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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/9/2018 1:20:14 PM   
Filitch


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/9/2018 4:39:15 PM   
Dysta


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EDIT: Poor source, deleted.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/9/2018 8:53:17 PM   
Tailhook

 

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/10/2018 12:38:20 AM   
Dysta


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ORIGINAL: Tailhook

That isn't even remotely a trustworthy source. An "expert on endangered species" commenting on foreign affairs in memespeak? And opening with false flag accusations? Why do you waste our time with stuff like that?

LiveUA just don't stop quoting the whole event since the chemical attack until now, and I got no time to put them together. I really doubt it's a false flag either, but when it involved with lots of deaths, an action will surely be done like what what Israel did already.

But I have read it again, it really is not a good media, too subjective and just pile up with other tweets that only poke Trump.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/10/2018 1:09:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rongor
The distance to Tiyas is about 130 NM from the northern Israeli border and still around 80 NM from the Baalbek area up north in Lebanese airspace.
So the CMANO-DB is rather pointing on the Delilah loitering missile, launched by some F-16...


The distance doesn't look that bad. It was said to be planes flying over the sea, entering the sky over Lebanon and leaving in 10 or so minutes.


As for the CMANO-DB it definetly doesn't have everything. Could be Popeye Turbo indeed, but doesn't really make sense (could have taken other routes with less AA).
Could have been upgraded Popeye II that has range 150km (80nm). Could as well been live test of the revealed 2 years ago "Sky sniper" with suggested range of 250km (135nm). Could of course be the Delilah missiles per the russian MOD, but that 30kg warhead causing such damage and casualties makes it doubtful.
http://www.iai.co.il/Sip_Storage/FILES/3/41693.pdf

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/10/2018 11:11:29 AM   
kevinkins


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Status: offline 		Where we are with the Syria/Russia situation and possible military options (light on operational details). The article uses the term escalation several times.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/here-how-russia-america-could-go-war-syria-25292

This just breaking:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-09/us-navy-destroyer-armed-tomahawks-arrives-syrian-coast-harassed-russian-warplanes

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/russia-has-figured-out-how-jam-u-s-drones-syria-n863931


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/10/2018 2:20:31 PM   
bazjak

 

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Status: offline 		All this Syria stuff could have been stopped in its tracks had the Labour leader of the time had backed PM Cameron on a no-fly zone in 2013
He said he was which gave the hope that he would side with the government and when it came to the vote he would not back Cameron (i bet Corbyn had something to do with it no doubt)
Because the British didn't back a no-fly zone the Americans decided against going it alone
That war could have been stopped before it really got started
So you can blame the Labour party for all the trouble and with the pro-russion leader of the party we have in charge now god forbid if the people are daft enough to vote him in

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/10/2018 4:14:08 PM   
Gneckes

 

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/10/2018 4:19:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gneckes

Well we can only hope that Trump won't fire the shot that is heard around the world.


Well, that's kind of a flip statement. Why don't you describe what you mean in detail and outline your actual concerns?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/10/2018 4:26:29 PM   
Gneckes

 

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For example, US strike kills Russian advisers, Russia attacks US DDG. US retaliates with further strikes against Russian troops and installations, etc. etc.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/10/2018 4:39:20 PM   
jmarso

 

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ORIGINAL: Gneckes

In a word: escalation.
For example, US strike kills Russian advisers, Russia attacks US DDG. US retaliates with further strikes against Russian troops and installations, etc. etc.


It's a tense, risky business, but the result of a Russian attack on a U.S. ship is probably more than Putin truly wants to bite off. That's an immediate Article 5 sort of deal that could potentially get all of NATO into the mix. Of course, that doesn't mean one of his subordinate commanders might not go off and do something stupid. I guess it depends on how well-defined the ROE is for the Russians in Syria. But I'll also say this: anyone who wants to go slinging chemical weapons at civilians had better be ready to reap the whirlwind. Then an even larger question is what can you believe from the media anymore anyway? It's the old Chinese curse- we're living in 'interesting times.'

