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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/30/2015 11:56:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

You get lots of the HA81-A3 aircraft and later some old US fighters but you get very few Chinese pilots. Don't waste them by sending their fighters on bombing missions. You should be using them to try and CAP trap a few of the IJA bombers. It means shuttling your fighters around from base to base where there is a little supply but occasionally you will surprise him.

Re: the Trincomalee landings - the ship and troop losses shown in the report are not "a heavy price" for the numbers he has available. Mere pinprix (purposely misspelled to avoid the auto-censoring of common words!)


BBfanboy-

Well, I'm still happy heavily damaging three more transports and taking some Japanese casualties. *grins*

Well, damn.

I wanted to bomb his troops to hopefully slow him down a bit. But, by the looks of the losses and without any Japanese troops being bombed...seems reasonable to switch to CAP...Though, I don't have many fighters left.

Thanks!

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/31/2015 3:43:30 AM   
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Japanese and Allied Bases

Strategic Map

June 6, 1942


My good friend Bob has been following The War College, but he hasn't posted. He enjoys seeing the strategic map every so often. So, here it is, Bob!

Best Regards,

-Terry




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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/31/2015 3:57:56 AM   
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Allied Task Forces

Strategic Map

June 6, 1942


I thought I would post this strategic map illustrating the Allied Task Forces to give The War College to illustrate the logistical route from the U. S. West Coast to India.

As you can see, the Task Forces carrying troops, aircraft, supply, and fuel leave the West Coast and head straight down to Tahiti where they [pause to refuel the destroyer escorts.

The Task Forces then leave Tahiti, passing by just under the South Island of New Zealand, and then continue on to Melbourne, pausing again to refuel the destroyer escorts.

From Melbourne, those Task Forces continuing on to India, head up the Eastern Coast of Australia, then jog further East, and then North to Diego Garcia, once again refueling the destroyer escorts.

From Diego Garcia, the Task Forces head due North until even with Bombay, and then head West to Bombay.

You can also see a great deal of Task Force activity around Prince Rupert (feeding troops, supply, and fuel to Alaska and the Aleutian Islands and a great deal of activity between San Francisco and Pearl.

The above Task Force routes are the main logistical routes..for now.

Best Regards,

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/31/2015 10:50:55 AM   
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That is a mighty circuitous route to India that ties up a lot of shipping and depletes on board fuel at critical locations.

You may want to consider exploiting your off map boxes and transfer routes for this purpose.

I set up shuttles running back and forth between East Coast and Capetown turning Capetown into a distribution hub.

I set up another shuttle back and forth between Capetown and Cochin at the tip of India.

This is also the BEST route for transferring troops and planes to India as they can transfer between off map boxes without monopolizing any on board shipping.

The only on board shipping they will need to get to India is from Capetown to Cochin.

This way the route to Tahiti and then on to New Zealand and Australia can concentrate on stockpiling those locales.

Once established as a hub Capetwon can also supply Australia when the sealanes from the West Coast are interdicted coming in from the south map edge to Perth and/or Melbourne.

If there is ever an opportunity to launch an operation at the DEI having Capetown as a supply/fuel hub bears even more fruit.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/31/2015 3:34:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		+1 Hans. I will also mention that between off-map boxes NO FUEL IS USED! So even if you send one of your WC convoys via Panama and Capetown, the Panama-CT portion will not use any fuel nor accumulate any damage to your ships.

Re: shipping supplies and fuel to build up CT, I have been using the smallest, shortest-ranged ships in convoys of about 20, shipping from EC and Canada to CT.
I did not have many places on-map that needed short-range vessels and were I did I held back some 6500 nm/1700 ton capacity xAKLs. The range issue goes away when you don't have to refuel, and if I want to convert a ship or send it on-map it is easy to do from CT or EC USA. When I have a lull in reinforcements coming in and lots of xAKs waiting for work, I often put a bunch of them on the supply run as well, but instead of unloading at CT they bring the supply on map and go back into the port pool for troop transport.

After Australia/NZ were safe I was finding the huge xAPs that the Allies have could not dock at the smaller ports that needed the troops and took forever to unload without a dock, so I sent them on the EC-CT route hauling supply in Transport mode. I had lots of smaller transports to send troops to the smaller ports. True, they do not move as fast as the big liners, but when you calculate the difference in transit time and deduct the time lost going to interim destinations, unloading and reloading the troops from big liners to smaller xAPs, the time difference is not so much.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/31/2015 4:32:19 PM   
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I have been using the Cape Town route for the vast majority of ground troops and aircraft that start in the USA and are earmarked for India. I would send them to the East Coast, then on to Cape Town, and then on to India; unloading at various West Coast ports of India, including Cochin.

