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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/31/2018 2:23:11 AM   
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Z-8L official model unveiled.
Some weeks before, we have spotted a strange new variant of the Z-8 with widened fuselage.


Looks like it is no longer have a boat shape from other Super-Frelon deviratives. Does it mean it will only dedicated for land-use only?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/31/2018 1:56:58 PM   
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Kind of like the evolution of the Sikorsky S61 (SH3), which gradually lost its boat-shaped fuselage and eventually became the CH53.
This variant should turn the Super-Frelon into a EH101 sized helicopter.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/3/2019 10:30:26 PM   
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http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1134436.shtml

Too bad they also have no accurate information about its weight and dimensions. Only that the H-6K can carry one inside its bomb-bay



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/4/2019 1:31:47 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/4/2019 10:49:56 PM   
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The old bigger size bomb for Soviet Tu-16 was 9000 Kg.


Interesting. So, it seems that the MOAB and the FAB-9000 arent so different in terms of weight.
This Chinese bomb here is suppossedly a FAE bomb. I do wonder if it could attain the level of effect of the MOAB with that weight. In any case, I can imagine China needing such a device for the Taiwanese tunnels etc.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/4/2019 10:54:58 PM   
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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/04/asia/china-pla-navy-railgun-intl/index.html

CNN quotes an expert who believe that the weapon might be one or two years away from service at this point, since these seem to be operational tests already.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/5/2019 12:07:16 AM   
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The old bigger size bomb for Soviet Tu-16 was 9000 Kg.


Interesting. So, it seems that the MOAB and the FAB-9000 arent so different in terms of weight.
This Chinese bomb here is suppossedly a FAE bomb. I do wonder if it could attain the level of effect of the MOAB with that weight. In any case, I can imagine China needing such a device for the Taiwanese tunnels etc.


So how do we name that ordinance? It looks different from both MOAB and FOAB, so labeling it a copy couldn't do.

My idea is BOAB -- Brother of All Bombs. Since it's 'east-bloc'-ish while it's not as superior as FOAB by size, it's still deadlier than TNT-only bomb like FAB-9000. They are more like Father and Son kind of difference.

EDIT: found the Chinese news about it, they refer that new bomb as an anti-underground ordinance because it is a ground-zero weapon. The 9-ton of explosion will causing an earthquake like the British Grandslam bomb. Heck, the shape itself looks very similiar too:

https://mil.sina.cn/sd/2019-01-03/detail-ihqhqcis2674980.d.html (Simplified Chinese, basically saying it's not MOAB nor FOAB)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_(bomb)

In that case, I will call it a Grandslam-copy, only 1-ton short compare to the precedessor in WW2.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/6/2019 12:39:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is kind of interesting that this unveil coincides with Xi Jinping's speech about Taiwan, tho. Even though the speech was less aggressive than previously anticipated (no "timeline for unification" and no ultimatum), and with the offering of the one-country-two-systems solution, a Chinese anti-tunnel bomb does seem to be an answer designed for those in Taiwan and the US who have previously written so much about Taiwan being "a nightmare to occupy" because of the mountains and fortified cities, alongside "a motivated population that will conduct guerrilla warfare against the PLA".
A MOAB-like weapon is in any case a huge morale breaker - not just due to its power, but also its gruesome effects on "soft targets". Russia has shown in Syria how devastating Thermobaric weapons can be and China might have taken notice here.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/6/2019 9:54:42 AM   
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A MOAB-like weapon is in any case a huge morale breaker - not just due to its power, but also its gruesome effects on "soft targets". Russia has shown in Syria how devastating Thermobaric weapons can be and China might have taken notice here.

If the whole strategy is just to bludgeoning Taiwan into submission, it will be quickly get into Syrian situation, albeit with potentially massive and indirect casualties from electrical failures, wartime unrests and cannibalisms. Even China don't firebombing Taipei like what US did to Tokyo, that is still guaranteed a global outcry by how mass social medias focusing "PLA massacares".

Yet, war is war, the weapon users has their final say.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/6/2019 10:37:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		China will likely not care, since having Taiwan is worth any price. A PLAN Pacific Fleet and direct access to the WestPac, as well as secured submarine based second strike capability will be its reward. And an added bonus of being able to cut off Japan from its SLOC whenever China wishes so. The alternative would be US nuclear missiles in Taiwan aimed at China's coastal cities and being boxed inside the 1st island chain over short or long, if Taiwanese independence is left alive.

