Slitherine

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Night Naval bombardment of Pearl Harbor at 180,107 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5 Catalina: 37 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 2 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 15 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged
C-33: 1 damaged
C-33: 1 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 13 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 12 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 3 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 8 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 1 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 5 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 1 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 5 damaged
O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 1 damaged

79 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga
BB Ise, Shell hits 1
BB Yamashiro
BB Fuso
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato
CL Kitakami
CL Kinu
CL Yura
CL Naka
DD Tadeshiwa
DD Inazuma
DD Ikazuchi
DD Shiranui
DD Isokaze
DD Kagero
DD Akigumo

Allied ground losses:
433 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 17 destroyed, 40 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 36 (15 destroyed, 21 disabled)
Vehicles lost 42 (6 destroyed, 36 disabled)

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

All damaged planes are still in your hands. You lost nine planes. He has to withdraw these guys to Truk (?) to reload. He risked the substantial mines at PH. I know they don't hurt Bombardments much, but they can still hit.

Overall, I think a pretty dumb move by Japan. A signal he's done with Pearl, more or less, for now.

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

All damaged planes are still in your hands. You lost nine planes. He has to withdraw these guys to Truk (?) to reload. He risked the substantial mines at PH. I know they don't hurt Bombardments much, but they can still hit.

Overall, I think a pretty dumb move by Japan. A signal he's done with Pearl, more or less, for now.

Probably Truk yes. Donīt think the Japs have any AEs/AKEs big enough to reload BBs at Midway? Do they?

After 4 PBEMs I lack faith in mines and CD guns. This didnīt help. You are right about the move though. I wouldnīt call it dumb but rather unnecessary. I donīt have any planes left so he will have full control of the skies in a couple of turns. He could have achieved a better result with just sweeping.

Perhaps that is his plan? Clear the skies and then methodically bomb out the stricken BBs. Probably will work. But Iīm not sure its worth the effort.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

All damaged planes are still in your hands. You lost nine planes. He has to withdraw these guys to Truk (?) to reload. He risked the substantial mines at PH. I know they don't hurt Bombardments much, but they can still hit.

Overall, I think a pretty dumb move by Japan. A signal he's done with Pearl, more or less, for now.

Probably Truk yes. Donīt think the Japs have any AEs/AKEs big enough to reload BBs at Midway? Do they?

After 4 PBEMs I lack faith in mines and CD guns. This didnīt help. You are right about the move though. I wouldnīt call it dumb but rather unnecessary. I donīt have any planes left so he will have full control of the skies in a couple of turns. He could have achieved a better result with just sweeping.

Perhaps that is his plan? Clear the skies and then methodically bomb out the stricken BBs. Probably will work. But Iīm not sure its worth the effort.

The CD guns at Pearl will devastate any landings. Against an in-and-out night bombardment with no radar they're as any CD installation anywhere. I've tested a day landing in a testbed. Brutal.

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Intimidated is a bit mildly put!

Just looked at the turn for 30 minutes now. Canīt really decide what to do...my first instinct was to divert everything towards PH and defend it to the death. But after pondering for a while Iīm more inclined to do absolutely nothing about it. At least not for now. With the amount of troops in Malaya there is zero threat to PH itself. At worst the damaged BBs are toast. But they themselves are not worth any major risks.

One thing really strikes me though. If this is something serious and not just a feint...then there wonīt be any India invasion, nor any OZ invasion. Because KB will be pinned in Hawaii until the Japanese leave or PH is captured. And if I know where the KB will be for the next 6-12 months...

I have until tonight to send the turn back. Going to ponder this for a while. Advice is welcome!

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Intimidated is a bit mildly put!

Just looked at the turn for 30 minutes now. Canīt really decide what to do...my first instinct was to divert everything towards PH and defend it to the death. But after pondering for a while Iīm more inclined to do absolutely nothing about it. At least not for now. With the amount of troops in Malaya there is zero threat to PH itself. At worst the damaged BBs are toast. But they themselves are not worth any major risks.

One thing really strikes me though. If this is something serious and not just a feint...then there wonīt be any India invasion, nor any OZ invasion. Because KB will be pinned in Hawaii until the Japanese leave or PH is captured. And if I know where the KB will be for the next 6-12 months...

I have until tonight to send the turn back. Going to ponder this for a while. Advice is welcome!

Of the Big 3 ahistoric 1942 moves--India, Oz, and Hawaii--Hawaii is by far the worst for Japan. There's just no strategic payoff. No HI, no supply generation. Not on the way to anywhere sustainable for them.

Build PH forts like your ass is on fire. You have plenty of engineers there on 12/7. Put whatever healthy surface assets you have in TFs in the harbor for AA. If they get hit the shipyard is yards away.

The outer islands are an air play; don't play. Let him eat supply.

A lot of folks think the outer islands let him raid the WC to Pearl routes. Go south and come at PH from the SE. If you want to get really radical you can use the Canal Zone as a primary supply rather than LA or an Diego. Takes a few weeks to fill the pipeline.

If he does go for the outer islands expect a move on Christmas very soon. Palmyra. Complicates the surface routes for you, but a lot more for him keeping the whole rickety machine supplied and especially fueled.

