Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Yeah. I used up my first 150 PPs just swapping out key fighter group COs with Air in the 20s. Many more to go. But Nimitz has to be in there somewhere too if Oahu is invaded.

Edit: Perceval stays this time in my new game. Not worth it against a great player.

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

On a different matter...

Am I allowed to use West Coast restricted forces in Canada? Like the Japanese can use Manchuria forces in Korea? I think the entire Canada consists of 14 AV or something.

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

On a different matter...

Am I allowed to use West Coast restricted forces in Canada? Like the Japanese can use Manchuria forces in Korea? I think the entire Canada consists of 14 AV or something.

Given Canada can be invaded without invoking emergency reinforcements I would think an allowance for US units to garrison Canada is essential.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

47 Cats destroyed already! Ouch!

Are you starting to feel restricted in your searches because of this or are there enough assets to cover?

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TF 89 encounters mine field at Lahaina (182,108)

Japanese Ships
DD Samidare, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
TB Kari

4 mines cleared

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Afternoon Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 77
B5N1 Kate x 12
B5N2 Kate x 82
D3A1 Val x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Port hits 7
Port supply hits 4

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Sub attack near Busuanga at 76,79

Japanese Ships
xAK Yuzan Maru, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
xAK Okuni Maru
xAK Tone Maru
xAK Koyu Maru
xAK Lima Maru
DD Susuki

Allied Ships
SS S-38

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TF 14 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

36 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
DMS Sureko, Shell hits 4, on fire
DMS Uruko, Shell hits 5
DMS Taneko, Shell hits 2, on fire
DMS W-4
E Saga, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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TF 11 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
CA Kumano, Mine hits 1

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II./90th Infantry Battalion is planning for an attack on Efate.

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TF 11 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
DD Hagikaze
DD Nowaki, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

1 mine cleared

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TF 11 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
CA Suzuya, Mine hits 1

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Rabaul at 106,125, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
TB Sagi, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
PB Kinsyo Maru #4, Shell hits 20, and is sunk
AK Sakito Maru, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Arabia Maru, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Tsukuba Maru, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Tatuno Maru, Shell hits 10, heavy fires
xAK Montreal Maru
xAK Taian Maru, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Tokati Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Chester
CA Chicago, Shell hits 1
DD Craven
DD Gridley
DD McCall
DD Maury
DD Benham, Shell hits 1
DD Ellet

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Ground combat at Rabaul (106,125)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6593 troops, 33 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 145

Defending force 1806 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 48

Japanese adjusted assault: 93

Allied adjusted defense: 19

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Rabaul !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Catalina I: 3 destroyed
Hudson I: 2 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
127 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
853 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 3

Assaulting units:
Guards Mixed Brigade
35th JNAF AF Unit

Defending units:
A Coy/NG Rifles
Lark Battalion
Rabaul Base Force

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JocMeister: I´m actually not THAT worried. He can gain some strategic VPs but going up against a good CAP will cost him precious KB pilots. Probably a good trade for me as long as I can avoid AV. People also seem to forget that in order to destroy AC factories permanently (non repairable) you need to create "firestorms". If I as the allies couldn´t do that with 250 B29s the KB certainly won´t be able to.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

There is another way that aircraft factories can be destroyed - if the enemy conquers a base, some of the aircraft factories disappear completely (as does half the HI) and the remaining aircraft factories are converted to vehicle or armament factories. They cannot be converted back to aircraft factories.
Keep some of those restricted divisions in LA and Seattle and any other coastal location with aircraft factories.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
There is another way that aircraft factories can be destroyed - if the enemy conquers a base, some of the aircraft factories disappear completely (as does half the HI) and the remaining aircraft factories are converted to vehicle or armament factories. They cannot be converted back to aircraft factories.
Keep some of those restricted divisions in LA and Seattle and any other coastal location with aircraft factories.

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Nice job on that Rabaul convoy! I especially like how you deliberately left Montreal Maru alone so she could unload her cargo of poutine to clog the arteries of the IJA troops!

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Following the lead of other players, I usually use my Cats in the New Guinea/New Britain/New Ireland area to airlift the troops from Rabaul to Port Moresby.
Then I try to pick up the companies at Lae, etc. to reform the PM Brigade. Even cadres of each unit are useful at PM, especially engineers and air support.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
While the manual doesn't say this is an only-Japan mechanism I suspect it is. The Allies have no Vehicle factories. I doubt the devs wrote a whole lot of code to handle the highly unlikely prospect of WC aircraft factories being captured. And since the Allies don't deal with Vehicle points or Armament points, such factories would have to be coded to produce specific devices, maybe even dealing with obsolete devices as well. And hard-coding THAT into the EXE could crash an editor-made scenario with an OOB that didn't use those devices.

Has anybody ever tested loss of US aircraft factories?

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
While the manual doesn't say this is an only-Japan mechanism I suspect it is. The Allies have no Vehicle factories. I doubt the devs wrote a whole lot of code to handle the highly unlikely prospect of WC aircraft factories being captured. And since the Allies don't deal with Vehicle points or Armament points, such factories would have to be coded to produce specific devices, maybe even dealing with obsolete devices as well. And hard-coding THAT into the EXE could crash an editor-made scenario with an OOB that didn't use those devices.

Has anybody ever tested loss of US aircraft factories?

