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Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) GHC Victory - 10/29/2015 11:31:28 AM   
Peltonx


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So started up one vs KWG and MRfloppy.

Standard stuff:

Server game.

1943 -1945 Campaign

FOW and FOM
Locked HQS
No Eastern Front Box
30 day rule = no turns in 30 days by one player the other wins by default.

Standard Settings

Past AAR's

Pelton(Axis) vs S2_Tanker Axis Victory Resigned
Pelton vs meklore61 Turn 72 VP: -617 Axis Victory Resigned
Pelton(Axis) vs Baelfiin Axis Victory Resigned
Pelton( Axis) vs carlkey58 Axis Victory Resigned
Pelton(Axis) vs Jajusha Axis Victory (Resigned)
Pelton(Axis) vs DicedT Axis Victory (Resigned)
1943-1945 Campaign Pelton(Axis) vs Belphegor Axis Victory
Pelton vs Hermann Axis Victory (Resigned)
Pelton vs Sandy Axis Victory (Resigned)
Pelton vs liquadsky WA Victory (Resigned)

The other 7 games other people did the AAR's or they resigned early or disappeared/ 30 day rule.

Good luck men.

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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) - 10/29/2015 11:55:38 PM   
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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) - 10/30/2015 2:15:38 AM   
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That's curious. My first non-AI game was against Pelton too.

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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) - 10/30/2015 10:33:09 AM   
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That's curious. My first non-AI game was against Pelton too.


I did not do the AAR, but you did-added to the list.


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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 - 11/4/2015 8:56:27 AM   
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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 - 11/4/2015 9:00:57 AM   
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Troops are rushed to the Gustav Line.




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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 - 11/4/2015 9:03:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		The lines hold at the Anzio Beachhead and Gustav Line is fully manned, Patton seems a little short on fuel as he was unable to exploit his victory.

The logistics chain was in place before invasions, so as long as lines are static supplies will not be an issue.






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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 - 11/4/2015 12:24:08 PM   
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WAs invaded Italy!!


The WA waited until November (turn 20) to invade mainland?

What do the naval interdiction numbers look like off the beaches? Are you contesting it at all?
Allies having to go a long way in the rain is a nice equalizer for the Luftwaffe.

Axis abandon Sardinia and Corsica per your usual?

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The logistics chain was in place before invasions, so as long as lines are static supplies will not be an issue


Have the WA gone after your Italian rail network (railyards, not rail interdiction)? Fill us in a little on what happened the first 20 weeks of the war. I presume both sides weren't just twiddling thumbs...

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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 - 11/5/2015 12:41:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 20 is definitely late; Germans get a bunch of reinforcements in Oct/Nov, so Allies are really better off with a shallow invasion in September than waiting....just my opinion. That's with EF Box off.

The spot chosen too was not the best; too many hills against the beach that can be used to pin it. North of Lido is a better idea.

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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 - 11/5/2015 3:11:31 AM   
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Turn 20 is definitely late; Germans get a bunch of reinforcements in Oct/Nov, so Allies are really better off with a shallow invasion in September than waiting....just my opinion. That's with EF Box off.


Not just German reinforcements, weather and the daylight window are now working against the Allied air power as well.

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Interdiction values generated by airstrikes are modified by a certain percentage due to the number of hours of
daylight based on the month as follows:
Month ___ Jan Feb Mar Apr May_ Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
% Modifer -20 -10 _0_ +10 +20 +30 +20 +10 _0_ -10 -20 -30

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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 - 11/5/2015 10:49:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Seminole

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WAs invaded Italy!!


The WA waited until November (turn 20) to invade mainland?

Yes

What do the naval interdiction numbers look like off the beaches? Are you contesting it at all?
Allies having to go a long way in the rain is a nice equalizer for the Luftwaffe.

I only contested landings for 3 turns as weather was poor, so I figured I save them for France.

Axis abandon Sardinia and Corsica per your usual?

Yes

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The logistics chain was in place before invasions, so as long as lines are static supplies will not be an issue


Have the WA gone after your Italian rail network (railyards, not rail interdiction)?
Fill us in a little on what happened the first 20 weeks of the war. I presume both sides weren't just twiddling thumbs...


Standard invasion of Sicily, then Sardinia then Italy.

Yes he is bombing railnet ect, but it has little effect as depots are in place by turn 3.

His bombing of Germany is standard Ruhr and Subs and railnet. I am handling LW basicly same way as before with a few tweaks.

KWG seems to have a good handle on the WA air game, invasion mechanics ect.

Solid player.

I am using basic strategy I have always used


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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20 - 11/5/2015 10:53:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Turn 20 is definitely late; Germans get a bunch of reinforcements in Oct/Nov, so Allies are really better off with a shallow invasion in September than waiting....just my opinion. That's with EF Box off.

The spot chosen too was not the best; too many hills against the beach that can be used to pin it. North of Lido is a better idea.


North of Lido I had all my panzers ready + FZ in key hexes so beachhead can be very quickly bottled up with allot of LW close by.

I defend north to south. Its easy to see where best area for WA's are. He landed in safest spots.

Anzio landing I simply don't bother pushing back into sea as it is hard for me because of hills, but north of that I can quickly wall of to the beachhead with strong SS divisions.


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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 23 - 11/5/2015 11:34:54 AM   
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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 23 - 11/5/2015 1:39:12 PM   
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Yes he is bombing railnet ect, but it has little effect as depots are in place by turn 3.


I'm really curios to see how the V1.00.44 changes work out.

"Now, there is a percentage chance equal to the railyard damage that the amount shipped to a railyard depot will be divided by 10."
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"Formula Adjustment – (Section 14.2.3) the 50 hex range limit for using railyard capacity for movement is changed to a 30 hex limit."