The US would also pay any price (and let others pay any price) if in the same position. See Cuba Missile Crisis and the Monroe Doctrine.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/9/2019 11:29:04 AM   
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https://warontherocks.com/2019/01/the-naval-power-shift-in-the-black-sea/

New ammo update:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25860/u-s-navy-destroyer-fired-off-advanced-hyper-velocity-projectiles-during-2018-exercise

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/9/2019 5:30:52 PM   
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-buys-more-israeli-defense-systems-to-protect-tanks-apcs/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/10/2019 12:40:05 PM   
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https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/01/08/marines-invade-catalina-island-fix-crumbling-airstrip.html?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ebb%2010.01.19&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

And a concept that could be tested in Command:

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2019-01/converting-merchant-ships-missile-ships-win


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/12/2019 12:09:03 AM   
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And a concept that could be tested in Command:

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2019-01/converting-merchant-ships-missile-ships-win

With radar signature masking implemented in game, the smaller vessels like missile boats, submarines and corvettes can use large merchant vessels as covers. Not just the armed merchants are lethal enough for preemptive attack, but also draw opponent's attentions away from proper vessel threats.

Imagine a civilian Ro-Ro suddenly roll outs a lots of speedboats armed with SSMs and kamikaze bombs, it will be a nightmare to the enemy frontline. Worse, even if they try to sink the Ro-Ro, that will only just waste some missiles at it, and gave warships behind it more survivability.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/12/2019 4:15:43 PM   
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https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/01/us-shift-to-missile-container-navy-would-be-six-times-more-cost-effective.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/14/2019 2:35:56 PM   
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https://news.usni.org/2019/01/05/2018-usni-news-fleet-tracker-year-review

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/15/2019 3:59:41 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/15/2019 4:07:46 PM   
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A9rospatiale_SA_321_Super_Frelon

Wikipedia quote:
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Load deck of a Super Frelon
The Aérospatiale SA 321 Super Frelon is a large, heavy-lift single-rotor helicopter, furnished with a relatively atypical three-engine configuration; these are Turboméca Turmo IIIC turboshaft engines set on top of the fuselage, a pair of turbines positioned side-by-side at the front and one located aft of the main rotor".

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/15/2019 5:35:14 PM   
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Pic: PLA watchers see some similiarities in the layout of the AN/AAQ-24 of US helicopters and the devices onboard the Z-8L



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/15/2019 11:21:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only problem is what kind of turboshafts are installed in the Z-8L? I doubt it will be enough for WZ-6C, given by the extra size (and potentially loadout tonnage) is needed with a widen fuselage. Possibly the same turboshaft engines from Z-20 perhaps?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/17/2019 12:28:04 AM   
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A good choice since the U.S. helped fund the system, plus a large part of it is built in the U.S.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-us-army-to-procure-two-iron-dome-batteries-report-1001269334

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/17/2019 10:22:00 PM   
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The Chinese cleverly manoeuvre themselves into a position to gain a foothold on the major supplier of resources in the southern hemisphere - Australia. Can the Americans help their ally in time?
I think CMANO fans will enjoy this, plenty of air and naval action, lots of ideas for scenarios.
Chinese Flankers, F-35's, J-20's, F-22's, H-6's and more, and of course lots of naval units, and did I mention nukes?


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/17/2019 11:08:24 PM   
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New novel - "The String of Pearls Strategy" available from Amazon.
The Chinese cleverly manoeuvre themselves into a position to gain a foothold on the major supplier of resources in the southern hemisphere - Australia. Can the Americans help their ally in time?
I think CMANO fans will enjoy this, plenty of air and naval action, lots of ideas for scenarios.
Chinese Flankers, F-35's, J-20's, F-22's, H-6's and more, and of course lots of naval units, and did I mention nukes?


Depressing to say both sinophobia and Tom-Clancism didn't die, and worsen in recent days -- more and more people in the west want to destroy China ASAP, and global disruption like Anti-OBOR and Anti-Huawei get the best of them.

But let's not judge the political climate, if Australia wants war, I will go check that book to see how they wins.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/18/2019 1:16:07 AM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/18/2019 2:21:12 AM   
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pathologizing people who have a different opinion than you on something is very rude.

I agree, let's hope the book has some sensible ways to describe China threat.

EDIT: found the link.
https://www.amazon.com/String-Pearls-Strategy-Mark-Kerr-ebook/dp/B07MVPWHF3/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/18/2019 10:04:33 AM   
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https://www.rt.com/russia/449092-su-34-collide-russia/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/18/2019 1:52:27 PM   
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DARPA is looking to stop (at least some) incoming hypersonics.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/22/2019 2:43:18 AM   
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Another Reaper profile of UCAV conducted a maiden flight in China called Feilong-1, the third company try to imitate the successful airframe from CH-4 and WL-1:

https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/status/1087383582186852353
http://m.sanqin.com/pcarticle/404241 (Simplified Chinese article, it wrote aimed for border surveillance, firefight and rescue ops)

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/23/2019 12:00:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		If thinktanks are very certain the capabilities of DF-21D before, why the new analysis didn't say DF-26 is also capable to attack surface vessels? Instead, FAS only boasted it's threat vector against nearby countries by it's locations.

Worse, China is not a signator (and is totally not responsible) of INF, however, the article empathize the US's decision to eject INF as if it's China's fault.

https://fas.org/blogs/security/2019/01/df-26/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 1/24/2019 5:47:09 AM   
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