CAP your WC aircraft factories hard. Don't send your fighters to Oz yet. Put some S-boats on N-S patrol routes at KB ranges. Maybe 6-7 hexes out off SF, Seattle, etc.

Build forts everywhere. Did I mention forts?

Wait six months. While you do secure Ceylon. I'm not one who thinks it should be given away. That shipyard will save you many ship-years of transits.

Probably a lot of other stuff, but this is better for you than some alternatives.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Intimidated is a bit mildly put!

Just looked at the turn for 30 minutes now. Canīt really decide what to do...my first instinct was to divert everything towards PH and defend it to the death. But after pondering for a while Iīm more inclined to do absolutely nothing about it. At least not for now. With the amount of troops in Malaya there is zero threat to PH itself. At worst the damaged BBs are toast. But they themselves are not worth any major risks.

One thing really strikes me though. If this is something serious and not just a feint...then there wonīt be any India invasion, nor any OZ invasion. Because KB will be pinned in Hawaii until the Japanese leave or PH is captured. And if I know where the KB will be for the next 6-12 months...

I have until tonight to send the turn back. Going to ponder this for a while. Advice is welcome!

Of the Big 3 ahistoric 1942 moves--India, Oz, and Hawaii--Hawaii is by far the worst for Japan. There's just no strategic payoff. No HI, no supply generation. Not on the way to anywhere sustainable for them.

Build PH forts like your ass is on fire. You have plenty of engineers there on 12/7. Put whatever healthy surface assets you have in TFs in the harbor for AA. If they get hit the shipyard is yards away.

The outer islands are an air play; don't play. Let him eat supply.

A lot of folks think the outer islands let him raid the WC to Pearl routes. Go south and come at PH from the SE. If you want to get really radical you can use the Canal Zone as a primary supply rather than LA or an Diego. Takes a few weeks to fill the pipeline.

If he does go for the outer islands expect a move on Christmas very soon. Palmyra. Complicates the surface routes for you, but a lot more for him keeping the whole rickety machine supplied and especially fueled.

CAP your WC aircraft factories hard. Don't send your fighters to Oz yet. Put some S-boats on N-S patrol routes at KB ranges. Maybe 6-7 hexes out off SF, Seattle, etc.

Build forts everywhere. Did I mention forts?

Wait six months. While you do secure Ceylon. I'm not one who thinks it should be given away. That shipyard will save you many ship-years of transits.

Probably a lot of other stuff, but this is better for you than some alternatives.

Good advice Moose, but did you forget about the 20 HI and 80 LI at PH? Or were you discounting it because it needs extra resources brought in to operate at capacity?

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Good advice Moose, but did you forget about the 20 HI and 80 LI at PH? Or were you discounting it because it needs extra resources brought in to operate at capacity?

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ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

Joc, what does he have near the DEI shipping wise? Carriers? CVs or the CVLs? First thing I would do is route the Enterprise and Lexington towards Rabaul to keep him from capturing it early. It will be close but you might have just enough time to intercept or at least damage the invasion fleet (assuming that he tries to take it on the cheap). Then you can redirect your carriers towards the DEI so you can contest his attempts there...

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
I'm discounting it because a player of Jocke's caliber should never lose PH. See previous on CD and "ass on fire." Getting the defense multiple up as fast as possible is very important.

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ORIGINAL: paullus99

Well, don't know about the timetable - but is he light anywhere else on the map, given the standard opening moves of the majority of players?

And what is the possibility of ramming through some quick reinforcements from the West Coast? I know you don't have much to work with right now, but some cheap AKs and the ability to fly in additional planes / troops might help in the short term.

Just a thought.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I am not yet convinced he intends to take PH. I think he wants to isolate it so that he has a freer hand to pursue an Alaska/North America strategy. Canoerebel was only able to stave off Auto-victory by PzJH by keeping enough air and land units around to reinforce Vancouver Island and Prince Rupert. He had just enough to prevent the Japanese from bombing the aircraft industries at Seattle. The game stalled out when PzJH could make no more progress and Canoerebel was advancing everywhere else.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

I would be stunned if he did not have a multi-phased plan! Whatever it is, you will have to think months ahead to be dealing with it competitively.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Busuanga at 77,80

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
Vildebeest III x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Vildebeest III: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Kinrei Maru
xAK Chojun Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Japanese ground losses:
876 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 17 destroyed, 5 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

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Sub attack near Busuanga at 77,80

Japanese Ships
xAKL Shun Yuan, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Sailfish

Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

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Ground combat at Dutch Harbor (171,50)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6349 troops, 45 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 284

Defending force 3804 troops, 62 guns, 18 vehicles, Assault Value = 81

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 85

Allied adjusted defense: 57

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(-), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
182 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Allied ground losses:
137 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
16th Recon Regiment
9th Infantry Regiment
20th Infantry Regiment
16th Engineer Regiment

Defending units:
37th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
Dutch Harbor USN Base Force
2/250th Coastal Artillery Battalion

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

If there are more TFs hanging around the Philippines, try putting your P-40Es on low naval attack at 100 feet. Restrict the range to "normal" so they will carry 500 lb bombs. Regardless of low skill in that attack mode, they will get hits at 100'.