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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/24/2015 2:26:56 PM   
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I think it is just business. Ukraine's economy is pretty much down the drain and military-technological cooperation with China is still a very lucrative sector - one of the few that are actually making profits for them IIRC.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/24/2015 4:49:52 PM   
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Well, of course it's just business. Just like Russia buying/funding advanced military technology from there. I can imagine Russia is extremely upset about the loss of Ukraine as a military technology producer, and now China wants to swoop in and throw money around? Yeah, that's got to suck if you're Russia.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/24/2015 7:53:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NakedWeasel

Well, of course it's just business. Just like Russia buying/funding advanced military technology from there. I can imagine Russia is extremely upset about the loss of Ukraine as a military technology producer, and now China wants to swoop in and throw money around? Yeah, that's got to suck if you're Russia.

This is definitely a good business move on the part of the Chinese - they get to export their tech to a new market (Eastern Europe), and I'm sure they're hoping they can pick up some of Ukraine's gas turbine business.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/24/2015 11:15:52 PM   
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I'd rather think that they would purchase Ivchenko-Progress as a whole in the end. In the naval gas-turbine business, the GT-25000-DA-80 with 28MW was already indigenized a number of years ago as the QC-280.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/25/2015 4:30:14 AM   
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Indeed. The Chinese have as much to gain from Ukrainian technology, as they do from selling their own. If I'm not mistaken, "their" carrier was constructed there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukroboronprom

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/25/2015 6:31:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NakedWeasel

Indeed. The Chinese have as much to gain from Ukrainian technology, as they do from selling their own. If I'm not mistaken, "their" carrier was constructed there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukroboronprom

It is also a speculation why China builds the CV instead of LHA/D as their first flat-top in their own shipyard, which is presumed correct they have easier access and knowledge to build one thanks by Ukrainians, than a smaller and less complicated 'helicopter carrier'.

If Ukraine keep doing that way, either she will runs out of ex-soviet relics, or China had developed into a level that no more desire for them, or a wild possibility -- NATO had full control of Ukraine, will issue embargo to stop ToT to China. So I think the joint cooperation is much more sensible than just giving China 'old stuffs'.

And do not forget, Russia also need China from that chaos too, consider numerous embargos locking down military developments Russia can make. Thankfully, China prefers profits over alliances, only technology and money will make sense to her, so the 'diplomatic triangle' between Russia and Ukraine is very less likely conflicted.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/25/2015 10:12:24 PM   
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NATO will not mind Ukraine selling such things to China. There is no sensible reason or method to restrict the availability of trainer jets to China, and the technology involved does not grant a substantial new military advantage. When Ukrainian firms compete Russian firms out of the market for parts & labor on Russian-pattern equipment, then that takes money out of Russia's pocket and puts it into Ukraine's pocket. Such Ukrainian competition will be a real threat for Russia's defense sector in the coming years, as Ukrainian firms will have full access to Western credit markets.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/25/2015 11:46:25 PM   
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We all have the clear understanding that Ukraine was a major source of defense technology for Russia, and not the other way around, right?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/26/2015 2:06:07 AM   
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Some raw footages of carrier operation in Liaoning at this video:

http://youtu.be/ac18wj5GbNw

Also the 114 serial appears in a recent training pictures, this could estimate there are at least 14 of these are in active:



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/26/2015 11:21:25 AM   
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J-20 begins LRIP.

Yellow-primer J-20 #2101 undergoes taxi-trials. No prototypes anymore, but a LRIP plane.
A historic moment.



Service by 2017 sounds very reasonable, now.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/26/2015 3:43:21 PM   
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2 New Project 22800 Corvettes Uragan & Typhoon Laid Down by Pella Shipyard for Russian Navy

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Two new Project 22800 guided missile corvettes were laid down for the Russian Navy by the Pella Shipyard in St. Petersburg on December 24th, TASS reported from the shipyard on Thursday. According to the shipyard’s spokesperson, the lead ship, the Uragan, is to be commissioned by the Russian Navy in December 2017 and the first production ship, the Typhoon, in 2018.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3401

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/26/2015 5:31:46 PM   
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U.S. Navy awards contract for development and systems integration for a 150 kW laser weapon system, to be installed for evaluation on the Self Defense Test Ship (USS Paul D Foster).