From Cassino to the Po is about 30 hexes. If he decimates those railyards south of the Po he should be able to force you to start drawing down those stockpiles.
My opponents don't seem to go for the railyards favoring railway interdiction and useless B-17 ground interdiction against rough terrain, etc.

1/3rd of WA bombing was going after the supply network, but I'm not seeing anywhere near that ratio from my opponents.

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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 23 - 11/5/2015 2:13:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Seminole

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1/3rd of WA bombing was going after the supply network, but I'm not seeing anywhere near that ratio from my opponents.


I think its because a lot of allied players want the immediate reward of casualties &/or disruptions. I agree, hinder resupply and the rest takes care of itself. Particularly as in Italy, with the Allies you have to play a very cautious slow game in any case?

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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 23 - 11/5/2015 2:45:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Agree about going for railyards, but I also target ports as I assume that if they are in supply they will also contribute. In fact I don't do anything with Strategic/15th Air Force until I think ports and railyards are pretty well done for.

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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 23 - 11/5/2015 9:10:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		The WA's have 22+ divisions on Italian mainland that have been reconed. This is good, anything over 20 is a net positive for Germany.
The more divisions tied up down here the better.

WA's manage to take a hex, but are unable to push through the 2nd line of defense.




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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 23 - 11/5/2015 9:12:16 PM   
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I am starting to prep for Southern France and Northern Italy invasions. I have more then enough troops in place to stop a 30 + division attack.




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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 23 - 11/5/2015 9:14:32 PM   
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Yes he is bombing railnet ect, but it has little effect as depots are in place by turn 3.


I'm really curios to see how the V1.00.44 changes work out.

"Now, there is a percentage chance equal to the railyard damage that the amount shipped to a railyard depot will be divided by 10."
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"Formula Adjustment – (Section 14.2.3) the 50 hex range limit for using railyard capacity for movement is changed to a 30 hex limit."

From Cassino to the Po is about 30 hexes. If he decimates those railyards south of the Po he should be able to force you to start drawing down those stockpiles.
My opponents don't seem to go for the railyards favoring railway interdiction and useless B-17 ground interdiction against rough terrain, etc.

1/3rd of WA bombing was going after the supply network, but I'm not seeing anywhere near that ratio from my opponents.


I simply use the WitE work around, air drops.

Bomb the rail lines all you want.




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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 23 - 11/5/2015 9:16:53 PM   
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Agree about going for railyards, but I also target ports as I assume that if they are in supply they will also contribute. In fact I don't do anything with Strategic/15th Air Force until I think ports and railyards are pretty well done for.


Both you and loki are right but there are always work arounds, testing stuff AI vs AI never puts the spot light on work arounds. Which is why play balance HvH is generally way off.

What your saying will work, but time is the key as with WitE.

Defend north to south and logistics south to north. Sure at some point it will matter but it be June 44 and no ones going to care about Italy by then.

There is so much play with EF box off.


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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 - 11/6/2015 11:06:51 AM   
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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 - 11/6/2015 8:12:04 PM   
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I love the weather been heavy rain for over a month.




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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. - 11/6/2015 11:55:34 PM   
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http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3962846

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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. - 11/7/2015 12:30:54 AM   
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yes if possible would like to fix and continue. Its really starting to get going and this has been the best experience in campaigning.

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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. - 11/7/2015 1:52:45 AM   
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"Games on hold until they figure out garrison bug. "

yes if possible would like to fix and continue. Its really starting to get going and this has been the best experience in campaigning.


Last time we played on just - off the points from bug.

Could be a long time until they get it fixed or days.

I like for them to atleast pull the save to see why warning is not coming up


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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. - 11/7/2015 2:20:18 AM   
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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. - 11/7/2015 2:21:58 AM   
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AP News- Allied Forces HQ announced this week the death of British XIII Corps Commander General John T. Crocker. A German anti-tank mine claimed the life of General Crocker and 3 others of his staff, wounding 4 others. His death comes on the heels of XIII Corps' recent capture of the Italian town of Caserta.

The news was released in Sicily at a meeting of top Allied Commanders. Eisenhower was asked about reports coming from Spain that German newsreels were claiming that Axis forces in Italy, despite Allied Bombing of the rails and ports, were receiving supplies by air transport. Eisenhower responded that Goering must be using Wonder Woman's plane, because there were no reports of Axis supplying by air. He then added that reports show the Axis are low on ammo. "Never less, resistance is strong" he emphasized.

Patton was asked about conditions in the Anzio beachhead. Patton quipped "It has all the comforts of home, if your home is a damp cave." "But dont worry boys", Patton beamed, "I've got a good hold on the Germans and they're not going anywhere." Clark quickly added that every German in Italy was 1 less in Russia or France and that several of the enemies' best divisions had been identified. Clark added that the troops at Anzio were calling the place "Von Pelton's Boot Camp" in reference to the experience Allied forces were receiving from the German Field Marshal.

As the commanders were leaving the news conference someone yelled "General Patton have you slapped anyone lately?" Patton fired back "Just the Cook!." Unnamed sources claim that one of the mountains in the Gustav Line was recently captured.

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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. - 11/7/2015 2:29:26 AM   
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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. - 11/7/2015 2:38:15 AM   
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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold. - 11/7/2015 1:16:06 PM   
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After a winter of hell in the skys of northern Germany 8th Air force bombers now fly with fighter protection.
The arrival of the P51 Mustang will provide escorted daylight bombing to every corner of Germany.
Luftwaffe hunters are now the hunted.




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