviet force with 11 attack is pretty nifty at turn 7.

My question is: Where did this come from? Can Soviet rest/refit units and get them uber morale/exp? Or does Stavka get some divisions which are clearly better in morale/experience than others? Where the heck do these monsters come from, and so early?

They could just ruin my fun, you know...

There are two sources for these high cv units, but the problem really is the mis-representation of the 1941b TOE for the Soviet rifle division in the game.

As Gabriel B. says, one source is the high morale units scattered around the Soviet set up. Incredible as it seems there was a logic to the Soviet OOB in June 1941. In effect Western and South-Western Fronts were designed for independent operations (without high command reinforcement) so as to stop and carry out limited counter-attacks on any invasion. The units assigned to the designated armies were basically those who would do the stopping and the units in the corps that report to the Front were the local counter-attack force. The ideal was the Front commander had a powerful reserve to hand that could be allocated to the point of most value. The reality was rather different, not least that Soviet command and control just couldn't cope with modern warfare.

But in those independent corps are some very powerful, high morale rifle divisions.

The second source is the Siberians sent west (remember that in early 1941 the Red Army's elite units were on the Japanese border). If you open the Soviet reinforcement schedule you'll see these as arriving with 10-12,000 men, lots of guns etc (compared to the heavily reduced stuff that is the hastily raised replacements for those units you are eating up in the pockets). I doubt the AI makes much good use of them, probably just adds them in piecemeal. A Soviet player should look out for them and put them into separate armies (you get enough to form the core of 2 armies), they will have high cv/morale, committed as part of the winter offensive can give the Germans a real headache.

The problem is the 1941b TOE. This was designed in early 1941 and is, as represented, a very good infantry TOE, its relatively well balanced, relatively efficient in its force allocation. But while it was notionally introduced in the Summer of 1941, the reality of the war meant that few units really converted, and certainly did not fill out to the notional strength. Its become a bit of a regular routine with the Soviets to put the high morale units on refit, combined with the 1941b gets you the 'wall of steel' so often lamented (usually by German players who abuse HQBU and Lvov etc). I believe that 1.08.2 is going to sort this out by putting in place a realistic rather than theoretical 1941b TOE.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/14/2015 1:13:31 PM

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Incredible as it seems there was a logic to the Soviet OOB in June 1941.

Loki, I loved this line.

Back to the game: the southern pocket will probably take another turn to close securely, but then on turn 9 you should wipe out a large group. Nice going! In the center, that is one place where splitting your units into regiments could make a better pocket (that is, more secure). You have two motorized divisions from 3rd Panzer Army guarding the east side of the pocket; if they were split, you could have an "iron curtain" which would prevent the Russian infantry division just to the east from walking up to the space between them, thereby opening the pocket. Now it's true that you can't seal a pocket with regiments if the Russians have a significant counterattacking force, but in this case it looks like they don't really have much right there.

Your FBD moving through or near the swamps is pretty much wasted there; IMHO a much better place for it would be in the northern part of AGS, for example, Rovno-Zhitomir-Kiev.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/15/2015 12:34:49 AM

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"Incredible as it seems there was a logic to the Soviet OOB in June 1941."

Well, yeah.

Like I have written before, the Red Army was in an offensive posture, finalizing 'Groza', with the main assault to go into Romania to get to Ploesti and cutoff Germany from those oilfields. Secondary axis of advance was from the Bialystok Salient and other points on the Soviet-Russian border to tie up the German army in Poland or "General Gouvernment" if you will.

That's why the best Soviet divisions were near Romania and why the Bialystok and Brest-Litovsk were packed to the brim with tanks, artillery, airplanes, troops, and all of this was NOT dug in - from a defensive point of view total madness... from an offensive preparation view... well, the Germans were doing the same thing - getting airplanes, artillery, hospitals, supplies, oil depots RIGHT AT the border...

It is sad that the history of WW2 is unknown in Western countries and that complete idiots like glantz et al are considered as "historians of WW2".

A mass of Russian books came out based on the fact that during Perestroika and then the Yeltsin years access to the archives was allowed, and so the offensive plans came out, as well as other interesting facts - for example, that the Stalingrad Operation was a SECONDARY effort, designed to tie up German forces and keep them from the MAIN one at Rzhev.

Or Richard Sorge's, "Ramsay", successful operation as a "agent of influence" network which worked tirelessly to turn Japanese aggression from USSR and onto the Western Allies.

Or... well, there really is too much to talk about. It is a pity that those Russian books that came out during Perestroika and yeltsin years were never translated into English, and now with Putin in charge the "Great Patriotic War" version is back in vogue, and anyone who questions this is unpatriotic and liable to have some difficulties.

