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RE: Manila Falls - 6/21/2016 3:11:28 PM   
Bif1961


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RE: Manila Falls - 6/21/2016 3:32:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm wondering the same thing. That's strange. I've never really checked. Can the CD units at LA be moved?

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RE: Manila Falls - 6/21/2016 3:46:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		CD gunfire versus naval bombardments are very weak...but probably pretty well modeled.

Not so against an invasion however.

I don't think the Allies have great search up at present judging from the DL's on my task forces, and you really need lots of night naval search to light up the ships bombarding, plus encounters with other ships, etc., etc.

Also, my ships are keeping their distance -- which helps too.


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RE: Manila Falls - 6/21/2016 3:51:17 PM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		Working on the turn, five minutes here and five minutes there now.

Just upgraded all Oscar r&d factories to the Oscar IV. Oscar IIIa in production now, although I left two size 30's producing the IIb for now. I need to check and see how many IIb squadrons I am stuck with for the rest of the game before I totally shut off production of them.

The A6M5b is in production along with the A6M5. 5c is being researched.

The third size 30 Tony D factory starts research today. No engine bonus here, so 1 month r&d to accelerate 1 month roughly. Just want to move this forward to June or Aug of 43 before moving them down the Tony line.


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RE: Manila Falls - 6/22/2016 2:04:09 AM   
Bif1961


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Status: offline 		As of 1943 Los Angeles Harbor had at least 8 x 14 Inch guns with half able to fire out to 20 miles, 8 x 12 Inch mortars, 8 x 6 Inch guns and 30 x 155mm guns, not counting AAA and 3 inch rapid fire coastal minefield protection weapons. In 1944 2 X 16 Inch battery was completed and another stopped construction. So depending on your distance from the shore for the bombardment TF, you should have encountered at least the 14 Inch guns.

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RE: Manila Falls - 6/24/2016 12:39:47 PM   
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My experience has taught me you need DL for the CD guns to fire, and even when they fire, if you are at range, the ships are pretty darn hard to hit on bombardment missions. Only when you run in close, and use slower ships is there any real danger from CD guns.

Of course CD guns against invasions are a different story.

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RE: Manila Falls - 6/24/2016 11:29:32 PM   
Bif1961


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Status: offline 		One exception was that the Majority of the Coastal Defense guns were at Fort MacArthur in San Pedro. So if you had already taken that then all 14 inch guns and 12 inch mortars would have been captured.

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RE: Manila Falls - 6/26/2016 9:34:00 AM   
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No need to thank me, I feel like its my duty

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RE: Manila Falls - 6/26/2016 1:00:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn is away, computer problems du jour are fixed for now, and we are back on track...

Should be an interesting turn...

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RE: Manila Falls - 6/26/2016 6:38:03 PM   
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A rough night, as I accidentally stood down my local minesweepers and the Allies laid mines at Santa Ana and hit two oilers, sinking both.

Then I moved a carrier fleet that was providing cover over the Channel Island, and lo and behold, I let one small task force of 1 DD and two AK head there...they were sunk by Allied dive bombers. Since the Allies are attacking my ships on the periphery I shall be able to use that against him in the future.

Then the Allied subs get plenty of attacks ...




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RE: Manila Falls - 6/26/2016 6:40:21 PM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		The IJN bombarded LA, San Diego and Camp Pendleton (prior to the attack by the 1st Tank Division).

I was somewhat fearful the Allies would put all their 4E beasties at bombing the troops in Pendleton, but he didn't...I juggled my air cover for no reason.




San Diego Harbor defense is on the ball, but misses...

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RE: Manila Falls - 6/26/2016 6:42:05 PM   
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RE: Manila Falls - 6/26/2016 6:45:13 PM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		Lions, and tigers, and bears! Oh my! Well, in this case Jugs and Lightnings show up in numbers today...their here! Not unexpected, sadly.

At least three squadrons of Jugs show up over Santa Ana...my fighters were elsewhere today, but tomorrow will be interesting.

Tojo IIb will be unloading from AKVs today and tomorrow, as well as Oscar IIb and A6M5. Will they be enough?

I am not looking to win the air war...just protect the ships and troops. Ships to bombard the Allied defenders, and troops to take San Diego.




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RE: Manila Falls - 6/26/2016 6:48:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		A very healthy bombardment of Chunking today...

Lots of destroyed units already. I am bombing heavily daily, but still this is quite unexpected. Perhaps a direct consequence of stacking limits and severe overstacking on the Chinese's part.




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RE: Manila Falls - 6/26/2016 6:54:44 PM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		And the big attack...Camp Pendleton and the size 6 runways...goes as expected.

Even though there is no port here...having Pendleton will really help.




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RE: Manila Falls - 6/28/2016 12:56:08 PM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		I am slogging thru the turn, and it is a slog.

Concerns: The new air frames that the Allies get for the invasion are in play, and I am one day short in taking Pendleton, and my Army based fighters are still one day away.

Subs and mines...minesweepers (local and DMS) are dispatched with patrol zones, careful to stay away from the CD guns. A DMS on minesweeping TF might wander a hex and wander into the CD guns.

