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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/9/2015 2:12:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: Karaganov

Further
The fourth part of map - Western piece (Ortelsburg, Pultusk, Warszawa, Radom)
The fifth part of map - Eastern piece (Minsk, Slutsk, Zhitkovichi ... ???
The sixth part of map - Northen piece (Rustenburg, Suwalki, Radoshkovichi... ???)

By the way Hitler's headquarters was in Wolfsschanze. It was near Rustenburg (Rastenburg).
Will you implement this???

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/9/2015 4:00:22 PM

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I believe the good part of the map is that actually mirrors the WW2 armies better with the bunch of troops being infantry and not tanks!

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 6:22:43 AM

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Karaganov
Some screens for the Western Front Scenario from the archives of H.Balck!

1. Deployment zone of german 4th tank division (22nd June 1941)

2. 2nd soviet line (mostly 13th reserve army) at Minsk (26th,27th June 1941)

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 6:33:35 AM

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3. OKH map from 25th June 1941
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29085221/LageOst25Jun41_lg.jpg.html

4. good soviet map for the 22nd June deployments - but there are some wrong positions included !
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29085267/karta2.jpg.html

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 6:45:58 AM

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5. Osome Brest pics

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 6:59:42 AM

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6. Soviet 4th Army 23rd and 24th June 1941

7. deployments of the german 3rd tank divsion (22nd June 1941)

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 7:02:22 AM

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8. Fortified zone WF 41 (Bunker Group north of Brest) MG-Batl.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 7:06:36 AM

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9. good soviet map for the deploments of the 11th army.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 7:18:22 AM

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H.Balck wrote:
I think - we need the map regions to 10 km north of Vilnius.
The soviet 2nd and 5th tank divsion had order to deive north on 23nd June - they fight againts the 1th and 6th german tank divisions in the battle tank at Rossinoi.
They stand than no more in coman of the 11th soviet army and can not attack Hoths tank group from the north. I think we have to deploy them not on map than - I think !

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 7:19:20 AM

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about new map
It would be good to portray the system of Soviet fortifications along the line of the -Neman-Shara-Yaselda. I think it would be logical.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 9:29:02 AM

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The list of artillery of the Red Army - June 1941

37-mm AT-Gun Model 1930 (K-1) - negligible quantity
37-mm AT-Gun Model 1934 (Bofors) - several hundreds of Polish guns
45-mm AT-Gun Model 1937 (53-K) - 15682 guns (including Model 1932)
47-mm AT-Gun Bohler Model 1935 - negligible quantity

76.2-mm Regimental Gun Model 1927 - 4768 guns
76.2-mm Mountain Gun Model 1909 - 653 guns
76.2-mm Mountain Gun Model 1938 - 1068 guns

76.2-mm Divisional Gun Model 1902/1930 - 4356 guns
76.2-mm Divisional Gun Model 1936 (F-22) - 3041 guns
76.2-mm Divisional Gun Model 1939 (F-22 USV) - 1153 guns
107-mm Divisional Gun Model 1940 (M-60) - 137 guns

107-mm Field Gun Model 1910/1930 - 828 guns
122-mm Field Howitzer Model 1909/1930 - 881 guns
122-mm Field Howitzer Model 1910/1930 - 5578 guns
122-mm Field Howitzer Model 1938 (M-30) - 1667 guns
122-mm Field Gun Model 1937 (A-19) - 1257 guns (including Model 1931)
152-mm Field Howitzer Model 1909/1930 - 2432 guns
152-mm Field Howitzer Model 1910/1937 - negligible quantity

152-mm Howitzer Model 1910/1934 (M-10) - 275 pcs
152-mm Howitzer Model 1938 (M-10) - 1128 pcs
152-mm Howitzer Model 1937 (ML-20) - 3123 pcs

152-mm Mortar Model 1931 (NM) - 51 guns
152-mm Heavy Gun Model 1910/1930 - 121 guns
152-mm Heavy Gun Model 1935 (BR-2) - 37 guns
203.3-mm Heavy Howitzer Model 1931 (B-4) - 886 guns
210-mm Heavy Gun Model 1939 (BR-17) 9 guns
280-mm Heavy Mortar Schneider Model 1914/1915 - 25 guns
280-mm Heavy Mortar Model 1939 (BR-5) - 72 guns
305-mm Heavy Howitzer Model 1915 - 34 guns

Heavy coast artillery
130 mm coastal artillery system - 601 guns
152-mm coastal artillery system - 247 guns
180 mm coastal artillery system - 81 systems (it were options towers with one, two or three guns)
203 mm coastal artillery system - 33 systems (it were options towers with one or two guns)
254 mm coastal artillery system - 7 guns
305 mm coastal artillery system - 36 systems (it were options towers with one, two or three guns)