I would recommend to read Solonin, Pleshakov, Gerasimova and of course Suvorov/Rezun, who started the ball rolling.

Oh hey, watch this:
March of the Liberators

Toodles

Back to game - yikes, so a 50 morale division (which is not elite by any means for the Axis in the game, with many divisions haveing 80 or even 90 morale) fully equipped is THAT strong?

Mercy me, so what happens when the evacuated factories start producing their ****? I think I know the answer...

Re: Jwolf - at this point I was not a master of the cauldron. Actually, right now AS OF THIS POINT I am not a master, either

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/15/2015 2:01:44 AM

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Hi Tim,

Quite amazing. Lots of stuff out of the box, as true as any other "history". Much more so in my opinion.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/15/2015 2:52:28 AM

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NVM......

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/15/2015 2:12:10 PM

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Ouch mega pocket of soviet troops in the center.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/16/2015 10:17:58 AM

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Loki probably meant 41a , 41b is a reduced toe implemented in aug 1941.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarossa (aka ... - 1/17/2015 12:59:03 AM

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Pressed the AI button to bomb airfields 3 times.

I think the results were OK.

You've pretty much wiped out your own air force here. The 120 on support and attack effectively mean no units will
fly to support your troops.
Percent required to fly is Ok for the initial wave of airbase bombings but you want to kick it up
to 40% minimum after you bomb airfields at the beginning of your turn give some time for your damaged
aircraft to return to your units. Ground support at 120 means you wont get any ground support at all
and that'll lose you battles. if your units are operating at 20% the odds of reaching 120% of establishment
are nil. Remember you're setting the minimum number of your air units total TOE that it will operate at.
running escort and intercept at 40% is ok for Germans bad for Russians. But 10% airfield escort is suicidal
for bombers because that's where enemy fighters live and opposition will be heavy interdiction attack and
escort can be low the value of that attack is to disrupt movement and you want to hit as much as you can
40% is great City attack you want only full strength units to maximize damage and don't worry about
scout escorts unless you want to draw out enemy fighters

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/17/2015 1:09:45 AM

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Hold the presses!

This newb has learned a momentous thing!

You see, when your turn is active and you are the one moving your units, they are marked like so:

5-10, where the first number is the Combat Value and the second number is the movement points.

But enemy units are marked with the "=" sign, like so:

2=9, where the first number is the attacking strength and the second number is the defensive strength.

Yes, I did not know that, I just winged it.

Now I press "Z" key all the time.

And now, on with the show!

watch it those numbers AND your combat effectiveness are influenced by the recon level of the hex

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/19/2015 1:37:05 AM

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"Ouch mega pocket of soviet troops in the center."

Yes, yes, yessss... daddy likes!

"You've pretty much wiped out your own air force here. The 120 on support and attack effectively mean no units will
fly to support your troops".

Yep.

But no support ONLY on turn 1, which I believe has such severe anti-Soviet penalties that it does not matter. Later on I get lots of support, because a German fighter unit which is at partial strength beats handily or at least handles roughly two Soviet air units.

"Ground support at 120 means you wont get any ground support at all
and that'll lose you battles."

Really?

I have been getting lots of air support in my battles? Weird. As for airfield bombing, that was only done on turn one and I have never done it again.

I have never done city attack, either, what's the point?

"watch it those numbers AND your combat effectiveness are influenced by the recon level of the hex."

Yup, keep forgetting, that the numbers I see are not necessarily the truth... this is NOT a boardgame, this is a computer game, and we all know computers lie to us and are evil (Skynet - "I'll be back"

).

Y'all gotta forgive me for my lame jokes, I am a lame jokes kinda guy. I figure if my wymyn suffer so should you, ya bastids

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/19/2015 1:41:43 AM

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Turn 8 AGN

Continuing on, we have cleaned up the pocket - there were some Soviet divisions trapped by our panzer/motorized boys, and now there aren't any.

We have battled continuously to get closed to Leningrad. We only stopped attacking when our forces stopped routing the enemy and were HELD and SCOUTED. The guys must be exhausted by now...

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/19/2015 1:48:52 AM

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8 AGC

You liek pockets? I liek pockets! We all leik pockets! Even more than ice cream, which the godless Sovyet communists surely do not know exist.
Our troops know gut German ice cream, therefore they fight better.
They like that ice cream cold, our German troops fight better when they are cold after eating the gut German ice cream.

Don't ask, my jokes are getting TRULY lame.