http://maritime-executive.com/article/navy-invests-in-powerful-laser-weapons-system

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/28/2015 9:10:48 AM   
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New HD Video Shows PLAN Aircraft Carrier Operations Aboard Liaoning with Nine J-15 Aircraft
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3402

Russian Navy New Mine Countermeasures Vessel Project 12700 Alexander Obukhov in Sea Trials
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3403

Saab Offers India to Collaborate on "Sea Gripen" Naval Variant of the Gripen NG Fighter Jet
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3404

Russian Navy Future Frigate Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov Completed 1st Phase of Trials
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3405

Testing of BrahMos Anti-Ship Cruise Missile From Su-30MKI Delayed to Mid-2016
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3406

Project 22800 Corvettes to be Fitted with Pantsir-M Naval Variant of Pantsir-S1 Air Defense System
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3407

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/28/2015 1:36:02 PM   
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Need a little help from our Russian speaking friends.

Can somebody dig up credible information on the upgraded BM rocket systems (Tornado G, S etc) Particularly interested on munition types, guidance and range.

Thanks

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/28/2015 4:28:44 PM   
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Rosoboronexport Catalogue

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/28/2015 5:09:34 PM   
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Rosoboronexport Catalogue



As good a source as any...

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/28/2015 5:17:50 PM   
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Need a little help from our Russian speaking friends.

Can somebody dig up credible information on the upgraded BM rocket systems (Tornado G, S etc) Particularly interested on munition types, guidance and range.

Thanks

Mike



From what I gather these are upgrade packages for the Grad (Tornado-G) and Smerch (Tornado-S), so I'd expect the warheads to stay mostly the same, even if the boosters are improved. From reading over some Russian sites I've mostly seen comments on increased automation for a reduced ready time and a smaller crew (3 men vs. 6). A lot of emphasis is placed by Splav's PR on how the vehicles can be operated fully from inside the cabin (although I note the Tornado-G still has backup optics on the launch tubes for the old-fashioned "notebook-and-pencil" artilleryman).
From some of the crew comments on the released videos (take with a grain of salt) one gets the impression that the new package includes GLONASS guidance and some volley-shaping capability (to split one salvo between several targets or engage a moving column more effectively).

Of note is the fact that the Tornado-G procurement project was put on hold by Anatoliy Serdyukov, then minister of defense, calling it "a slightly modernized Grad". The contract was later resumed in 2013, after Serdyukov left the office.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/28/2015 10:51:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Need a little help from our Russian speaking friends.

Can somebody dig up credible information on the upgraded BM rocket systems (Tornado G, S etc) Particularly interested on munition types, guidance and range.

Thanks

Mike


Here is what this systems can use:

for Tornado-G
9M217 cassette with 2 self-guided elements (EFP), range 30km


9M218 cassette with 45 unguided elements (HEAT), range 30km


9M519 jammer ,1,5-120 MHz ,time of work 60min , range of jamming (for one round) 700m range 18.5km (for rocket)
9M521 with improved HE warhead (21kg) range 40km
9M522 with separated HE warhead (25kg) range 37,5km

and old
9M22U HE 20km
9M22S incendiary(cassette 150 incendiary elements) 15 km
9M28K cassete ,3 AT mines (5kg each) 20km
9M28F HE (21kg warheag) 15 km
9M43 cassette ,smokescreen , 5 smokescreen elements 20km

manufacturer site:
http://www.splav.org/en/arms/grad/m28f.asp

Tornado-U ,the same rockets as in Uragan-1M
http://www.splav.org/en/arms/uragan/index.asp

Tornado-S:
9M525 cassette Fragmentation/HE 72 elements (1,74kg each) min range 25km max range 90 km
9M526 cassette with 5 self-guided elements (EFP) min range 25km max range 90 km
9M527 cassette ,25 AT mines min range 25km max range 90 km
9M528 separated HE warhead (243kg) min range 25km max range 90 km
9M529 thermobaric warhead (243kg,diameter of field with T>1000°C -25m,time of existence 1.44 sec) min range 25km max range 90 km
9M530 penetrator HE warhead (243kg) min range 25km max range 90 km
9M531 cassette, 588 HEAT elements min range 25km max range 90 km
9M532 cassette, 20 small selfguided elements 9N232 "Gnom" (EFP)min range 25km max range 90 km
9M533 cassette, 5 selfguided elements 9N268,double spectre IR(EFP)min range 25km max range 90 km
9M534 UAV T-90, 20min/70km max height 3000m ,LLTV ,parachute landing, 90 km range (for rocket)

