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RE: Axis OOB/TOE in 1.08 - 4/23/2015 9:07:58 PM   
Denniss

 

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Status: offline 		We already have german versions:
76mm PaK36(r) from F-22 ATG (although soviet side has both F-22 and F-22USV merged into one)
F-22USV as Art
122mm A-19 field gun
early 45mm ATG
85mm AAA rebored to 88mm to become 88mm Flak
120mm mortar to german version (germans copied them anyway)
Some more I have not found during a quick search

The 76mm ZIS may follow, they were most likely used in unmodified form unless captured ammo was used up, then sent to modifications centers to be rebored for german ammo.

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RE: Axis OOB/TOE in 1.08 - 4/24/2015 9:42:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are these versions produced regardless of the quantity of captured material? That appeared to be a feature of much F22 based production.

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RE: Axis OOB/TOE in 1.08 - 4/24/2015 10:40:30 AM   
Denniss

 

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Status: offline 		Just conversion from captured soviet stocks - transformation into a german model

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RE: Axis OOB/TOE in 1.08 - 4/24/2015 1:40:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		We can even have production and conversion for some items at the same time where conversion is cheaper than production, but both enabled (for example GE 120mm mortars could use this).
Conversion will always require stocks of captured equipment to exist in given country before it will be performed.

The only limitation of the system is we can't have one item created from more than 1 other item (so no way to "take hull of this old tank and mount this captured gun on it").

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RE: Axis OOB/TOE in 1.08 - 4/24/2015 7:20:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice. But will the PaK 36(r) armed Marder II and PzJg 38(t) be manufactured regardless of how many F22 are captured? If so, and also given that a large number were transferred out of theatre, if there is a mechanism to do this, it might be an idea to reduce the % of captured F22 entering the pool/being refurbished.

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RE: Axis OOB/TOE in 1.08 - 4/24/2015 7:48:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since they were on new hulls produced in Axis factories, they can be tied to captured guns and it will be good solution. Worse case is when existing equipment (old tanks removed from line units) would have to be converted using captured equipment. That can't be modeled.

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RE: Axis OOB/TOE in 1.08 - 4/24/2015 8:08:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		That sounds like it could work really well. I think the Flamingos, or some of them, might have ended up mounting PaK 36(r) but if my games are anything to go by most are withdrawn intact anyway.

Another vehicle which may be included in WitW/ WiE is the T26 mounting the French 75. Only a dozen or so were built and all were used in Italy. There were so many of both hull and gun it hardly matters what ingredients are used.

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RE: Axis OOB/TOE in 1.08 - 4/24/2015 9:27:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		All surviving Flammpanzer II were converted to Marder II with captured guns. This is modelled via production (those never used anywhere except training + those sent back with units) and via conversion from any Flammpanzer II left in the East.

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RE: Axis OOB/TOE in 1.08 - 4/25/2015 6:31:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: morvael


Gabriel B. is this a scenario data issue? Please notify Denniss and add some rationale.



Time for a more lenghty reply .


The axis orbat by 1942 summer is 2,97 milion men + 100,000 in the pool.
sheer infantry strenght is 1,35 million men roughly the same level as in 1941 despite having 32 more infantry divisions .


in 1942 the axis is getting 24 full strenght infantry divisions (400,000 men )
in adition to normal replacement isued to forces in the field .

82-raised 1939
88-raised 1939
205-raised 1940
208 -raised 1939
211- raised 1939


336- raised in 1940 as static division for ocupation duty in france
305- raised in 1940 as static division for ocupation duty in france .
323 - raised in 1940 as static division for ocupation duty in france .
336- raised in 1940 as static division for ocupation duty in france .
340- - raised in 1940 as static division for ocupation duty in france .
342- raised in 1940 as static division for ocupation duty in france/jugoslavia.

371 - raised in 1942 in belgium
370 -raised in 1942 in france
376-raised in 1942 in france .
377-raised in 1942 in france .
383-raised in 1942 in germany.
384 -raised in 1942 in germany.
385--raised in 1942 in germany.
387-raised in 1942 in germany.
389-raised in 1942 in germany.

328-raised in 1942 (14 days-walkirie)
329-raised in 1942 (14 days-walkirie)
330-raised in 1942 (14 days-walkirie)
331-raised in 1942 (14 days-walkirie)

the ones raised in 1939 and 1940 should arive at full strenght as it is simply a matter of tranfering forces from west to east.

however the last 4 were raised specificly for service on the eastern front and I my question is
from where does the manpower comes from ?


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RE: Axis OOB/TOE in 1.08 - 4/25/2015 11:02:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Walküre Divs were prepared for emergency mobilization. Much of their equipment was stored and personnell was taken from training and reserve units.

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