You might be right about that. If I find the time I´ll try it during the weekend. Should be fairly easy to set up in the editor.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna



I'd bet a whole lot of something that US a/c factories turned into Veh/Arm factories if taken over by Japan. Should the US then take them back, I'd bet they remain Veh/Arm even though you have no use for them. You'd have points you could never spend.

Try capturing the industry in Oz - that should tell you. There are a few a/c factories there. At Melbourne, IIRC. I actually have a game with Japan against the AI where I took Melbourne, and could tell you, but it's not on this computer.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna



I'd bet a whole lot of something that US a/c factories turned into Veh/Arm factories if taken over by Japan. Should the US then take them back, I'd bet they remain Veh/Arm even though you have no use for them. You'd have points you could never spend.

Try capturing the industry in Oz - that should tell you. There are a few a/c factories there. At Melbourne, IIRC. I actually have a game with Japan against the AI where I took Melbourne, and could tell you, but it's not on this computer.

So what would they do? Just sit there dead?

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


I'd bet a whole lot of something that US a/c factories turned into Veh/Arm factories if taken over by Japan. Should the US then take them back, I'd bet they remain Veh/Arm even though you have no use for them. You'd have points you could never spend.

Try capturing the industry in Oz - that should tell you. There are a few a/c factories there. At Melbourne, IIRC. I actually have a game with Japan against the AI where I took Melbourne, and could tell you, but it's not on this computer.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


I'd bet a whole lot of something that US a/c factories turned into Veh/Arm factories if taken over by Japan. Should the US then take them back, I'd bet they remain Veh/Arm even though you have no use for them. You'd have points you could never spend.

Try capturing the industry in Oz - that should tell you. There are a few a/c factories there. At Melbourne, IIRC. I actually have a game with Japan against the AI where I took Melbourne, and could tell you, but it's not on this computer.

I just tested it in San Diego.

When Japan takes the factories they do turn into Vehicle factories. When the US re-takes San Diego they turn into . . . nothing. Gone. Not aircraft factories, not Vehicle. Just gone. The industry icons end at the shipyard.

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ORIGINAL: paullus99

That scenarios even exist that allow the Japanese player to have even a half-way decent shot at "strategic" bombing the Continental US just shows the depths to which the fanboys have gone to turn this game into science fiction.

I'm not sure what sane Allied player would get any enjoyment at being at the receiving end of a completely unstoppable Japanese advance, backed up with enough production to make any counterattack so fraught with peril that even the best possible outcome would be a years-long slog that could be ended by a single bad throw of the dice (one carrier engagement goes bad, for example).

Sorry, but these modded scenarios have taken this game into the nether regions.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: paullus99

That scenarios even exist that allow the Japanese player to have even a half-way decent shot at "strategic" bombing the Continental US just shows the depths to which the fanboys have gone to turn this game into science fiction.

I'm not sure what sane Allied player would get any enjoyment at being at the receiving end of a completely unstoppable Japanese advance, backed up with enough production to make any counterattack so fraught with peril that even the best possible outcome would be a years-long slog that could be ended by a single bad throw of the dice (one carrier engagement goes bad, for example).

Sorry, but these modded scenarios have taken this game into the nether regions.

Strategic bombing CONUS has nothing to do with modded scenarios. You could do it in stock Scenario 1 if you wanted to. It has everything to do with the underprepared nature of the CONUS OOB and nothing to do with so-called fanboy scenarios.

And all this pearl-clutching and hand-wringing about strat bombing of CONUS ignores the strategic opportunity cost to the IJN such an operation would entail. Don't panic and think about it. You'll see.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: paullus99

That scenarios even exist that allow the Japanese player to have even a half-way decent shot at "strategic" bombing the Continental US just shows the depths to which the fanboys have gone to turn this game into science fiction.

I'm not sure what sane Allied player would get any enjoyment at being at the receiving end of a completely unstoppable Japanese advance, backed up with enough production to make any counterattack so fraught with peril that even the best possible outcome would be a years-long slog that could be ended by a single bad throw of the dice (one carrier engagement goes bad, for example).

Sorry, but these modded scenarios have taken this game into the nether regions.

Strategic bombing CONUS has nothing to do with modded scenarios. You could do it in stock Scenario 1 if you wanted to. It has everything to do with the underprepared nature of the CONUS OOB and nothing to do with so-called fanboy scenarios.

And all this pearl-clutching and hand-wringing about strat bombing of CONUS ignores the strategic opportunity cost to the IJN such an operation would entail. Don't panic and think about it. You'll see.

I'm in a second, DBB 28C, game where PH was ignored and San Diego's port was hit. Saratoga sunk at the pier. A bunch of other stuff. Manila port also hit hard; I'm down 11 subs and a bunch of the Asiatic fleet on day 3. But no BBs to fix in exchange for a carrier? BBs that work as amphib support in 1942? I dunno. Maybe OK. Many/most of the subs would have had to withdraw in time.

Once the WC is active on the 8th a KB-owner would be nuts to use it on industry. The strat VPs are minor and the US can repair anything they do in weeks. At the cost of the air wing's pilots.

Strat bombing CONUS is possible from Canada. At great opportunity cost. Using carriers on other than a first turn with surprise ON is bad play IMO.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

My only concern as an Allied player would be the aircraft factories getting burned down. Which is not something KB can really accomplish - you'd need LBA with bigger bomb loads to do it reliably. And if you're doing that, there's a whole lot of other stuff you aren't going to be able to do.