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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/6/2017 10:13:58 PM   
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Sorry, False Alarm; seems like it was misquoted.

It shows a MU90 Torpedo. Darn it, Chinese BBS.



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/7/2017 1:43:44 AM   
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If China and India cannot settle with this deep feud like in this news' comment section, the bigger and potentially lethal kind of dispute will set off again like in 1962:

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1054925.shtml

Also rumored China is launched army drill at Tibet region, as an answer to the dispute. However, tanks deployment is questionable because of the very high altitude and steep surfaces:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/amid-sikkim-standoff-china-carries-out-military-drills-at-5-100-metres/story-HjNZUdob3a9SaTDeqSkdcJ.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/7/2017 5:59:30 PM   
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Few days ago the Liaoning open day will not allow any kind of photograph devices to be on board with. But now it seems like those visitors could do what they wants with phones inside the hangar. The thing is, it's not yet to confirm if the video is secretly taken with a pinhole camera because of the intense shaking and poor quality:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1066347066832256

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/8/2017 6:31:56 AM   
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There it is. Hongjian, I used the source you linked for the GaN part

Analysis: Sensor and Electronic Warfare Suites Aboard China's Type 055 Destroyer

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While official Chinese media have been quite reactive and open with the launched of the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN or Chinese Navy) first Type 055 Destroyer (they did publish official images of the ceremony just two hours after it took place), details on the specifications of the ship, especially its sensor suite, are still scarce. But with plenty of imagery of Type 055 sensors now available, Navy Recognition contacted two retired French Navy officers (a former frigate commander and a former electronic warfare specialist) in order to try and learn more about the PLAN's latest surface combatant's sensors.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/focus-analysis/naval-technology/5374-analysis-sensor-and-electronic-warfare-suites-aboard-china-s-type-055-destroyer.html


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/8/2017 7:11:43 AM   
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Wow, reco, you are gaining influence with French military officials, even with all the guess speeches.

So, what does it mean in comparison to 346A and 346B? A marginal increase of size and suspecting use of GaN-based modules is surely an improvement, but by how much? Like ADMR gives roughly 300nm of range with 30x more of total unit tracking ability. 346A on the other hand only being referred as an AESA version of SPY-1D, nearly exact specification with slightly more robust anti-jamming.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/8/2017 11:27:51 AM   
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While it sounds like a bright vista of human future when 120 countries voted no for nukes, 5 major players of nuclear arsenals are not participated at all. It mean very little to the world because those nations gives up on nukes are barely have a handfuls of them:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/g20-summit-more-120-countries-112925629.html

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Meanwhile, Sikkim is now looming with fear of war because the current and most intense Sino-India border conflict is still not giving up. War might not be imminent, but it's definitely the China's first answer to India's persistent presences in Tibet:

http://thediplomat.com/2014/03/shadows-of-sikkim-in-crimea/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/8/2017 4:56:31 PM   
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@navyrecognition

Thank you very much.

Those large arrays that are two-per-side really are strange. Have there ever been such large ECM-jammers on naval ships?
Something tells me, if they indeed are, they are directly lifted from the Y-9G ECM plane...

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/8/2017 6:43:10 PM   
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Those large arrays that are two-per-side really are strange. Have there ever been such large ECM-jammers on naval ships?


To be disappointedly say, no, I searched on Google straight up 2 hours and nothing like this to be seen. Heck, the Chinese-copy mindset couldn't even help me get anywhere about it.

Those fixed directional ECM (sensor?) panels are one of the most bizarre and least expected design I've ever seen. Might have a better clue if front and rear has one of these, but they aren't.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/8/2017 8:45:15 PM   
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Well, I'm still kinda holding out for them being VSR (no matter which band), as the recent pictures show that the 055 has returned to the berth and has some stuff removed again (like decoy launchers) and new stuff added (like some shield-like thing on the hangar superstructure). Its definitely not the end of it.




on a related note, it seems like the PLAN has changed the designation for the 130mm main guns: Type 055 gets the H/PJ-45 and 052D gets the H/PJ-45A.



From the HongKong Open Day: As one can see; the 45A has muzzle break and muzzle speed radar, as well as a different housing. The 055's 45 has none of such, but a more slanted and stealthier looking housing. Wonder why.