Wandering Allied task forces...not much of a threat yet, or at least I feel I have it covered. Constant vigilance is needed here.

My blocking force, initially of over 1000 AV, with lots of tanks and artillery and AA, should make LA today or tomorrow...only two more divisions are on approach, and there is one division unloading now (2nd Tank). Need two more days I think to get most troops unloaded.

Long turns...

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RE: Manila Falls - 6/28/2016 2:01:25 PM   
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I bet you are at the triple checking stage by now.

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RE: Manila Falls - 6/28/2016 5:42:04 PM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		Still working on the turn, and I am mounting another large air operation in addition to all these other clicks.

Jocke has given me another 12 hours to finish the turn, won't need it all as I am very close now.

But, I am spending extra time on triple checking orders as I think Jocke will really try to punch hard tomorrow.

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Going to California! - 6/28/2016 6:41:29 PM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		I saw this little opportunity....potentially a lot of AA guns, so we will go in rather high -- perhaps 15K or even 20K.

Not sure yet.




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RE: Going to California! - 6/28/2016 6:48:46 PM   
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RE: Going to California! - 6/28/2016 6:53:37 PM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		Paratroopers cling to the railroad lines, blocking several intersections...they are busy making Sherman neckties...

Unexpected troop strength...the Butte Rod and Gun Club members organized a strong initial defense buying time for the US Army to rail in more soldiers. The Krag-Jorgensen (aka Springfield 1892-99) Rifle plays an important role in American History once again... of course the rifle was obsolete before it saw service the first time...but it is slick, fast and most of all accurate and plentiful in the environs of Butte's veteran marksmen.




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RE: Going to California! - 6/28/2016 6:58:38 PM   
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RE: Going to California! - 6/28/2016 7:02:53 PM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		Rolling off the assembly lines, so to speak, two new fighters to face the dreaded Lightning/Jugs Allied 1-2...will it be enough?

Wisdom being imparted to the pilots...will it work?




The best Frank A factory, so much rides upon getting them very early, is 2 points away from starting research...

The Sam will take longer...

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RE: Going to California! - 6/28/2016 7:14:30 PM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		Long time readers know that Olorin started this game trying out size 60 r&d facilities, hoping for a greater than 1 point acceleration (or greater than 2 with engine bonus). That has never happened.

Additionally, size 60 r&d facilities are supposed to repair at the same relative rate as a size 30. That, sadly, is not the case for this admittedly small sample size. Every size 60 facility has under performed to a size 30 facility. So sad.

There are still very valid reasons to build a size 60 r&d facility, but not for the above two reasons, imho.

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RE: Manila Falls - 6/29/2016 7:55:16 PM   
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It is with a real sense of dread, that I open this turn. I am expecting a complete bloodbath.

And the 2nd reason is that Jocke thinks he has been hit by a serious bug, a bug bad enough that we maybe force to go back several days.

I played the turn, took pictures, but perhaps I should hold off posting until the bug issue is resolved?

What say you?

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RE: Manila Falls - 6/29/2016 7:59:21 PM   
Lowpe


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 13, 43
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Night Time Surface Combat, near San Francisco at 214,80, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Furutaka, Shell hits 2
DD Kagero, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD McCalla
DD Bancroft
DD Gansevoort, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Gillespie
DD Hobby, Shell hits 2
DD Kalk, Shell hits 2, on fire


Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 46% moonlight: 8,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 7,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 7,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages DD Kalk at 7,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Hobby at 7,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Gillespie at 7,000 yards
DD Gansevoort sunk by DD Kagero at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages DD Kalk at 5,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages DD Hobby at 5,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages DD Hobby at 5,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Hobby at 5,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Gillespie at 5,000 yards
DD Bancroft engages DD Kagero at 5,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Kalk at 6,000 yards
DD Gillespie engages DD Kagero at 6,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Bancroft at 6,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD McCalla at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages DD Kalk at 8,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Hobby at 8,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Gillespie at 8,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Bancroft at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
DD Kalk engages DD Kagero at 11,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD Hobby at 11,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages DD Gillespie at 11,000 yards
DD Bancroft engages DD Kagero at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages DD Kalk at 13,000 yards
DD Hobby engages DD Kagero at 13,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages DD Gillespie at 13,000 yards
DD Bancroft engages DD Kagero at 13,000 yards
DD Kagero engages DD McCalla at 13,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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RE: Manila Falls - 6/29/2016 8:00:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

A teaser picture from the first battle of the night...and definitely not the last.





It's Daliesque.

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RE: Manila Falls - 6/29/2016 8:02:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

It's Daliesque.


Dern, you are fast! I put the wrong picture in!

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RE: Manila Falls - 6/29/2016 9:20:18 PM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		Got another message from my opponent, and it seems like the game will still progress perhaps with a modified tinkering at some point...so no reason not to put up this turn...since Jocke is asking for the replay.

Last we left it, a very small screening task force fought off an Allied destroyer squadron west southwest of San Francisco...

Japanese radio and float planes kept tabs on the destroyers, dropping flares, and a powerful light cruiser force vectored in...




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RE: Manila Falls - 6/29/2016 9:22:14 PM   
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