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 9:36:41 AM

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The list of heavy mortars of the Red Army heavy - June 1941

107-mm Mountain Mortar Model 1938 (PBHM 38) - 1354 mortars
120-mm Mortar Model 1938 (PM38) -3665 mortars

The list of anti-aircraft guns of the Red Army - June 1941

20-mm Automatic Anti-Aircraft Gun Oerlikon - several hundred pcs (the Red Army received it from the Baltic republics)
25-mm Automatic Anti-Aircraft Gun (72-K) - began to arrive for the Red Army service in the autumn of 1941
37-mm Automatic Anti-Aircraft Gun Model 1939 (61-K) - 1382 guns
76.2-mm Semi-Automatic Anti-Aircraft Gun Model 1931/1938 (3-K) - 5312 guns
85-mm Anti-Aircraft Gun Model 1939 (52-K) - 3082 guns

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 12:04:41 PM

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The list of ships of Pinsk River Flotilla - June 1941

Home Base - ПИНСК (PINSK)

River Monitor - ВИТЕБСК
River Monitor - ЖИТОМИР
River Monitor - БОБРУЙСК
River Monitor - СМОЛЕНСК
River Monitor - ВИННИЦА
River Monitor - ЛЕВАЧЕВ
River Monitor - ФЛЯГИН
Patrol Ship - ПУШКИН
Gunboat - ТРУДОВОЙ
Gunboat - ПЕРЕДОВОЙ
Gunboat - ВЕРНЫЙ
Gunboat - СМОЛЬНЫЙ
Gunboat - БЕЛОРУС
Armored Boat - БКА №41
Armored Boat - БКА №42
Armored Boat - БКА №43
Armored Boat - БКА №44
Armored Boat - БКА №45
Armored Boat - БКА №51
Armored Boat - БКА №52
Armored Boat - БКА №53
Armored Boat - БКА №54
Boat-Minesweeper - №1
Boat-Minesweeper - №2
Boat-Minesweeper - №3
Boat-Minesweeper - №4
Boat-Minesweeper - №5
Minelayer - ПИНА
Floating Dock - УДАРНИК
Floating Dock - БЕЛОРУССИЯ
Patrol Ship - БУГ ???
Patrol Ship - ПРИПЯТЬ ???

Gun Coastal Artillery - 78 pcs
Battalions of coastal defense - ???
Battalions of naval infantry - ???

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 5:16:41 PM

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after 70 moves

The new line of defense

http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29058000/screen-033.jpg
http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29058003/screen-034.jpg
http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29058007/screen-035.jpg

I think you made a mistake, refusing to so deeply. In my opinion the first line of defense should take place by the river Churyuk-Su (Чурюк-Су).

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 5:21:00 PM

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after 70 moves

In my opinion it is a gross mistake of the opponent. He managed to concentrate a lot of troops on the narrow Arabat Spit. I hope that my aircrafts and ships of the Azov flotilla will create many problems for him.
http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29057884/screen-029.jpg
http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29057885/screen-030.jpg

I am also surprised that almost everyone who plays for Germany trying to break through on Arabat Spit

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 5:23:00 PM

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Btw, looking at the pics I wonder if certain unit types shouldn`t be present in less numbers or at all. For example:

105 mm (4.13 in) leFH 18/3 auf Gw B-1/B-2 740(f) - only 13 were produced so I wonder if it justifies having two full strength units on the same map.
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/france/char_B1_bis.php

ADGZ - the Austrians only made 27 of them and the Germans another 25 starting with 1942, but they seem to have been mostly used in the Balkans for security operations:
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/Austrian_ADGZ.php

The Romanian OA vz.30 - in March 1939 9 Czechoslovak OA vz.30 crossed the border into Romania, but there is no evidence that they were ever used in combat (as opposed to security of industrial sites in the country), let alone of any use on the eastern front.

I guess it all depends on how much variety and liberty of action you want to enable on this scenario.

That is all right,
but I deliberately went to such a move, in order to diversify the composition units on the map.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 5:41:29 PM

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Karaganov
about new map
It would be good to portray the system of Soviet fortifications along the line of the -Neman-Shara-Yaselda. I think it would be logical.

Most likely, I will do it, but later
Goga also asked me about it

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 5:55:49 PM

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Karaganov
H.Balck wrote:
I think - we need the map regions to 10 km north of Vilnius.
The soviet 2nd and 5th tank divsion had order to deive north on 23nd June - they fight againts the 1th and 6th german tank divisions in the battle tank at Rossinoi.
They stand than no more in coman of the 11th soviet army and can not attack Hoths tank group from the north. I think we have to deploy them not on map than - I think !