The longer route via Tahiti is used mostly for fuel, supply and for troops that were earmarked for India, but initially went to reinforce Tahiti or Australia. Recently, many of those initial troops have left Melbourne and Tahiti for India. Presently, U.S. Marines have been pouring into Australia to replace the U.S. Army troops that have headed for or are heading for India.

Several posts back, I posted a thread entitled, "India...USA Forces...June 4, 1942." This post illustrates those forces at Cape Town that are still waiting to be bought out, troops still heading to the East Coast for transfer to Cape Town, and the Task Forces that are still ferrying troops from either San Diego, Pearl, Tahiti, or Melbourne to India.

I do agree that the Cape Town route not only saves fuel, but is a safer route. With what the Allies were doing for the first six months of the war, I just couldn't solely use the Cape Town route as troops earmarked for India had to first reinforce Tahiti and Australia. And, I thought it would be faster for those troops at Pearl to transport in Task Forces versus going back to the U.S., up to the East Coast, then to Cape Town and on to India.

So, it has been a mixture of Cape Town and the Task Force route shown to get the troops to India. It remains a work in progress.

*laughing*

Best Regards,

Terry



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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/31/2015 7:50:05 PM   
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B-17E Flying Fortress Question

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The Allies have three Squadrons of B-17E bombers (the 5th BG, the 34th BG, and the 307th BG) in the states and at Pearl Harbor.

I am considering buying them out, flying them to the East Coast, and then to Cape Town, and then transporting them to India to be a part of Operation Land Shark (the push toward Manchukuo and Korea) that shall commence no later than October 15, 1942.

Your thoughts on this subject please.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/31/2015 8:20:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Examine each squadron in each groups to make sure they don't have withdrawal dates before paying for them.

I recall some Groups in the USA have odd squadrons that withdraw.

I try to wait until I have released all important divisions and independent regiments that are critical to my '42 operations before allocating many PPs to purchasing bombers.

I prioritize fighters over bombers.

However, once both LCUs and fighters have been obtained I also advocate buying out the heavies.

Don't overlook the heavies at Pearl. Not much they can reach from there and they are not much of an anti-naval threat so keeping the starting groups there is an inefficient use of them.

< Message edited by HansBolter -- 12/31/2015 9:20:45 PM >

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 12/31/2015 11:01:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Examine each squadron in each groups to make sure they don't have withdrawal dates before paying for them.

I recall some Groups in the USA have odd squadrons that withdraw.

I try to wait until I have released all important divisions and independent regiments that are critical to my '42 operations before allocating many PPs to purchasing bombers.

I prioritize fighters over bombers.

However, once both LCUs and fighters have been obtained I also advocate buying out the heavies.

Don't overlook the heavies at Pearl. Not much they can reach from there and they are not much of an anti-naval threat so keeping the starting groups there is an inefficient use of them.



Hans-

I will check for any withdrawal date(s).

I learned that lesson the hard way a while back.

I also agree that I should wait to buy out the B-17Es until after all the infantry, AA, and Artillery units are bought out. That will take a couple more months.

As always, thank you for your help.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/1/2016 3:25:46 AM   
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Combat Report

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June 7, 1942


Another fairly busy day.

53rd Naval Guards Amphibious Assault Mataram:

Amphibious Assault at Mataram (59,109)

TF 307 troops unloading over beach at Mataram, 59,109

Japanese ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of 53rd Nav Gd /1
17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 53rd Nav Gd /2

Japanese Launch Airstrike on Madras:

Morning Air attack on Madras , at 35,40

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 1
B5N2 Kate x 11
D3A1 Val x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 4 damaged

Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
11 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Japanese Air Attack on Trincomalee Is Unsuccessful:

Morning Air attack on Trincomalee Fortress, at 31,47 (Trincomalee)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4
D3A1 Val x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 5 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' *
Ground Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' *
Ground Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Japanese Bombard Chinese Again Near Tienshui:

Ground combat at 81,39 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 61948 troops, 1161 guns, 583 vehicles, Assault Value = 1762

Defending force 24950 troops, 73 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 583

Allied ground losses:
180 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
10th Division
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
59th Infantry Brigade
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
37th Division
14th Division
26th Field Artillery Regiment
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th RF Gun Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
4th RF Gun Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
1st Field Artillery Regiment
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
7th RF Gun Battalion
1st Ind. Field Artillery Regiment
3rd RF Gun Battalion
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
11th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
71st Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Corps
129th Red Chinese Division
77th Chinese Corps
120th Red Chinese Division
36th Chinese Corps
79th Chinese Corps
6th War Area
18th Group Army
14th Group Army
115th Red Chinese Division

DD MacDonough Hits Japanese Submarine 4 Times Off the Coast of San Francisco!