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/9/2017 4:08:29 AM   
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on a related note, it seems like the PLAN has changed the designation for the 130mm main guns: Type 055 gets the H/PJ-45 and 052D gets the H/PJ-45A.

From the HongKong Open Day: As one can see; the 45A has muzzle break and muzzle speed radar, as well as a different housing. The 055's 45 has none of such, but a more slanted and stealthier looking housing. Wonder why.


The radar and muzzle break could be just missing from still-constructing state, it's too early to tell.

The budging part is too difficult to confirm if that's true, like this picture that covered the CIWS has a slight angle at the top of the gun, but looks carefully, it could be just the back of the gun:





As for the destination, my speculation is the 055's PJ-45 is actually the original design, because the ship is vastly bigger and more structurally sound for a proper size of turret ring to mount with. 052D's PJ-45A however could be a compromised variant, with the original 100mm turret ring from 052C to place a bigger gun, lots of things has to consider.

If that's true, the reason of muzzle break can be explainable: to damper few shocks away from the turret because 130mm is a very hot round.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/9/2017 10:25:24 AM   
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The main purpose of a muzzle break is to reduce recoil - so if the non-muzzle break version is the original (I am not really following the ship development so don't know), the added muzzle break will be to correct a recoil problem such as severe wear on other components such as the trunnions or recoil cylinder. Or the muzzle break version needed to save some weight or space inside the turret.

Muzzle breaks on ships are not a good idea generally, they increase maintenance, add a point of failure on a high velocity gun and will cause corrosion issues for bits around the turret. Using this ship in very high seas or in polar regions will be difficult with a muzzle break to consider.

The muzzle velocity (Doppler) radar should be fairly standard on modern guns - but that one looks to be placed in an awkward position. Seems like an afterthought, and vulnerable to damage.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/9/2017 11:38:05 AM   
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Given by the development of 052 series was began at 1985, the ship's hull design and automations are so dated, it served quite well as a steady-paced, technologically advanced applications with 4 variants in 23 years, while at the same time China require rapid Naval modernization with substantial numbers of 052C/D so they can replace and decommission older ships. To be honest, 052D gives me a mixed feeling of their purposes with small tonnage, and lackluster of weapon and sensor suites as 21st century naval workhorses. Maybe a new frigate design should take some notices from 052D?

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Anyway, I spend a whole afternoon for acting myself like a true military fan: bring a 20x camera to capture one Liaoning picture for myself. The camera is a cheap consumer product, but I don't complain as I got what I wanted:



If you guys wants some very clear and closer view of Liaoning photos, you can check this album by other photographers:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4mSOcHu5OLNN3BETnlMNnYtT0E




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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/9/2017 4:29:39 PM   
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Nice.
Looks like a full deck!

Wonder how many J-15s there are in the hangar.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/9/2017 6:02:18 PM   
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Nice.
Looks like a full deck!

Wonder how many J-15s there are in the hangar.

I count 8 J-15's on deck - a little more than the Russians usually have on deck in pictures of the Kuznetsov (6-7).

As for how many are in the hangar, there's pictures from inside and I would say those 8 J-15 are probably the only ones onboard. Side number 121 is visible on the flight deck in the pictures pulling into port, and in this picture appears to be the only aircraft in a completely empty hangar deck. EDIT: Just realized there's another J-15 in the back of the picture...probably still only 8 on board.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/11/2017 6:01:50 PM   
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New US Navy FFG(x) requirements for the follow-on to LCS looks to be fast tracked: http://www.defensenews.com/articles/us-navy-releases-specs-for-a-proposed-guided-missile-frigate-a-break-from-the-littoral-combat-ship

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/12/2017 11:09:31 AM   
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The U.S. Air Force's Thunderbirds have had a tour of British landmarks in preparation for the 2017 Royal International Air Tattoo being held at RAF Fairford (14-17 July):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/12/thunderbirds-go-us-air-forces-rivals-red-arrows-tour-british/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/12/2017 3:22:12 PM   
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China landing group of 868 Donghaidao and 071 Jinggangshan left the Zhangjiang and headed to Djibouti to build new logistic support base
http://dambiev.livejournal.com/899208.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/12/2017 4:37:27 PM   
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Expeditionary Sea Base USNS Lewis B. Puller Begins First Operational Deployment