On the other hand, check out that pocket.

Those are not just NKVD troops, there are tank and motorized and cavalry divisions in the kessel. 52nd tank division, 209th motorized, 51st tank, 37th Cavalry, 208th tank, 41st tank, as well as a Rifle division and some NKVD troops.

But perhaps... just perhaps... the XXXIX Corps (codename: "Der Yellow Sting!") got a little bit ahead of themselves... They are a bit far from the rest of the boys...

On the positive note, check out THAT pocket! Oh, and also Der Newbie has shored the northern flank somewhat, so that the center of AGC and our airfields are not to be overrun by the enemy.

I think that the Soviet AI has missed an opportunity here to really give me trouble, it really is not attacking at all.

Aaaaaand... wasn't the pocket a little bit bigger and the enemy divisions in it a little more numerous? Me thinks that I have heard a lot of "vroom vroom" noises which perhaps meant enemy divisions escaping from our grasp.

Still, not a bad haul.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/19/2015 1:53:46 AM

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8 AGS

AGS does its thing, and by that I mean they pull a good pocket. Look at that 7=12 3rd tank, 204 motorized and 14th tank divisions.

Reckless Stallin' told the Stavka to hold the line and this is the result.

Stallin' is not stalling us too much, haha... hah... ha...

Should I stop with the jokes?

But... Der Newbie thinks he is heeeee-larious

The Romanians do their TING, slowly and methodically moving eastwards...

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/19/2015 2:02:22 AM

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Turn 8 Deep Thoughts

Der Newbie is partying hard at the Newbie-schanze - party hats for everyone, distributed by (Lo)Keitel! Some of the OKH and OKW fuddy daddies didn't like it, but Goering loved it and promised to design a new "party hardy!" uniform for our next meeting, complete with him wearing stockings and high heels, oh my!

Meanwhile, the Finns have cleaned up their border from enemy border/NKVD detachments but have not moved forward. Mannerheim will play it cool and does not want any attrition, apparently, and will move when Leningrad falls.

We are doing guuuuut!

One thing to note: All three Axis Army Groups are doing their own thing - there is no support nor working together between them whatsoever. It is basically three separate wars that the Axis are fighting here.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/19/2015 3:20:27 AM

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AGN: In general, if your forward troops (here, 4th panzer army) are getting worn down, try to pull them back for a turn of rest. You'll be surprised how much their CV will improve. Of course that costs time, so you have to weigh the cost and benefit. But if you run into a stiff wall it often makes sense to pull the mobile units back and let the infantry assault the wall to clear space for your now well rested mobile units.

AGC: Your pocket SE of Smolensk is very easy for the Russians to break with just movement and no attacks. They have a triple stack immediately east of Das Reich. All they have to do is move one of those SW and then move up one of the ones in that same line one space NE and supply will be restored to your kessel. It would have been wiser IMHO to hold back the furthest advanced units of 3rd panzer to secure this pocket at that space and also at the SE edge where the Russians might be able to restore contact with a cav division.

AGS: No complaints here, this time you bagged those Russians securely. Nice work.

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/19/2015 5:46:45 AM

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"AGC: Your pocket SE of Smolensk is very easy for the Russians to break with just movement and no attacks. They have a triple stack immediately east of Das Reich. All they have to do is move one of those SW and then move up one of the ones in that same line one space NE and supply will be restored to your kessel. It would have been wiser IMHO to hold back the furthest advanced units of 3rd panzer to secure this pocket at that space and also at the SE edge where the Russians might be able to restore contact with a cav division. "

True, true.

Especially looking at the "Der yellow stinger" dudes way too far south and away from everybody just hanging there.

"AGN: In general, if your forward troops (here, 4th panzer army) are getting worn down, try to pull them back for a turn of rest. You'll be surprised how much their CV will improve."

Every turn is precious during 1941 for the Axis, although the best result for the AGN was AFTER I rested my motorized/panzer guys. Although if you want to see a GOOD player PLAY, you are in a WRONG place

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa - 1/19/2015 2:36:00 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Timotheus

Every turn is precious during 1941 for the Axis, although the best result for the AGN was AFTER I rested my motorized/panzer guys.

That's exactly the problem the real German forces faced. The Soviet steamroller in 1944 can operate by alternating armies turn after turn, giving them time to rest. The Germans just can't do that (not as much, anyway) as they don't have nearly the numbers for it. So you have to compromise a bit at each end; managing that is exactly the art of the blitzkrieg. I don't mean to say I know how to do this perfectly -- I certainly do not -- but I am certain of my diagnosis of the strategic problem.

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