Sub attack near San Francisco at 216,73

Japanese Ships
SS I-28, hits 4

Allied Ships
xAK Tuscaloosa City
xAK Kalani
xAK Ensley City
xAK Charles H Cramp
xAK Kansan
xAK American
DD MacDonough

SS I-28 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Tuscaloosa City
DD MacDonough fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD MacDonough attacking submerged sub ....
DD MacDonough fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD MacDonough attacking submerged sub ....
DD MacDonough cannot reach attack position over SS I-28
DD MacDonough fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Allies Hold Their Turf Near Koepang!

Ground combat at 69,116 (near Koepang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3228 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 125

Defending force 1326 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 44

Japanese adjusted assault: 51

Allied adjusted defense: 52

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
98 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
58th Infantry Brigade

Defending units:
Timor Garrison Battalion
Dili Detachment
Koepang Base Force

Allies Hold Their Ground at Padang!

Ground combat at Padang (44,85)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3366 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 127

Defending force 1559 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 43

Japanese adjusted assault: 109

Allied adjusted defense: 34

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
112th Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
Zuid KNIL Battalion
Padang Garrison Battalion

Trincomalee Coastal Guns Once Again shred Japanese Transports!

Invasion Support action off Trincomalee (31,47)

76 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAP Hakozaki Maru, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Hakusan Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire
DMS W-1
xAP Kashima Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Sanae

Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging xAP Hakozaki Maru at 5,000 yards
6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging xAP Hakozaki Maru at 5,000 yards
6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging xAP Hakusan Maru at 5,000 yards
DMS W-1 fired at enemy guns
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

And Again

Invasion Support action off Trincomalee (31,47)

56 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAP Kashima Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Hakusan Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
DMS W-1, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Sanae

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging xAP Kashima Maru at 8,000 yards
6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging xAP Hakusan Maru at 8,000 yards
6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging DMS W-1 at 8,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

And Once Again

Invasion Support action off Trincomalee (31,47)

57 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAP Hakusan Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Sanae
xAP Kashima Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging xAP Hakusan Maru at 9,000 yards
6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging xAP Hakusan Maru at 9,000 yards
xAP Hakusan Maru fired at enemy troops
DD Sanae fired at enemy guns
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

And One Last Time

Invasion Support action off Trincomalee (31,47)

52 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
PB Eiko Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Sanae

Japanese ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging PB Eiko Maru at 9,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/2/2016 3:38:37 PM   
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June 8, 1942



Japanese 10th Garrison Unit Shoves Back Kendari Forces Near Palopo:

Ground combat at 68,102 (near Palopo)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4175 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 159

Defending force 287 troops, 7 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 76

Allied adjusted defense: 4

Japanese assault odds: 19 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
94 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
10th Garrison Unit

Defending units:
Kendari Garrison Battalion
Kendari Base Force

Japanese Continue to Bombard Chinese Near Tienshui:

Ground combat at 81,39 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 62014 troops, 1161 guns, 583 vehicles, Assault Value = 1767

Defending force 24706 troops, 70 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 563

Allied ground losses:
328 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
37th Division
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
10th Division
59th Infantry Brigade
14th Division
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
1st Field Artillery Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
26th Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
4th RF Gun Battalion
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th RF Gun Battalion
3rd RF Gun Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th RF Gun Battalion
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Ind. Field Artillery Regiment
11th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
120th Red Chinese Division
71st Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Corps
77th Chinese Corps
115th Red Chinese Division
36th Chinese Corps
129th Red Chinese Division
79th Chinese Corps
14th Group Army
6th War Area
18th Group Army

Trincomalee Guns Shred Japanese Carrier Aircraft!

Morning Air attack on 99th Indian Brigade, at 31,47 (Trincomalee)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 41
D3A1 Val x 37

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 damaged
D3A1 Val: 5 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
10 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
11 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
10 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Trincomalee Fortress ...
Also attacking 99th Indian Brigade ...
Also attacking Trincomalee Fortress ...
Also attacking 99th Indian Brigade ...
Also attacking Trincomalee Fortress ...