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The U.S. Navy's first purpose-built expeditionary sea base, USNS Lewis B. Puller (T-ESB 3), departed from Naval Station Norfolk to begin its first operational deployment, July 10. Puller is deploying to the U.S. 5th Fleet to provide operational support for U.S. Navy and allied forces operating in the region.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/july-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5383-expeditionary-sea-base-usns-lewis-b-puller-begins-first-operational-deployment.html

ROK Navy KDX-I Destroyer & FFX-I Frigate in Harpoon and C-Star Missile Exercise

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The Republic of Korea Navy’s (ROK Navy) released pictures of a recent anti-ship missile exercise which took place in the Sea of Japan (Donghae or East Sea). The pictures, taken July 6th, show Gwanggaeto the Great-class destroyer (KDX-I) ROKS Yang Manchun launching a Harpoon anti-ship missile and Incheon-class frigate (FFX-I) ROKS Chungbuk launching a C-Star SSM-700K Haeseong anti-ship missile.

With video on C-Star at link: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/july-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5384-rok-navy-kdx-i-destroyer-ffx-i-frigate-in-harpoon-and-c-star-missile-exercise.html

DSME Delivers Sixth Type 214 – KSS-2 Diesel Electric Submarine to ROK Navy
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South Korea's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) announced today that shipbuilder Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering (DSME) delivered the sixth KSS-2 (Type 214 Jang Bogo-II class) diesel-electric submarine (SSK) to the Republic of Korea Navy’s (ROK Navy). The submarine is nammed "Yu Gwan-sun", a patriotic martyr who fought for Korean independence.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/july-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5376-dsme-delivers-sixth-type-214-kss-2-diesel-electric-submarine-to-rok-navy.html

Russia’s Minoga - Ka-27 Replacement - Ship-Based Helicopter to be Transformable

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The promising Russian Minoga ship-based helicopter is planned to be versatile and transformable to accomplish different tasks, Russian Helicopters Group’s press office said. "The Ka-27 helicopter was planned to have three versions, i.e. the antisubmarine warfare, search and rescue and transport/combat ones. Now, a sufficient number of other options are available. There is a plan to make the Minoga rotorcraft versatile and quickly transformable to accomplish different missions," the press office added.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/july-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5382-russia-s-minoga-ka-27-replacement-ship-based-helicopter-to-be-transformable.html

Russia's First Priboy LHD Amphibious Assault Ship to Cost $675 Millions
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The lead Priboy-class amphibious assault ship will cost about 40 billion rubles ($675 million) and it will take up to five years to build it, Head of the Prospective Shipbuilding Department at Russia’s Krylov State Research Center Vladimir Pepelyayev told TASS. In all, Russia’s Navy is planning to receive two amphibious assault ships before 2025, he added.

"At our estimates, such a ship will cost around 40 billion rubles, considering all development stages, construction and trials," Pepelyayev said.

Speaking about the timeframe, the department’s head said that it would take about one year to work out a rough design and 1-1.5 years to develop a detail design and then the development of its design documentation and construction will follow.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/july-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5377-russia-s-first-priboy-lhd-amphibious-assault-ship-to-cost-675-millions.html

18 Modernized CB90s Combat Boats Ordered for Swedish Navy
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Sweden's Defense Materiel Administration, FMV, announced the procurement of 18 new combat boats Stridsbåt 90HSM from local boat-builder Dockstavarvet. The M stands for modernization. This includes upgraded driveline, upgraded protection, environmentally friendly engines, modern electronics and a remote-controlled weapon station for a 12.7 mm gun. The estimated life of the new combat boats is beyond 2040.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/july-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5380-18-modernized-cb90s-combat-boats-ordered-for-swedish-navy.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/12/2017 6:37:36 PM   
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/satellites-reveal-us-military-bases-emerging-in-the-desert?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB%2007.11.2017&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

Interesting fodder for potential scenarios.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2102266/china-sends-troops-first-overseas-naval-base-djibouti?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB%2007.11.2017&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

And another. Although I am not sure about the source.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/12/2017 7:04:11 PM   
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Although I am not sure about the source.


