Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

Pelton, so many people will say "another unskilled victim", but overlook the talent it takes to handle the German side so decisively. Wonderful play, or do I say, " he,he,he" ???

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ORIGINAL: chaos45

Well Im next on Peltons chopping block so will see. I could be mistaken but the Logistics are very,
very generous to the Axis is what Im seeing.
Started to test games against people to test my tactics one quit when he had an early mud turn but both said my moves werent
affecting their logistics at all...if thats the case the game has some serious issues as the Germans shouldnt be able to just
keep advancing with no issues away from the rail lines.

Talk is cheap, show some picture

Looking at the this game I almost laugh because only in Germans wildest dreams could they supply those positions in the real
situation. Rostov was a winter 41 conquest...and surrounding moscow/taking rostov in September of 41....again the Soviet player
made some mistakes but those germans units realistically should be short/out of near everything supply wise and low CV. I highly
doubt thats the case and they could probably withstand counterattacks by the best Soviets units on the board with ease.



Looking forward to the next patch toning down the Germans some as it does seem they need beat with the nerf bat. Not just from
Peltons game but also an earlier one by Sapper.

Saper games I would not judge as normal as there were on not based on rulestes

From my brief experience so far in online server play the Soviets seems a tad pathetic compared to real life...the germans
constantly praised how hard the Soviets fought and the losses they inflicted on the German army even early on in this campaign.
Most German memories talk about how very early on their units suffered casualties and that the Enemy fought more determinedly in
the east than all the other campaigns....yet the Soviets roll over die, and cant counterattack a wet paperbag in the game.

So yet hopefully next patch tones down logistics, greatly needed....and increases losses for both sides. Really tired of seeing
Soviet attacks where the Germasn are outnumber 3:1 yes somehow the Germans lose 1 squad to kill like 1,000 Soviets lol. Fix that
junk and the game will become more realistic right off....even a failed attack should attrit the defender some is really how the
Germans lost the real war.

They won tactically over and over again but each time they took losses and eventually not enough Germans were left and then the
line breaks. At a 100:1 exchange rate that will never happen, and well if your exchanging that bad what are you attacking with
untrained children with no weapons? Think the Soviets deserve abit more credit than that.

Historicialy speak with out trucks from USA Russia was toast in 42.

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ORIGINAL: chaos45

Well Im next on Peltons chopping block so will see. I could be mistaken but the Logistics are very, very generous to the Axis is what Im seeing. Started to test games against people to test my tactics one quit when he had an early mud turn but both said my moves werent affecting their logistics at all...if thats the case the game has some serious issues as the Germans shouldnt be able to just keep advancing with no issues away from the rail lines.

Looking at the this game I almost laugh because only in Germans wildest dreams could they supply those positions in the real situation. Rostov was a winter 41 conquest...and surrounding moscow/taking rostov in September of 41....again the Soviet player made some mistakes but those germans units realistically should be short/out of near everything supply wise and low CV. I highly doubt thats the case and they could probably withstand counterattacks by the best Soviets units on the board with ease.

Looking forward to the next patch toning down the Germans some as it does seem they need beat with the nerf bat. Not just from Peltons game but also an earlier one by Sapper.

From my brief experience so far in online server play the Soviets seems a tad pathetic compared to real life...the germans constantly praised how hard the Soviets fought and the losses they inflicted on the German army even early on in this campaign. Most German memories talk about how very early on their units suffered casualties and that the Enemy fought more determinedly in the east than all the other campaigns....yet the Soviets roll over die, and cant counterattack a wet paperbag in the game.

So yet hopefully next patch tones down logistics, greatly needed....and increases losses for both sides. Really tired of seeing Soviet attacks where the Germasn are outnumber 3:1 yes somehow the Germans lose 1 squad to kill like 1,000 Soviets lol. Fix that junk and the game will become more realistic right off....even a failed attack should attrit the defender some is really how the Germans lost the real war.

They won tactically over and over again but each time they took losses and eventually not enough Germans were left and then the line breaks. At a 100:1 exchange rate that will never happen, and well if your exchanging that bad what are you attacking with untrained children with no weapons? Think the Soviets deserve abit more credit than that.

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ORIGINAL: Pelton


Ok them there are the combat ratio's and I don't see many 2-1 odd quarters, do you?

Germany was bleeding Russia to death based on data not politics.

Russia was saved first by American trucks and then 2nd Germany had 20 to 30% of its forces on other fronts.

No England, no America = no Russia.

People bring up the simple facts and they simply will not believe them for some reason and its got nothing to do with the data. They are personally invested in believing something that's simply not true.

I know Germany lost the war, but it was a team effort Russia simply did not have the human bodys to grind Germany down.
Russia to death based on data not politics. Russia was saved first by American trucks and then 2nd Germany had 20 to 30% of its forces on other fronts. No England, no America = no Russia. People bring up the simple facts and they simply will not believe them for some reason and its got nothing to do with the data. They are personally invested in believing something that's simply not true. I know Germany lost the war, but it was a team effort Russia simply did not have the human bodys to grind Germany down.

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ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

Because Lend Lease was critical to winning Stalingrad.

Oh wait.

Lend Lease is what got the Red Army to Berlin before the Allies. It did not save them. That the Soviets did mostly on their own. Lend Lease was an extremely marginal affair prior to 1943.