Chinese 23rd Corps Holds Off Japanese 40th Brigade Near Kaoping!

Ground combat at 89,41 (near Kaoping)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7038 troops, 76 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 253

Defending force 751 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 25

Japanese adjusted assault: 133

Allied adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 44 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
305 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
40th Brigade

Defending units:
23rd Chinese Corps


Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/2/2016 5:54:14 PM   
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Japanese Carriers

South of Madras

June 9, 1942


I think there are more than just two enemy carriers off the coast of Ceylon! See map below.

Allied submarines are forming a line West to East and then will move North in an attempt to surround and inflict damage on one of El Lobo's precious Carriers.

Best Regards,

-Terry






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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/2/2016 7:12:24 PM   
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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/3/2016 7:01:04 AM   
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Combat Report

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June 9, 1942


El Lobo Captures Padang and Pare Pare:

Ground combat at Padang (44,85)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3356 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 126

Defending force 1492 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 40

Japanese adjusted assault: 54

Allied adjusted defense: 13

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Padang !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
791 casualties reported
Squads: 106 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 114 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 2

Assaulting units:
112th Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
Zuid KNIL Battalion
Padang Garrison Battalion

And Pare Pare

Ground combat at Pare Pare (66,104)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1374 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 53

Defending force 383 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3

Japanese adjusted assault: 23

Allied adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Pare Pare !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
128 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
16th Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
Makassar Garrison Battalion

Japanese Amphibious Assault Bathurst Island and Mataram:

Amphibious Assault at Bathurst Island (76,123)

TF 11 troops unloading over beach at Bathurst Island, 76,123

Japanese ground losses:
464 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 50 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (0 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (0 destroyed, 11 disabled)

17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 5th Amphibious Bde /12

And Mataram

Amphibious Assault at Mataram (59,109)

TF 245 troops unloading over beach at Mataram, 59,109

Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (0 destroyed, 3 disabled)

17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost overboard during unload of 62nd Nav Gd /2

Japanese 40th Brigade Wipes Out the Remnants of Chinese 23rd Corps Near Kaoping:

Ground combat at 89,41 (near Kaoping)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7038 troops, 76 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 253

Defending force 494 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 121

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 121 to 1 (Remember the 23rd Corps!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
558 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 47 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
40th Brigade

Defending units:
23rd Chinese Corps

Japanese Destroyers Outnumber Allied Submarine Near Trincomalee:

ASW attack near Trincomalee at 37,51

Japanese Ships
DD Hayashio
DD Asagumo
DD Yamagumo

Allied Ships
SS O16, hits 1

SS O16 launches 4 torpedoes at DD Hayashio
DD Asagumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamagumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Asagumo fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Yamagumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamagumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamagumo attacking submerged sub ....
DD Yamagumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Japanese Continue to Be Persistent in Bombarding Chinese at Tienshui:

Ground combat at 81,39 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 62095 troops, 1161 guns, 583 vehicles, Assault Value = 1776

Defending force 24323 troops, 65 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 541

Allied ground losses:
193 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
37th Division
10th Division
59th Infantry Brigade
14th Division
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
3rd RF Gun Battalion
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th RF Gun Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th RF Gun Battalion
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
26th Field Artillery Regiment
7th RF Gun Battalion
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Ind. Field Artillery Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Field Artillery Regiment
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
77th Chinese Corps
129th Red Chinese Division
120th Red Chinese Division
36th Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Corps
71st Chinese Corps
79th Chinese Corps
6th War Area
14th Group Army
18th Group Army
115th Red Chinese Division

Best Regards,

-Terry



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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/3/2016 7:17:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: poodlebrain

If the mouseover is correct, and he has only 35 fighters in his taskforce, he can't fly both escorts and CAP effectively. What can you do to take advantage of the circumstances?


poodlebrain-

Yes, the mouseover only shows two carriers. However, a couple days ago the Suryu, Hiryu, Shokaku, and Zuikaku were just off the coast of Ceylon. I'm not sure if he split up that Carrier Group or if the mouseover Carriers are additional Carriers.

I had sent the four British Carriers along with the Prince of Whales Surface Combat Fleet from Bombay toward Ceylon. But, when the Allies spotted those four big Japanese Carriers, the British steamed for their life back to Bombay.

The Allies have issued orders for a couple land-based Torpedo Bomber Squadrons to fly to Ceylon.

