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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/13/2018 11:36:17 AM

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Not much room for a reactor plant and engine room aft of that humpback. Must be REALLY tight back there. Or a very small powerplant.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/13/2018 11:45:21 AM

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I wonder if there would be a new scenario (or a renewed CMANO LIVE one) about current crisis in Syria, especially interesting since CVN-75 battlegroup left Norfolk today and might be near Syria cost in about a week.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/13/2018 12:20:47 PM

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The Littoral Combat ship program just keeps falling apart, even as we add new hulls.

Navy & Marine Corps having some serious problems as of late ... CVN-78, F/A-18s among others. Starting to look endemic.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/13/2018 3:25:02 PM

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Not much room for a reactor plant and engine room aft of that humpback. Must be REALLY tight back there. Or a very small powerplant.

That fish has 10000t displacement while full-submerged, it may looks small because of the hump draws out a lot of height from the upper hull, but it's surely bigger than any conventional sub. And it doesn't require a lot of room for nuclear sub reactor, it's not a Nimitz.

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More official photos after the review. This one is the "60000 tons of diplomacy".

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/806/41428877341_e7ec431d9d_o.jpg (full res, too big to attach)

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/13/2018 4:38:08 PM

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Not much room for a reactor plant and engine room aft of that humpback. Must be REALLY tight back there. Or a very small powerplant.

That fish has 10000t displacement while full-submerged, it may looks small because of the hump draws out a lot of height from the upper hull, but it's surely bigger than any conventional sub. And it doesn't require a lot of room for nuclear sub reactor, it's not a Nimitz.

Doing a little looking around, I think it's more that the image is foreshortened because of the angle and magnification. Other images and drawings appear more "normal", and correspond to what looks like the power plant length of the SSNs. But I do know exactly how much room is required for nuclear sub propulsion plants. That's why it looked off to me in that picture.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/13/2018 4:40:00 PM

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More official photos after the review. This one is the "60000 tons of diplomacy".

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/806/41428877341_e7ec431d9d_o.jpg (full res, too big to attach)

Cute. They stole that :-) I have a 15 year old poster at work with a front view of a US carrier that says "100,000 tons of diplomacy"

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/13/2018 5:12:20 PM

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quote:

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The Littoral Combat ship program just keeps falling apart, even as we add new hulls.

Navy & Marine Corps having some serious problems as of late ... CVN-78, F/A-18s among others. Starting to look endemic.

I dunno if I'd go as far as endemic, but I do wonder how much of the aircraft issues, at least, can be attributed to resources for long-term maintenance being redirected to or deferred because of the F-35 program. The USAF doesn't seem to have as much of a problem as the Marines, but they also have a bit more money to shuffle around.

The ships, yeah, I dunno. The LCS was a debacle from the get-go, but CVN-78 is still hopefully just dealing with first-in-class issues. Too early to tell for the Zumwalts, methinks, but the reality of those AGS guns are a big black eye.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/13/2018 5:33:18 PM

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Cute. They stole that :-) I have a 15 year old poster at work with a front view of a US carrier that says "100,000 tons of diplomacy"

What surprising me is "90000 tons" has much more search results than "100000 tons", despite the latter Nimitz models have more displacement, a majority of journals doesn't update that quote.

China should take 'Cute' as a compliment, because Queen Elizabeth, Charles de Gaulle, and carrier-wannabe Izumo are also adorable. Yet, given the fact that F-35B are huge ticks compare to Ski-launch J-15, the reason of catapult variant development is very obvious, if too soon to tell the comparability.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/13/2018 5:53:34 PM

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The Littoral Combat ship program just keeps falling apart, even as we add new hulls.

Navy & Marine Corps having some serious problems as of late ... CVN-78, F/A-18s among others. Starting to look endemic.