Stop guys

The 11th Army is the North-Western Front

If you want to implement the counter-attack from the north, it will be possible to use scripts

This would be possible if we will draw two big maps !!!
1. From Riga to the Pripet Marshes.
2. From the Pripet Marshes to the Black Sea.
But it will be overly ambitious project...

And we never know like all will end...

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 6:03:06 PM

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Guys!
Help is needed!
These files need be translated from Russian into English
https://www.sendspace.com/file/teydox
https://www.sendspace.com/file/d5hi3x
I am not sure that I will find the time to do it

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/10/2015 6:10:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brazenman

The list of artillery of the Red Army - June 1941

Good work!
Can you make a similar list of the number of combat aircraft of the Red Army in June 1941?

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/11/2015 4:58:04 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Karaganov

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brazenman

Karaganov
H.Balck wrote:
I think - we need the map regions to 10 km north of Vilnius.
The soviet 2nd and 5th tank divsion had order to deive north on 23nd June - they fight againts the 1th and 6th german tank divisions in the battle tank at Rossinoi.
They stand than no more in coman of the 11th soviet army and can not attack Hoths tank group from the north. I think we have to deploy them not on map than - I think !

Stop guys

The 11th Army is the North-Western Front
http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29089842/page7.jpg
http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29089857/page8.jpg

If you want to implement the counter-attack from the north, it will be possible to use scripts

This would be possible if we will draw two big maps !!!
1. From Riga to the Pripet Marshes.
2. From the Pripet Marshes to the Black Sea.
But it will be overly ambitious project...

And we never know like all will end...

Karaganov
H.Balck wrote:
Parts of the 11th soviet army (3 divisions) fight on the first 3 days against tank group Hoth !!!

Without Hoths tanks you can show the german operations on map.
I think it would be enough to set the map to 50 km south of Vilnius.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/11/2015 10:03:18 AM

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No problem,
please

The list of combat aircrafts of the Red Army - June 1941

Polikarpov I-15 - 707 aircrafts
Polikarpov I-15BIS - 524 aircrafts
Polikarpov I-153 - 2893 aircrafts
Polikarpov I-16 - 4262 aircrafts
Kochergin Di-6 - 71 aircrafts
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-3 - 1300 aircrafts (including MiG-1)
Lavochkin-Gudkov-Gorbunov LAGG-3 - 322 aircrafts
Yakovlev Yak-1 - 425 aircrafts

Polikarpov I-5 - 36 aircrafts
Polikarpov R-5 - 317 aircrafts (including R-5SSS)
Polikarpov P-Z - 292 aircrafts
Tupolev R-6 - 22 aircrafts
Neman R-10 - 119 aircrafts
Polikarpov U-2 (Po-2) - more than 3500 aircrafts
Beriev Kor-1 (Be-2) - 12 aircrafts
Beriev MBR-2 - 761 aircrafts
Chetverikov MDR-6 (Che-2) - 11 aircrafts
Tupolev SB-2 - 3714 aircrafts
Arkhangelskiy Ar-2 - 170 aircrafts
Yakovlev Yak-2 - 85 aircrafts
Yakovlev Yak-4 - 36 aircrafts
Iljushin Il-2 - 244 aircrafts
Sukhoy Su-2 - 327 aircrafts
Petlyakov Pe-2 - 460 aircrafts
Petlyakov Pe-3 - the first batch of aircrafts entered service in the autumn 1941

Iljushin DB-3 - 1099 aircrafts
Iljushin DB-3A - 117 aircrafts
Iljushin DB-3F (Il-4) - 987 aircrafts
Yermolayev Er-2 - about 70 aircrafts entered service in the summer of 1941
Tupolev TB-1 - 11 aircrafts
Tupolev TB-3 - 364 aircrafts
Tupolev TB-7 (Petlyakov Pe-8) - 9 aircrafts (29 - according to some reports)

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/11/2015 12:29:11 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brazenman

quote:

ORIGINAL: Karaganov

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brazenman

Karaganov
H.Balck wrote:
I think - we need the map regions to 10 km north of Vilnius.
The soviet 2nd and 5th tank divsion had order to deive north on 23nd June - they fight againts the 1th and 6th german tank divisions in the battle tank at Rossinoi.
They stand than no more in coman of the 11th soviet army and can not attack Hoths tank group from the north. I think we have to deploy them not on map than - I think !

Stop guys

The 11th Army is the North-Western Front
http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29089842/page7.jpg
http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29089857/page8.jpg

If you want to implement the counter-attack from the north, it will be possible to use scripts

This would be possible if we will draw two big maps !!!
1. From Riga to the Pripet Marshes.
2. From the Pripet Marshes to the Black Sea.
But it will be overly ambitious project...