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/10/2018 4:44:31 PM   
Gneckes

 

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/10/2018 5:15:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		According to this report China has approached Vanuatu about building a permanent military presence in the South Pacific.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/china-eyes-vanuatu-military-base-in-plan-with-global-ramifications-20180409-p4z8j9.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/10/2018 10:45:51 PM   
kevinkins


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Status: offline 		No, the US calls their Russian counterparts on that big red phone and tells them Russia is responsible for getting their forces out of the way. Outside of nuclear war, the US and other NATO allies hold all the cards. Russia will not go nuclear over the middle east. They could have many times before
in my life time. Another angle is that Russia is becoming increasing dependent on military sales. They do not want to be embarrassed, which they will be if they even light up on the US and NATO. There are reports tonight that the UK and France may lead the way for domestic reasons I guess. But perhaps tactically as well. The real question now is "what is everyone fighting over". The only things I can think of is 1. good vs evil 2. the geographic corridor between Iran and the Russian naval base in Syria 3. Saving little kids from gas.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/944260/syria-missile-strike-uk-france-chemical-attack-russia-eurocontrol


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/11/2018 12:31:44 AM   
Dysta


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Status: offline 		I am afraid that if US-Russia clash breaks loose, it will be multi-geographical -- there are some unfinished business in Ukraine, Georgia, Bearing Sea Strait and Kuriles. Those windows for military opportunitists will yank wide open given by their locations.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/11/2018 1:14:07 AM   
Dysta


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ORIGINAL: Lionheart

According to this report China has approached Vanuatu about building a permanent military presence in the South Pacific.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/china-eyes-vanuatu-military-base-in-plan-with-global-ramifications-20180409-p4z8j9.html

"Fake news." In Chinese accent:

http://3g.china.com/act/news/10000169/20180411/32297953.html (simplified Chinese)

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Damage report of Israeli AGMs struck in the T4, the hangar wall is punctured:

https://mobile.twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/983813786435051520

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/11/2018 11:40:17 AM   
kevinkins


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https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2018/04/10/reports-of-us-destroyer-being-harassed-by-russian-jets-in-syrian-waters-are-false-us-navy-says/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ebb-4-11&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/11/2018 11:54:38 AM   
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120885/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/11/2018 5:39:37 PM   
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https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russian-naval-exercises-scheduled-off-syrian-coast-amid-expected-us-airstrike-61136

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/11/2018 5:55:32 PM   
Gneckes

 

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/11/2018 9:17:02 PM   
ExNusquam

 

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ORIGINAL: Gneckes

Just posturing, or setting up advance defenses?

¿Por qué no los dos?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/12/2018 9:39:29 AM   
Dysta


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Status: offline 		Trump is yet to say when to attack Syria, but on the other side of the planet, this naval drill draws some Pro-Independent sympathizers' ire. Some scaremongering media is signaling for another Taiwan crisis:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-11/china-launches-massive-combat-drill-hainan-war-taiwan-becomes-more-probable#section-comments

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/12/2018 1:17:06 PM   
Hongjian

 

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Also, nice close shot of the Type 094A improved Jin-class SSBN (note the rounded sail without any windows like the 093B)






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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/12/2018 1:20:28 PM   
Dysta


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/12/2018 1:26:54 PM   
Hongjian

 

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Dysta beat me to it.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/12/2018 1:27:49 PM   
Dysta


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Fine, I reedit it again.

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Navyreco seems inactive these days, this news is quite curious for me:

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/april-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6123-japan-mod-to-explore-acquisition-of-common-engagement-capability.html



I thought the CEC is giving the guidance correction authority to nearby CEC-capable units (like F-35 guiding SM-6 without Burke), not sending targeting data back to the host. But this one claimed to be CEC by Japan's MoD.

Is it also true?

EDIT:Woops, I have a stubborn thought about so many military acronyms... CEC does work like so, and F-35 taking direct control to SM-6 is a rumor:

https://news.usni.org/2016/06/22/nifcca-expands-sm6-f35



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/12/2018 9:25:03 PM   
ExNusquam

 

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Status: offline 		Is there any significance to Pres. Xi appearing in fatigues as opposed to the Suit/Red Tie? Is it indicative of acting in the role of CMC Chair vs. General Secretary? Or is just a photo op?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/13/2018 1:02:55 AM   
Dysta


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Status: offline 		This could be too hypocritical to tell the possibility, but what kind of US Navy's OOB to overwhelm PLAN's 48 warships/subs, 76 warplanes, and a wanted head of President Xi? Given by a perfect opportunity to terminate him and waste a quadrant of all naval frontliners by put them all in vicinity, if both sides don't triggers nuclear war.

Given by the recent naval review has been reported, many viewers on Twitter and news journals aren't impressed by Xi's show off, and saying how China will never deserve to be a parity of other Navies. For Chinese these comments are just bluffs, but the distaste of Chinese militarily rise by other countries are undeniable:

https://mobile.twitter.com/xinfengcao/status/984457049407766528
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-12/president-xi-says-task-building-strong-navy-has-never-been-more-urgent

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/13/2018 3:59:31 AM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/13/2018 5:50:17 AM   
Hongjian

 

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Type 093A SSN, 093B SSGN and 094A SSBN



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