The allies have a substantial number of Tenth USAAF Fighters at Bangalore (experience very low, in the 40s') and 227 II U. S. Fighters at Hyderabad. I don't think El Lobo knows that the II U.S. Fighters and V U.S. Bombers are in India and I would like to keep it that way until El Lobo either invades India or I launch an offensive to take back Burma.

I have issued orders for all India AFQ fighter squadrons to fly to Madras. They should land tomorrow. The day before, several AFQ Bombers landed in Madras.

I am considering sending the entire 221 RAF Group (fighters and Bombers) from Karachi to Madras.

Other than that, approximately 15 submarines are forming an Est-West line just below where the two Carriers were last spotted. Once the line is formed, the subs will head due North in an attempt to intercept the carriers and inflict damage on them.

Best Regards,

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/4/2016 10:12:47 PM   
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Combat Report

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June 10, 1942


An interesting day; the Japanese did not attack with any Aircraft today. Several Allied submarines launched numerous torpedos at several enemy ships East and Southeast of Trincomalee but only scored one hit. El Lobo is determined to push the Chinese out of the wooded hex near Tienshui; the Japanese have bombbardeded the Chinese there consecutively for numerous days.

Japanese Capture Sining and Mataram:

Ground combat at Sining (80,32)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5185 troops, 2 guns, 648 vehicles, Assault Value = 366

Defending force 8987 troops, 62 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 62

Japanese adjusted assault: 286

Allied adjusted defense: 130

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Sining !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
4246 casualties reported
Squads: 166 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 233 destroyed, 42 disabled
Engineers: 18 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 36 (8 destroyed, 28 disabled)
Units retreated 8

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
12th Tank Regiment
8th Recon Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
10th Tank Regiment
5th Armored Car Co
11th Tank Regiment

Defending units:
27th Chinese Corps
82nd Chinese Corps
8th War Area
8th Chinese Base Force
34th Separate Brigade
19th Chinese Base Force
303rd Brigade
21st Chinese Base Force

And at Mataram

Ground combat at Mataram (59,109)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1579 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 26

Defending force 74 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 12

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Mataram !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Allied ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
53rd Naval Guard Unit
62nd Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
Prajoda Garrison Battalion

Japanese 18th Naval Guards Amphibious Assault Namlea:

Amphibious Assault at Namlea (76,108)

TF 342 troops unloading over beach at Namlea, 76,108

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

6 troops of a SNLF HMG Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 18th Nav Gd
17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost overboard during unload of 18th Nav Gd /2
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 18th Nav Gd /2
17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of 18th Nav Gd /3
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 18th Nav Gd /3

Japanese Shove Back Allies Near Koepang:

Ground combat at 69,116 (near Koepang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3201 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 122

Defending force 1234 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 38

Japanese adjusted assault: 100

Allied adjusted defense: 25

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
272 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
58th Infantry Brigade

Defending units:
Timor Garrison Battalion
Dili Detachment
Koepang Base Force

Japanese Do Not Let-Up on Bombarding Chinese Near Tienshui:

Ground combat at 81,39 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 62112 troops, 1161 guns, 583 vehicles, Assault Value = 1778

Defending force 24092 troops, 60 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 531

Allied ground losses:
311 casualties reported
Squads: 27 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
37th Division
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
10th Division
59th Infantry Brigade
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
14th Division
7th RF Gun Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Ind. Field Artillery Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd RF Gun Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
4th RF Gun Battalion
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Mortar Battalion
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
6th RF Gun Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Field Artillery Regiment
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
26th Field Artillery Regiment
11th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
120th Red Chinese Division
115th Red Chinese Division
129th Red Chinese Division
13th Chinese Corps
77th Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
71st Chinese Corps
79th Chinese Corps
6th War Area
14th Group Army
18th Group Army

SS Truant Puts a Torpedo into xAP Kowa Maru Near Trincomalee!

Sub attack near Trincomalee at 36,50

Japanese Ships
xAP Kowa Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
PB Syozui Maru
PB Nanrei Maru
PB Kamitsu Maru
xAP Dairen Maru
xAP Argentina Maru
xAP Brazil Maru
PB Suyozai Maru
PB Toyotu Maru
PB Tomitu Maru

Allied Ships
SS Truant

SS Truant launches 6 torpedoes at xAP Kowa Maru
Truant diving deep ....
PB Suyozai Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Toyotu Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Tomitu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Suyozai Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Tomitu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Tomitu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Tomitu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Tomitu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Tomitu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Chinese Bash Japanese Near Chungking!