Defence News reported the same thing, also noted a couple posts above:

http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/china-sends-personnel-to-its-first-overseas-military-base

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/12/2017 7:21:40 PM   
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It's confirmed

What more is this will also be the chain-UNREP for the first time. Chinese task group near Somamni will provide resupply, so the entire journey will be seamlesssly non-stop.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/13/2017 1:02:56 AM   
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I still wonder why the PLAN sent the MLP 868 Donghaidao to Djibouti. If they wanted to send containers and heavy machinery to construct/outfit the support base, a civilian freighter would be sufficient. No need for its semi-submersible capability.



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/13/2017 1:41:18 AM   
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I still wonder why the PLAN sent the MLP 868 Donghaidao to Djibouti. If they wanted to send containers and heavy machinery to construct/outfit the support base, a civilian freighter would be sufficient. No need for its semi-submersible capability.


This is the closest thing to have for ship/submarine maintenance and recovery, semi-sub is a lot more versatile than commercial freighters.



PLAMC will also be there with one 071 LPD, the semi-sub can serve as MLP too. Like deploying extra troops and vehicles alongside with LPD:



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/13/2017 11:47:31 AM   
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Finally a clear picture showing the PL-15 and PL-10 combo onboard the J-10C.



Comparisson between PL-12/PL-8 and PL-15/PL-10

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/13/2017 12:55:24 PM   
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*slow hand claps*

General Herbert Carlisle is a very impressive person, he knew what will coming to the USAF few years ago. I expect they already learn some countering LRAAM tactics since the opaque rumors become a reality so quickly.

From the picture I've seen, the PL-15 doesn't look very massive as I was thinking. Maybe they really did worked the kinks out of it?

http://www.popsci.com/chinas-new-ramjet-engine-triple-range-missiles

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/13/2017 3:01:32 PM   
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PL-15 seems to be a development of the PL-12. That's what Huitong from Chinese Military Aviation has aggregated over the years:

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"It was first rumored in 2011 that 607 Institute was developing the next generation of active radar homing LRAAM dubbed PL-15 which is comparable to American AIM-120D. The missile was later identified as a PL-12 variant (PL-15?) which might have evolved from the earlier PL-12C design. PL-12G features redesigned stabilizing fins and tail control fins with smaller wingspans in order to fit into the internal weapon bay of J-20. The missile also has a new a dual pulse rocket motor which extends its range to 200km. Its two-way datalink and a new active/passive dual mode AESA seeker onboard will give it an excellent ECCM capability against severe jamming. A PL-15 prototype was first seen underneath the wing of a J-11B in 2012. In 2013 PL-15 was first seen inside J-20's main internal weapon bay during its weapon integration tests. It was reported by US intelligence that PL-12G was successfully test-fired in 2015. The latest image (November 2016) suggested that PL-15G can also be carried by the J-10B/C series."

http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.com/p/missiles-iii.html


Now, if we can get a designation for this monster of an LRAAM... A few amateur analysts say that this is the terminal evolution of the PL-21, which also began with an air-breathing ramjet missile design, but ended up as a multi-pulse semi-ballistic trajectory AAM.






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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/13/2017 3:40:40 PM   
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PL-15 was added for PLAAF units in Chains of War with limited stocks were added to scenarios. Let us know if you find any further data on the Ramjet missile.

Need to see evidence of PLAN integration at some point as well. Didn't add to COW for PLAN because there wasn't any test pictures etc. Assume the integration pathway is generally PLAAF then PLAN after correct?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/13/2017 4:27:39 PM   
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PLANAF more or less use the same planes, with the H-designation only being largely cosmetic and perhaps a few mission systems (like the taped on GPS receivers in the cockpits of the Su-30MK2s). Avionics are largely the same.

Of course, this may not apply to the J-15s, which have different avionics as they were spotted with munitions not used by the PLAAF (like the YJ-83KHs).

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/14/2017 3:21:27 AM   
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/13/swimming-trunk-elephant-rescued-from-ocean-10-miles-off-sri-lanka-coast

Database entry?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 7/14/2017 1:31:02 PM   
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http://newatlas.com/artificial-floating-mega-island/50447/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpqGTfl3uvA

Database entry?

This isn't a static platform, it can move and modularly merged into a bigger 'island'. No reclamation needed so the sea floor is totally untouched. You can build lots of things on it, and of course, militarize it.

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