I dunno if I'd go as far as endemic, but I do wonder how much of the aircraft issues, at least, can be attributed to resources for long-term maintenance being redirected to or deferred because of the F-35 program. The USAF doesn't seem to have as much of a problem as the Marines, but they also have a bit more money to shuffle around.

The ships, yeah, I dunno. The LCS was a debacle from the get-go, but CVN-78 is still hopefully just dealing with first-in-class issues. Too early to tell for the Zumwalts, methinks, but the reality of those AGS guns are a big black eye.

Still not a good trend. KC-46 has got an arm's length of faults, the USAF is refusing F-35 deliveries, the Zumwalts going to sea without ammo for its' most vaunted capability, etc, etc.

I was willing to cut EMALS slack as new system break-in issues. But some of the fundamental flaws in the system, as reported, as just mind boggling. Resolving them are critical to the fielding of new carriers for decades and how/whether that can be done without spending unholy amounts of cash is doubtful.

It's amazing to me that we could have IOC for the F-15 three years after its' first flight and yet the F-35, which first flew in 2006, and after doing nothing but extensive testing for over a decade, is still as shaky as a newborn colt.

You expect problems with new platforms but lengthy development times, cost over-runs and expensive adjustments due to side-by-side production and testing are all having a profound effect on the force.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/14/2018 2:18:34 AM

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The aircraft issues are most likely a result of the lack of money for maintenance and replacement but I�m not sure it has anything to do with the F-35. Over the last 8 years there has been no true budget...only continuing resolutions. So the military received the bare minimum and was forced to stretch out parts and maintenance. You can�t jusy switch money from one program to another. If congress gives $100 million for the f-35, you can�t take $10 million out and buy parts. The military has been screaming for years that they needed money for replacements and spare parts for repairs.

The funding for the f-35 was set along time ago

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/14/2018 5:08:42 AM

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https://m.lenta.ru/news/2018/04/14/perehvat/ (Russian)

SGA intercepted 13 out of approx. 100 of Tomahawks, doubled the amount from last year's strike stated by Mattis.

If SGA did launched the same amount of SAM to counter all the missiles, this will make Tomahawk has 90% penetration rate per one SAM. However given by a very degraded SAM system by several years of civil war and Israeli strikes, the amount of SAM launched is very likely reduced dramatically, making the Tomahawk penetration rate may be even lower.

Still, the advantage of cruise missile is undeniable, if being intercepted, other cruise missiles can change course to hit the missed target. The loss of 13 missiles for US and alliances are surely expected.

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In the meantime, PLAAF also announced an open competition of drone-swarm challenges, including operation routines, formations, obstacle avoidance and more. People speculate it's an direct response to DARPA's military drone swarm research conducted by USAF and US Navy:

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/14/2018 6:17:14 AM

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Apparently, the JASSM and the french MdCN saw their first operational use tonight

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/14/2018 11:30:26 AM

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China should take 'Cute' as a compliment, because Queen Elizabeth, Charles de Gaulle, and carrier-wannabe Izumo are also adorable.

"Cute" was a sarcastic commentary on them appropriating an old poster slogan, and not a commentary on the beauty of the ship at all.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/14/2018 11:56:23 AM

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China should take 'Cute' as a compliment, because Queen Elizabeth, Charles de Gaulle, and carrier-wannabe Izumo are also adorable.

"Cute" was a sarcastic commentary on them appropriating an old poster slogan, and not a commentary on the beauty of the ship at all.

I forgot to add semi-quotation marks to 'adorable'.

Like I said, there are many shortcomings of the rising naval power with the first-ever carrier, especially without proper training or thoughtful experiences from pioneers, whom took practices for a century and becomes the archetype for the world navies.