manufacturer site :
http://www.enics.ru/detail?product_id=36 in russian
9M542 INS guided missile , warhead 150kg ,min range 40km ,max range 120km

also there is old 70km rockets from smerch :
http://www.splav.org/en/arms/smerch/m55f.asp

keep in mind, that there is no "special" munitions for Tornado-G,U,S they just use newest ,but also can use old rockets
Mainly "Tornado" is about fast reloading (in some cases there is even disposable launcer tubes),unifications,
adding GLONASS,new command and control systems and new computers.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/28/2015 11:00:37 PM   
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Thank Triode!

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/28/2015 11:38:06 PM   
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also small hint , Tornado-U and Tornado-S separate systems only until 2014,
after they merged in bicaliber system "Uragan-1M"(220/300)

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/29/2015 1:38:21 PM   
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Two interesting developments out of S. Korea

ROK Navy Opens New Naval Base for KDX-III Aegis Destroyers on Jeju Island

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The Republic of Korea (ROK or South Korea) Navy unveiled a new naval base on the southern resort island of Jeju. Jeju island is strategically located in a sea passage connecting the East China Sea and the Sea of Japan (East Sea) in the northwest Pacific Ocean. The 7,600-ton KDX-III Aegis Destroyer Yulgok Yi arrived on December 22 to the "Jeju civil-military sea port base" (the official designation of the base) ahead of its official launch scheduled for January.
A KDX-III Destroyer is set to be permanently homeported to the new base whihc spans nearly 500,000 square meters with docks running some 5 kilometers. The dual-use base is capable of simultaneously docking up to 20 combat ships and two of the biggest cruise ships, larger than 150,000 tons. With the relocations, Jeju will host more than 3,000 Navy troops as well as the Submarine Force Command. The base could see more destroyers in the future as South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff( JCS) decided in 2013 to increase the number of its Aegis destroyers from the current three to six by 2027 to strengthen its maritime combat capabilities

The ROK Navy stressed the new base will dramatically enhance the Navy's ability to counter North Korea's potential provocations at the sea borders both in the west and the east. The new naval compound also has in mind the mission to defend Ieo Island, known as Socotra Rock, a strategically important South Korean submerged rock located nearly 300 km southwest of Jeju. China has previously laid claims to the resource-rich rock, which South Korea controls with the presence of its maritime research center there.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3412


South Korea's KAI Completes the Development of Amphibious Variant of Surion Helicopter

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KAI, or Korea Aerospace Industries, Inc. announced today it has completed the development of the amphibious variant of its Surion transport helicopter, which will help enhance the range of operation and mobility for the ROK Marine Corps, specifically from ROK Navy Dokdo class LPH.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3414

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/29/2015 3:41:52 PM   
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The comprehensive Mid Life Update of the sole Type 051B "Luhai-class" DDG 167 Shenzhen which began earlier this year, is progressing well.

Now, we see her being equipped with two Type 1130 CIWS on either side, replacing her former Type 76A 37mm AAAs, and four Orekh/Front-Dome styled illuminators, indicating that the ship will have a HHQ-16 VLS loadout (cell-count unknown) replacing the HQ-7 SR-SAM. The main radar has been upgraded to the Type 381/Sino-Fregat and the rear-mast now features a Type 364 sea-skimmer defense radar. The gun is also slated for an upgrade, but the type is unknown (probably a PJ-26 76mm gun). Generally, this Destroyer has been turned into a larger Type 054A Frigate in terms of weapons and sensors. It will likely retain its twin hangars and the sixteen-tube strong YJ-83 AShM loadout. This would make it quite useful for ASW and ASuW, former especially when combined with the VLS launched CY-3/Yu-8 ASROCs.


^good view on all the sensors. Note that the jammers are the same as those on the Type 052C/D.


^good view on the Type 1130s, whose unique shape cannot be hidden by mere cloth.


^the DDG 167 Shenzhen before the refit.