Ground combat at 77,47 (near Chungking)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 59700 troops, 544 guns, 116 vehicles, Assault Value = 1606

Defending force 37875 troops, 236 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 958

Japanese adjusted assault: 995

Allied adjusted defense: 1321

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3264 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 152 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1446 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 164 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled

Assaulting units:
13th Division
61st Infantry Brigade
35th Division
116th Division
34th Division
32nd Division
11th Army
2nd Ind. Engineer Regiment
8th Ind. Engineer Regiment

Defending units:
37th Chinese Corps
28th Chinese Corps
46th Chinese Corps
49th Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Corps
7th New Chinese Corps
33rd Group Army
10th Group Army
22nd Group Army
92nd Chinese Corps

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/5/2016 11:20:30 AM   
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Am not intimate with IJN carrier complements, but 144 bombers would seem to indicate a minimum of 3 fleet carriers which would mean a minimum of 70-90 fighters.

My guess is that they are running somewhere around 50% CAP and 35 fighters was what was encountered on CAP by the NAV search plane.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/5/2016 12:40:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

The 144 bombers is a telltale sign that the fighter assessment is low.

Am not intimate with IJN carrier complements, but 144 bombers would seem to indicate a minimum of 3 fleet carriers which would mean a minimum of 70-90 fighters.

My guess is that they are running somewhere around 50% CAP and 35 fighters was what was encountered on CAP by the NAV search plane.


Hans-

On June 5, 1942 the Suryu, Hiryu, Shokaku, and Zuikaku launched fighters to intercept Allied Bombers attempting to bomb Japanese troops that landed at Trincomalee.

Perhaps, those carriers have left, and these are new carriers.

However, El Lobo could have two different groups of Carriers around Ceylon.

Accordingly, I'm not going to risk sending a Surface Combat Fleet or the British Carriers down there.

I might commit the entire 221 RAF Group.

And, I have committed all submarines in the area to looking for the Carriers in an attempt to get lucky and damage one!

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/6/2016 4:58:58 PM   
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June 11, 1942


El Lobo's 18th Naval Guard War Mongers Capture Namlea:

Ground combat at Namlea (76,108)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 692 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 4

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Namlea !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
18th Naval Guard Unit

Chinese 81st Corps Loses Terrain Near Paotow:

Ground combat at 90,32 (near Paotow)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 5856 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 211

Defending force 1305 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 40

Japanese adjusted assault: 141

Allied adjusted defense: 11

Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), leaders(+), leaders(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
434 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
13th Ind.Mixed Brigade

Defending units:
81st Chinese Corps

Chinese Take a Beating and Retreat Near Kweiyang:

Ground combat at 75,50 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 45100 troops, 537 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 1499

Defending force 3168 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9

Japanese adjusted assault: 1364

Allied adjusted defense: 25

Japanese assault odds: 54 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
979 casualties reported
Squads: 55 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 85 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 9 (6 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units retreated 5

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
40th Division
39th Division
3rd Division
55th Infantry Brigade
28th Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd RF Gun Battalion
21st Mortar Battalion
RGC Army
5th RF Gun Battalion
1st JAAF AF Coy
8th Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd JAAF AF Coy
67th JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
74th Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
19th Group Army
29th Group Army
17th Chinese Base Force

Japanese Artillery Continue to Hammer Chinese in the Forest Near Tienshui:

Ground combat at 81,39 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 62162 troops, 1161 guns, 583 vehicles, Assault Value = 1785

Defending force 23773 troops, 53 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 520

Allied ground losses:
209 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
37th Division
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
59th Infantry Brigade
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
10th Division
14th Division
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd RF Gun Battalion
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
4th RF Gun Battalion
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Mortar Battalion
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
7th RF Gun Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Ind. Field Artillery Regiment
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Field Artillery Regiment
26th Field Artillery Regiment
6th RF Gun Battalion
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
71st Chinese Corps
120th Red Chinese Division
13th Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
77th Chinese Corps
129th Red Chinese Division
79th Chinese Corps
14th Group Army
18th Group Army
6th War Area
115th Red Chinese Division

Japanese Big Ships Bombard Trincomalee:

Night Naval bombardment of Trincomalee at 31,47 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei
CL Naka
CL Sendai

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Runway hits 13
Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 1

F1M2 Pete acting as spotter for BB Kirishima
BB Kirishima firing at Trincomalee Fortress
Trincomalee Fortress firing at BB Kirishima
BB Hiei firing at Trincomalee Fortress
Trincomalee Fortress firing at BB Hiei
E13A1 Jake acting as spotter for CL Naka
CL Naka firing at Trincomalee
E13A1 Jake acting as spotter for CL Sendai
CL Sendai firing at 99th Indian Brigade

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/6/2016 9:21:55 PM   
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Japanese Carriers Sighted!