If China don't do it earlier and faster (not just either one), the gap will only be widen further. Which I've stated that displacement doesn't matter if the efficiency is inferior to the smaller-tonnage, but catapult-installed carriers. Even without catapult like QE, the F-35B will easily outperform J-15 in almost every aspects. This is what China must not get cocky about it.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/14/2018 12:04:39 PM

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Update on the LCS readiness situation:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20088/little-crappy-ship-none-of-the-navys-littoral-combat-ships-may-deploy-in-2018

Interesting unconfirmed but "breaking news" timeline from last night:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20055/united-states-france-and-uk-begin-air-strikes-on-syria-updating-live

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/14/2018 2:12:29 PM

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Despite of the abstain in UNSC, Chinese state spokesman blames the air strike against Syria could leads nowhere but more complications. Urging for fair and objective investigations, and resolve by negotiations. He also keep updating of Chinese safety in Syrian regions.

If Russia's retaliatory response is a huge bluff, then Chinese response would be the most boring to all of the involved:

http://news.china.com/domestic/945/20180414/32310203.html (Simplified Chinese)

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/14/2018 3:52:53 PM

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No one is going to respond to the strike. It was limited and neither the US not Russia has any interest in engaging the other

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/14/2018 6:22:14 PM

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No one is going to respond to the strike. It was limited and neither the US not Russia has any interest in engaging the other

I agree. The attack was for the mass media. more than 100 M$ spent in PR. This attack don not change the course of the war or the fate of the Islamist terrorists (Douma was controlled by Army of Islam...).

They exposed the characteristics of SCALP and Storm Shadow meawhile russian SAMs were silent.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/14/2018 6:40:37 PM

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DefenseNews has a nice article of the operation: Coalition luanches 105 weapons. The article confirms that the B-1 fired the JASSM-ER and were only escorted by a single USMC EA-6B.

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The bulk of U.S. seapower was employed against the Barzah Research and Development Center in Damascus. A total of 57 Tomahawks were fired the at the facility, which the U.S. considered the heart of Syrian chemical weapons program, said spokeswoman Dana White. An additional nine Tomahawks were fired against a chemical weapons storage facility in Homs.
In the Red Sea, cruiser Monterey fired 30 Tomahawk cruise missiles, and the destroyer Laboon fired seven Tomahawks, McKenzie said. In the north Arabian Gulf, destroyer Higgins fired 23 Tomahawks. In the Mediterranean, the French Frigate Longuedoc fired three versions of their variant of the SCALP missile and the Virginia-class submarine John Warner fired six Tomahawk cruise missiles.
This is believed to be the first known combat use of a Virginia-class submarine.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/14/2018 7:09:17 PM

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since CVN-75 battlegroup left Norfolk today and might be near Syria cost in about a week.

This would require them to maintain 32 kts 24/7...

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/15/2018 4:20:01 PM

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https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2018-04/build-island-freedom

Very recent article by the writer Captain Sam Tangredi advocating "Joint Mobile Offshore Bases". There are a lot of unused oil rigs that could be used to counter China (Paracels and Spratleys) at low cost. Not sure if this will ever happen since they might be considered sitting ducks. But it's a short read by a well known author.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/15/2018 4:33:08 PM

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Interesting. Especially since they could be used for refuelling VTOL F-35Bs.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/15/2018 8:14:41 PM

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Not sure if this will ever happen since they might be considered sitting ducks. But it's a short read by a well know author.

Depends on how fortified the rig is. Even it can move like a merchant ship, it still may risk to get hit just like Atlantic.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/15/2018 8:47:11 PM

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Flight Global World Air Forces 2018 inventory:
Here (requires registration):
https://www.flightglobal.com/asset/21905/waf/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/16/2018 3:18:53 AM

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CCTV reported and unveiled one DF-26 brigade, repeatedly confirmed it's the newest ASBM against large surface vessels. Henri also found the document that ASBM is guided with SAR, but still yet to confirm if it's by internal sensor or satellite assisted.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HenriKenhmann/status/985552601730068480

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If airstrike on Syria is getting boring, how about an electronic warfare on SCS? This is the first-ever US Navy pilot being jammed by Chinese EW, and some commenters want to bring this incident with 2 Burke collisions back in 2017 together, conspiring that Chinese has disrupted their routes before their collisions.