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/29/2015 4:02:16 PM   
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Not directly military related (is it?), but interesting nonetheless:


http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/12/long-march-3b-gaofen-4-close-2015/

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Long March 3B lofts Gaofen-4 to close out 2015

The Chinese have closed out the year with the launch of its Long March 3B/G2 rocket. The launch involved the orbiting of a geostationary remote sensing bird, known as Gaofen-4 (GF-4). It was launched from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center at 16:05 UTC.

Chinese Launch:

Gaofen-4 is China’s first geosynchronous orbit remote sensing satellite featuring a visible light and infra-red staring optical imager with a common optical system.

The optical resolution is better than 50 meters, while the infrared resolution is better than 400 meters. GF-4 can provide an imaging area of 7,000 km × 7,000 km with individual scene covering an area of 400 km × 400 km, and with capacity for high temporal resolution remote sensing monitor at minute-level. Launch mass is 4,600 kg. Gaofen-4 will be operational for 8 years.

The satellite combines the capacity of extremely high temporal resolution and high spatial resolution, optimal features that have various applications such as disaster monitoring, meteorological observation, agriculture, national security, etc.




Basically, it will be deployed in geosynchronous orbit, staring 24/7 with a very high resolution camera (compared to other geosynchronous optical satellites, whose resolutions are in the hundreds of meters) at the South China Sea, West Pacific and the first and second island chain for... "disaster monitoring, meteorological observation agriculture, national security".




In the future; China plans to send more geostationary/geosynchronous optical reconaissance satellites into orbit with increasingly better resolution. One research article details a sub-meter resolution geosynchronous satellite equipped with telescopic-membrane-based optics, like the DARPA MOIRE concept.

With this one in orbit some time in the future, PLA commanders would have "GODS EYES ENABLED" in real-life as well. With the difference that they actually can order attacks with that mode enabled .




Some recent articles stressing the point of it being basically an ASBM aid.

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China’s powerful new space camera for ‘civilian use’ launched into high orbit
Mainland authorities place satellite in geostationary orbit in unusual step for imaging tools

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1896020/chinas-powerful-new-space-camera-civilian-use-launched-high-orbit



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Gaofen-4 is China's first geosynchronous orbit HD optical imaging satellite and the world's most sophisticated HD geosynchronous orbit remote sensing satellite, according to Xu Dazhe, head of SASTIND and China National Space Administration.
It can "see" an oil tanker on the sea with a huge CMOS camera, reaching the best imaging level among global high-orbit remote sensing satellites, according to Li Guo, chief designer of Gaofen-4:

http://zz.81.cn/content/2015-12/29/content_6834608.htm


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/29/2015 11:39:37 PM   
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B-336 "Pskov" (project 945A) return from repair and modernization
this is first sub project 945/545A modernized by project 945M


project 945M includes:
- new gidro accoustic complex "Kizhuch-945M" aka MGK-540M instead of "Skat-3" aka MGK-540
http://disclosure.1prime.ru/Portal/GetDocument.aspx?emId=6154093944&docId=bd47e1d1ed2046d6808349d3e9cc21a4 in russian
- new torpedoes and missiles ,Kalibr-PL and etc.
- new radar/ELINT system RLKS-43-945M aka RLKS-43-0945 instead of MRKP-58/59
radar part R-43 and R-43M and whole system in annual report of "Granit-Electron":
http://www.e-disclosure.ru/portal/FileLoad.ashx?Fileid=1106227 in russian
- new battle information managment system
- periscope system "Parus-98" instead of old Lybid-11/Lybid-22
http://elektropribor.spb.ru/prod/epom in english

also I cant find contract for installation of RLKS-43 on "Pskov" so it is posible that B-336 recive not full 945M upgrade (or MoD just dont published this contract, wich is funny ,I can see contracts for installation of RLKS-43 on B-239 "Karp" and B-276 "Kostroma")


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGSANBdO8uU in russian

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/30/2015 8:55:01 AM   
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Didn't spot any mention of the Nudol Russian system so thought I'd add:

Recent test was done.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-conducts-successful-flight-test-of-anti-satellite-missile/
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1137442.html

Didn't see it in the database, just spotted the Gazelle.