June 12, 1942


Enemy Carriers

If the sighting is accurate, El Lobo has a Task Force of eight Japanese Carriers in the Bay of Bengal South of Vizagapatnam. Four CVs and four CVLs. See map below.

Approximatey 16 submarines are searching for the enemy carriers hoping to get lucky!

Attempt to Lead El Lobo Astray

As many of you in The War College are aware, the Allies have built up the Aleutian Islands in an attempt to mislead El Lobo that the Allies intend an early invasion of Hokkaido and the Kurile Islands; hoping that El Lobo will divert troops there to garrison those bases.

Presently, 9 regiments plus supported with AA units, artillery units, army construction and combat construction units, a SeaBee unit, and Port Service unit are in Alaska Proper and the Aleutian Islands. All Ports, Air Bases, and Forts are building up nicely.

To further propagate this ruse, the Allies are sending 30 submarines to patrol off the Southern coast of Hokkaido and the Kurile Islands.

These allied submarines are a few days out of Wake Island where they will refuel and immediately head to patrol the waters South of
Hokkaido and the Kurile Islands.

Anyone think El Lobo will fall for this feint?

India Aircraft Moving to Hammer Japanese at Trincomalee

1.) Today, June 12, 1942 orders were issued to approximated 60 Allied medium level bombers (primarily of India AFQ) to bomb Japanese forces at Trincomalee (i.e., a regiment and a division).

2.) Today, June 12, 1942 orders were issued to the entire 21 RAF Group to fly to Madras (i.e., and additional 167 fighters and medium level bombers) to assist in pulverizing the Japanese at Trincomalee.

3.) The Allies continue to hide the entire 10th USAAF at Bangalore, and the II U.S. Fighters and V U.S. Bombers at Hyderabad.

Best Regards,

-Terry




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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/6/2016 11:43:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		June of 1942 is pretty early for a conquest in that area as most of your fighters cannot transit the gap between the Aleutians and the Kuriles.

As for whether your opponent will rise to the occasion, I have no idea ;]

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/7/2016 12:12:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wargmr

June of 1942 is pretty early for a conquest in that area as most of your fighters cannot transit the gap between the Aleutians and the Kuriles.

As for whether your opponent will rise to the occasion, I have no idea ;]


I have no intent on invading Hokkaido or the Kurile Islands.

I have just set all this up hoping El Lobo will think I am intending to invade there so he diverts troops there.

Best Regards,

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/7/2016 5:16:31 AM   
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Combat Report

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June 12, 1942


Opening Note

Japanese land the 38th Division at Trincomalee. The Japanese now have the 4th and 38th Divisions and the 143rd Infantry Regiment at Trincomalee.

For some reason(s) the medium level bombers at Madras did not bomb the Japanese troops at Trincomalee. Further Allied Dive Bombers did not attack the Japanese Amphibious Assault transports. The weather was moderate rain.

38th Division Amphibious Assaults Trincomalee:

Amphibious Assault at Trincomalee (31,47)

TF 99 troops unloading over beach at Trincomalee, 31,47

Japanese ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 38th Div /6

Japanese Amphibious Assault Hex 67,93 (But, I don't see any action at Hex 67,93):

Amphibious Assault at 67,93

TF 409 troops unloading over beach at 67,93

Japanese ground losses:
209 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Japanese Amphibious Assault Saumlaki:

Amphibious Assault at Saumlaki (78,117)

TF 251 troops unloading over beach at Saumlaki, 78,117

Japanese ground losses:
676 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 82 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 124th Infantry Rgt /12

Yet Again Japanese Bombard Chinese in the Forest Near Tienshui:

Ground combat at 81,39 (near Tienshui)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 62235 troops, 1161 guns, 583 vehicles, Assault Value = 1792

Defending force 23468 troops, 48 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 506

Allied ground losses:
131 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
10th Division
59th Infantry Brigade
37th Division
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
14th Division
7th RF Gun Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd RF Gun Battalion
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
1st Ind. Field Artillery Regiment
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
26th Field Artillery Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th RF Gun Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
4th RF Gun Battalion
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Field Artillery Regiment
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
11th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
71st Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
77th Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Corps
129th Red Chinese Division
79th Chinese Corps
6th War Area
14th Group Army
18th Group Army
115th Red Chinese Division
120th Red Chinese Division

Chinese Hold Their Turf Near Ankang!