Yet, there is no confirmed statement of what Chinese EW been used, or what kind equipment was scrambled:

https://mobile.twitter.com/LyleJMorris/status/985525824043528197

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/16/2018 7:03:42 PM

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CCTV reported and unveiled one DF-26 brigade, repeatedly confirmed it's the newest ASBM against large surface vessels. Henri also found the document that ASBM is guided with SAR, but still yet to confirm if it's by internal sensor or satellite assisted.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HenriKenhmann/status/985552601730068480

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If airstrike on Syria is getting boring, how about an electronic warfare on SCS? This is the first-ever US Navy pilot being jammed by Chinese EW, and some commenters want to bring this incident with 2 Burke collisions back in 2017 together, conspiring that Chinese has disrupted their routes before their collisions.

Yet, there is no confirmed statement of what Chinese EW been used, or what kind equipment was scrambled:

https://mobile.twitter.com/LyleJMorris/status/985525824043528197

Does the PLARF create new brigades for new missile launcher battalions? Or do they swap/add missile battalions to certain brigades.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/16/2018 10:17:20 PM

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Legacy Hornets are done on U.S. Carriers.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20119/navy-f-a-18-legacy-hornets-have-taken-their-last-cruise-aboard-a-u-s-aircraft-carrier

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/17/2018 3:26:17 AM

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DF-26

Does the PLARF create new brigades for new missile launcher battalions? Or do they swap/add missile battalions to certain brigades.

There is no report about the origin, but I believe it's a new brigade, since relocation from old is mostly for IRBM like DF-15 and 16.

More news about DF-26, official PLA news also posted a new article about these ASBM, they are both capable for conventional and nuclear strikes, as well as to be used for land attack. Making it as capable as TEL-Based ICBM like DF-31 and rumored DF-41:

http://3g.china.com/act/military/11132797/20180417/32317421.html (simplified Chinese)
http://www.81.cn/depb/2018-04/16/content_8005627.htm (simplified Chinese)

UPDATE: Official report now has English version:

http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2018-04/16/content_8005761.htm

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The missile system, capable of firing both nuclear and conventional weapons (warheads), is able to conduct rapid nuclear counterattacks and carry out conventional medium and long range precision strikes against important land targets and large and medium-sized ships at sea.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/18/2018 2:13:11 AM

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DF-26

Does the PLARF create new brigades for new missile launcher battalions? Or do they swap/add missile battalions to certain brigades.

There is no report about the origin, but I believe it's a new brigade, since relocation from old is mostly for IRBM like DF-15 and 16.

More news about DF-26, official PLA news also posted a new article about these ASBM, they are both capable for conventional and nuclear strikes, as well as to be used for land attack. Making it as capable as TEL-Based ICBM like DF-31 and rumored DF-41:

http://3g.china.com/act/military/11132797/20180417/32317421.html (simplified Chinese)
http://www.81.cn/depb/2018-04/16/content_8005627.htm (simplified Chinese)

UPDATE: Official report now has English version:

http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/view/2018-04/16/content_8005761.htm

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The missile system, capable of firing both nuclear and conventional weapons (warheads), is able to conduct rapid nuclear counterattacks and carry out conventional medium and long range precision strikes against important land targets and large and medium-sized ships at sea.

Does this mean the DF-26 is a nuclear ASBM? Or are they referring to the other nuclear and conventional non-ASBM versions.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/18/2018 3:32:18 AM

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Does this mean the DF-26 is a nuclear ASBM? Or are they referring to the other nuclear and conventional non-ASBM versions.

The latter. This is why Henri was quite hesitant to separate DF-26 designations. He want to name nuclear version as DF-26B. Other than that, both versions are having the same functionality, so PLARF can use DF-26 to nuke Nimitz if needed.

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