And we never know like all will end...

Karaganov
H.Balck wrote:
Parts of the 11th soviet army (3 divisions) fight on the first 3 days against tank group Hoth !!!

Without Hoths tanks you can show the german operations on map.
I think it would be enough to set the map to 50 km south of Vilnius.

40-50 kilometers south of Vilno, is not a problem. It is a little to the north of our line.
Then the new line will be - Angerburg, Orany, Krasnoye, Borisov.

In any case, we have enough time to coordinate this.
Now I began to work with the western piece of map.

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/11/2015 12:31:53 PM

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The list of combat aircrafts of the Red Army - June 1941

Cool! Thank you!

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/12/2015 5:51:42 AM

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Not thank me
It was very interesting to look at these figures for myself also

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/12/2015 7:13:15 AM

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after 83 moves

It seems that soon something will begin...

The enemy conducts reconnaissance in force all along the front line.
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101966/screen-038.jpg.html
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101975/screen-039.jpg.html
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101978/screen-040.jpg.html
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101981/screen-041.jpg.html
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101982/screen-042.jpg.html
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101984/screen-043.jpg.html

Partisans have discovered a large concentration of motorized troops of enemy in the North-West from the village of Sala. It seems that the enemy is planning to to attack across the mountains to the south into the area Sudak. The enemy can break through to the sea, and divide my army into two parts.
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101961/screen-037.jpg.html

The last brave defenders of Tenda. But I managed to evacuate most of the troops.
http://www.pic-upload.de/view-29101968/screen-044.jpg.html

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/12/2015 7:20:39 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brazenman

after 70 moves

The new line of defense

http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29058000/screen-033.jpg
http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29058003/screen-034.jpg
http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/29058007/screen-035.jpg

I think you made a mistake, refusing to so deeply. In my opinion the first line of defense should take place by the river Churyuk-Su (Чурюк-Су).

In this case I think that it will be right, if you place a line of fortifications on the river Churyuk-Su

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/12/2015 11:00:15 AM

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The list of tanks of the Red Army - June 1941

Light Tank T-18 - 868(???) tanks
Light Tank T-27 - 2343 tanks
Light Tank T-37 - 2321 tanks
Light Tank T-38 - 1129 tanks
Light Tank T-40 - 187 tanks
Light Tank T-50 - the first production tanks were shipped to the army in July 1941.
Light Tank T-26 (two-towers) - 1261 pcs
Light Tank T-26 - 7486 tanks (one-tower, all types)
Bridgelayer Tank ST-26 - 57 tanks
Light SPG T-26 SU-5 - 28 tanks
Flame-thrower Tank OT-26 - 308 tanks
Flame-thrower Tank OT-130 - 500 tanks
Flame-thrower Tank OT-133 - 327 tanks
Light Tank BT-2 - 580 tanks
Light Tank BT-5 - 1688 tanks
Light Tank BT-7 - 4352 tanks
Light Tank BT-7M - 690 tanks
Light Tank BT-7A - 117 tanks
Light Tank BT-7 (anti-aircraft) - 101 tanks
Medium Tank T-28 - 481 tanks
Medium Tank T-34-76 - 1030 tanks
Medium Tank T-34-57 - small party of tanks was shipped to the army in October 1941.
Heavy Tank T-35 - 59 tanks
Heavy Tank KV-1 - 445 tanks (all types)
Heavy Tank KV-2 - 134 tanks

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/12/2015 2:01:57 PM

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The list of armored cars of the Red Army - June 1941

Light Armored Car D-8-12 - 45 cars
Medium Armored Car D-13 - 8 cars
Light Armored Car FAI - 428 cars (including FAI-M)
Medium Armored Car BAI-M - 79 cars
Medium Armored Car BA-3 - 143 cars
Medium Armored Car BA-6 - 243 cars
Medium Armored Car BA-9 - 2 cars
Medium Armored Car BA-10 - 2676 cars
Heavy Armored Car BA-11 - 15 cars
Light Armored Car BA-20 - 1424 cars
Medium Armored Car BA-27 - 193 cars
Amphibious Armored Car PB-4 - 2 cars

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RE: Battle for the Crimea. Autumn 1941. - 12/13/2015 1:28:20 PM

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The list of tanks of the Red Army - June 1941

Light Tank T-18 - 868(???) tanks

The tanks-encyclopedia article says that all were retired either before 1932 or soon afterwords. It also says that about 200 were taken out of depots and upgraded to M standard (with the 45mm gun) and these were the ones that saw action against the Germans.
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/soviet_T18.php

< Message edited by R35 -- 12/13/2015 2:29:15 PM >

(in reply to Brazenman)

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