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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/9/2016 8:48:22 AM   
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Fyodor Tolbukhin and Aleksandr Vasilevsky are promoted Général-Leitenant
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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/9/2016 9:34:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		How about saying that raid of 9th Panzer cut off rail to your troops west of Stalino? It may have left von Kleist divisions a bit over extended, but pinned the Soviets in place.

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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/9/2016 5:00:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		production wise your currently fine. You have a huge amount of manpower/armaments lol....You must not build many new units----I build SU like crazy and keep most my units in key areas at 100% and refit so usually have 0 in both by now or close to it.

I can only guess your CV/defensive values arent all that high with half a million men in the pools and not on the field. If you stack armies with SU- you can often get 4+ SU sent in support of a defense this can really change the odds on alot of fights with good leaders.

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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/11/2016 10:02:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		thank for your advice Chaos but i just send back turn 25

Turn 17 or october9, 1941
they continue to push and threaten
Rzhev, Kaluga and Tula
Forecast for next turn is mud in north and south russia




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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/11/2016 10:07:04 AM   
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this time 6 Armies are doomed
half from South front, otherwise South Ural
sole good news are six more Guard promotion
total 18 rifle div (1 in the pocket)




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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/11/2016 10:19:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is just beginning of a month long desperate struggle in mud and snow, which will see the SS boys down to 25% TOE... But it was worth it, to strike at the last clear turn

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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/11/2016 11:43:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		ya if you bag all those Soviet Cav divisions will limit Soviet winter offensive operations as they are the only decently moving and CV value soviet units in the winter.

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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/11/2016 12:38:09 PM   
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ya if you bag all those Soviet Cav divisions will limit Soviet winter offensive operations as they are the only decently moving and CV value soviet units in the winter.


Yes, that's 4-5 cavalry corps right there. Not good.

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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/11/2016 11:30:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		T-14 SHC only had 4.2 million lol this pocket is a real nail in coffin and you lost Moscow.

That's a hard hit to manpower centers, not sure you can recover from that.

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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/12/2016 9:18:27 AM   
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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/12/2016 12:32:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those cavalry units in the pocket were very annoying. They penetrated every hole in my line, isolating my SS boys (because of MP cost going above 100). But they fought using airhead supply and prevailed (after all airhead > isolated).

Good news: pinned whole ARM factories in Tula (25) and Stalino (29).



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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/12/2016 3:18:24 PM   
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I asked Sillyflower the same question... What's your MO for ground attack and ground support in major attacks ?? Also do you use "soak offs" weak preliminary attacks to increase the chance of success of the main attack ??



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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/12/2016 5:47:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Only in the sense that sometimes I make secondary attacks near main battle site to use up MP of reserve units. Otherwise I prefer to hit them with fullest force possible - so that units are not tired and air forces are not used up.

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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/12/2016 5:49:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Classic soak up attacks are ok in case of isolated units - they expend ammo and are unable to replenish and their CV is affected by ammo shortage. So then it's good to tire them a bit before main attack (in case have quite a lot of CV).

Normally it's not good, casualties after failed attack are not worth minor damage and fatigue suffered by target units.

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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/13/2016 4:21:28 PM   
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I never do soak-offs. Not since they days of Avalon Hill games anyway

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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/13/2016 5:20:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Soak off attacks for Soviets have a strong purpose--esp vs cut off Germans. As long as units arent above National morale the morale hit doesnt really matter.

As Soviets as long as the exchange rate isnt to one sided losing attacks isnt always bad. As its tough for the germans to replace defensive losses and losses on their spearhead units for offensives.

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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/13/2016 7:57:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do make risky attacks at secondary theaters, but never make attacks that are sure to fail (as I feel it).

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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/13/2016 8:04:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well as Soviets I have launched many attacks I knew would fail just hoping to wear down the germans or knock off a fort level so the next wave could succeed lol.

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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/13/2016 8:40:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's not the same as a soak-off attack. It's a valid/sometimes necessary way of taking a hex. True soak-offs aren't needed here though Morvael's attacks to activate reserves that he doesn't want to activate to support his real target are the nearest one gets.

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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/15/2016 11:58:59 AM   
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Marshall Mud take action everywhere
Nikolai Klykov (32 Army) has is Infantry rating increase to 6
2 more Rifle div and a Para brigade become Guards




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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/15/2016 12:11:26 PM   
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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/15/2016 3:24:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		When the weather finally turns to snow again, the Soviet units in the southern pocket that get surrounded and destroyed won't be replaced for free. Added bonus for morvael.

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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/16/2016 9:50:14 AM   
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again MUD on all the frontline
Rodion Malinovsky (40 Army) appointed Général-Leitenant
I got one more Rifle guard
Bryansk air commander (Ernst Shakt) has been executed
picture of my best fighter unit (more kills)




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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/17/2016 4:42:51 PM   
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Tula has been surrounded
Vasily Glazunov ( 3rd Para corp) is promoted Général Polkovnik




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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/17/2016 4:45:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		in the south they begin to reduce the pocket
a german corps take the entry of the Crimea
not much to be glad




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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/17/2016 5:36:20 PM   
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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/19/2016 11:29:16 AM   
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Mud come back except in Europe
Léonid Govorov has been promoted Général-Leitenant
Caucasus and Transcaucasus MD become Front
one more Rifle div awarded Guard distinction
picture of OOB




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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/21/2016 10:26:29 AM   
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My recco having localised a Panzer corps
I order to leave Rzhev open rather than loose 24 Army and his Guards
third sapper unit awarded Guard distinction




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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/21/2016 10:30:02 AM   
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in the south they are reducting the pocket
you can see their maximal advance in Crimea
Leader of the Black sea air has been dismissed




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RE: Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam) - 1/21/2016 10:37:50 AM   
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My recco having localised a Panzer corps
I order to leave Rzhev open rather than loose 24 Army and his Guards


I liked it that I got Rzhev "for free". I couldn't move 4th Panzer Group to threaten its flanks earlier, as they were on guard duty in and east of Moscow (not enough infantry). When I captured Tula, I sent 2nd Panzer Group to replace 4th, and thus well rested 4th went west. At this time it appeared to me that it might be too late to capture Rzhev before blizzard, but the threat of encirclement was enough and Red Army pulled back. Since then, Rzhev became a cornerstone of my defense in the region.

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