We'd gladly add it if we had any hard data at all.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/30/2015 9:12:49 AM   
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Not directly military related (is it?), but interesting nonetheless:


http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/12/long-march-3b-gaofen-4-close-2015/



Thanks, this is good material.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/30/2015 9:42:51 AM   
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Indian Navy Successfully Test Fires LRSAM/Barak-8 Air & Missile Defense System from INS Kolkata

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The Indian Navy achieved a significant milestone in enhancing its Anti Air Warfare capability with the maiden firing of its newly developed Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LR SAM). The firing was undertaken on 29 and 30th Dec 15 on the Western Seaboard by INS Kolkata, wherein the missile successesfully intercepted an Aerial Target at extended ranges.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3417

DARPA & Northrop Grumman to Develop VTOL UAS for Small US Navy Ships

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Small-deck ships such as destroyers and frigates could greatly increase their effectiveness if they had their own unmanned air systems (UASs) to provide intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) and other capabilities at long range around the clock. Current state-of-the-art UASs, however, lack the ability to take off and land from confined spaces in rough seas and achieve efficient long-duration flight. Tern, a joint program between DARPA and the U.S. Navy’s Office of Naval Research (ONR), seeks to provide these and other previously unattainable capabilities. As part of Tern’s ongoing progress toward that goal, DARPA has awarded Phase 3 of Tern to a team led by the Northrop Grumman Corporation.

The first two phases of Tern successfully focused on preliminary design and risk reduction. In Phase 3, DARPA plans to build a full-scale demonstrator system of a medium-altitude, long-endurance UAS designed to use forward-deployed small ships as mobile launch and recovery sites. Initial ground-based testing, if successful, would lead to an at-sea demonstration of takeoff, transition to and from horizontal flight, and landing—all from a test platform with a deck size similar to that of a destroyer or other small surface-combat vessel. “The design we have in mind for the Tern demonstrator could greatly increase the effectiveness of any host ship by augmenting awareness, reach and connectivity,” said Dan Patt, DARPA program manager. “We continue to make progress toward our goal to develop breakthrough technologies that would enable persistent ISR and strike capabilities almost anywhere in the world at a fraction of current deployment costs, time and effort.”

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3416

USS Harry S. Truman & Charles de Gaulle Carrier Strike Groups Now in Combined Combat Ops

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U.S. Navy strike aircraft from nuclear powered aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) flew their first missions in support of Operation Inherent Resolve (OIR), the fight to destroy the ISIL terrorist organization, Dec. 29. Truman and embarked Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 7 join French nuclear powered aircraft carrier FS Charles De Gaulle (R 91) in conducting combined combat operations in Iraq and Syria from the Arabian Gulf.

"Warfighting is the priority; that's why we are here," Batchelder said. "We provide the hard power in the collective DIME, and look forward to contributing however we can. Dual carrier operations with the French allow us to maximize our firepower and provide a unique opportunity to further progress against ISIL. It validates our abilities to successfully operate as an international coalition while conducting very dynamic operations."

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3415



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/30/2015 5:16:10 PM   
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In the future; China plans to send more geostationary/geosynchronous optical reconaissance satellites into orbit with increasingly better resolution. One research article details a sub-meter resolution geosynchronous satellite equipped with telescopic-membrane-based optics, like the DARPA MOIRE concept.

With this one in orbit some time in the future, PLA commanders would have "GODS EYES ENABLED" in real-life as well. With the difference that they actually can order attacks with that mode enabled .






Could you upload the full article and explain where/ how you found it? It is very interesting to see China is also looking into membrane optics.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/30/2015 10:00:11 PM   
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It is already an interesting speciemen, a static (which is stays in same location while orbiting) optic-satellite with both rapid imaging and IR sensor are groundbreaking concept. Of course it is not design to be taking very clear and high def. pictures like Google Sats, but as long as it can ID an oil tanker in a large portion of sea while surveying, and both day and night, the application of it is huge.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 12/30/2015 10:31:59 PM   
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@gosnold

The full research article here:

http://www.docin.com/p-1164161959.html

@Dysta

It would work in concert with the existing 29 Yaogan satellites. The resolution of the GF-4 would make pictures look like this (50m res approximation):


^note the Nimitz-carrier in the circle standing still.

Even though small, it is still quite visible. But not only that - the wake would be seen as well (note the very visible white gush on the coast of the island). For further confirmation, the YG-series NOSS would be prepared to take extra-pictures once they pass the location.


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