Ground combat at 82,43 (near Ankang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7463 troops, 42 guns, 145 vehicles, Assault Value = 295

Defending force 4974 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 103

Japanese adjusted assault: 156

Allied adjusted defense: 124

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
75 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
250 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
9th Tank Regiment
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Recon Regiment

Defending units:
9th Chinese Corps
4th Group Army
38th Chinese Corps

Trincomalee Big Guns Hammer Japanese Transports!

Invasion Support action off Trincomalee (31,47)

71 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAK Kashii Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires
PB Hakkaisan Maru
PB Nanrei Maru
xAP Dairen Maru

Japanese ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging xAK Kashii Maru at 9,000 yards
PB Hakkaisan Maru firing to suppress enemy battery at 9,000 yards
6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging xAK Kashii Maru at 9,000 yards
PB Hakkaisan Maru firing to suppress enemy battery at 9,000 yards
6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging xAK Kashii Maru at 9,000 yards
PB Nanrei Maru fired at enemy guns
PB Hakkaisan Maru fired at enemy guns
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

And

Invasion Support action off Trincomalee (31,47)

Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

113 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAP Dairen Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire
PB Nanrei Maru
PB Hakkaisan Maru

Japanese ground losses:
125 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging xAP Dairen Maru at 5,000 yards
6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging xAP Dairen Maru at 5,000 yards
6" Mk V/VII Gun Battery engaging xAP Dairen Maru at 5,000 yards
PB Nanrei Maru fired at enemy guns
PB Hakkaisan Maru fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/7/2016 5:23:05 AM   
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Question for The War College

Regarding Madras Medium Level Bombers

June 12, 1942


Can any of you detect a reason as to why the Madras Medium Level Bombers did not bomb the Japanese troops at Trincomalee? Might my settings be wrong?

Best Regards,

-Terry




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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/7/2016 11:23:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		You need a good pre-existing D/L on the troops there and good enough visibility on the day. You had moderate rain which makes visibility an issue, even when you fly low.
And then there is the threat level from enemy fighters vs. your own fighter escort. At a range of 7 hexes I doubt you had any escorts set to make the trip.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/7/2016 11:28:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Regarding the DL, recon is a must. Even recon with bombers is better than no recon at all.

IIRC recon type planes raise DL by 4 while non-recon types raise it by 2.

However, the primary reason missions don't fly is weather.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/7/2016 7:43:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

You need a good pre-existing D/L on the troops there and good enough visibility on the day. You had moderate rain which makes visibility an issue, even when you fly low.
And then there is the threat level from enemy fighters vs. your own fighter escort. At a range of 7 hexes I doubt you had any escorts set to make the trip.



BBfanboy-

Correct, the fighters based at Madras could not reach Trincomalee at normal range set si I didn't have any fighter escorts with the bombers.

I do have recon with Recon aircraft.

Thank you for your help and please read next message to Hans for Allied plans to better effectuate bombing of Japanese troops at Tincomalee.

Best Regards,

Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/7/2016 7:49:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Regarding the DL, recon is a must. Even recon with bombers is better than no recon at all.

IIRC recon type planes raise DL by 4 while non-recon types raise it by 2.

However, the primary reason missions don't fly is weather.



Hans-

I do have IIRC recon aircraft flying over Trincomalee.

But, no fighter escorts as the fighters at Trincomalee exceeded the fighters normal range.

I am flying two bomber squadrons and three fighter squadrons to Colombo. I will bomb Japanese troops at Trincomalee from Colombo, and exchange fresh bombers and fighters from Madras with those at Colombo when the Colombo bombers and fighters need rest.

Lastly, I have decided to keep the Tenth USAAF, the II U.S. Fighters, and the II U.S. bombers hidden. However, the vast majority of 221 Group RAF fighters and bombers are in route to Madras to assist with the bombing campaign of Trincomalee.

You and BBfanboy have set me on the right track.

Thank you for your help.

Best Regards,

Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/7/2016 7:52:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just let us know when you figure out how to get the weather to cooperate!

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/7/2016 7:54:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Just let us know when you figure out how to get the weather to cooperate!



BBfanboy-

I was counting on you and Hans to advise regarding what the Allies can do to secure sunny days over Trincomalee.

*laughing hard*

Best Regards,

-Terry

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