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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/16/2015 4:18:51 PM   
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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/16/2015 8:48:15 PM   
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Loquaciousmaximus, you ain't!


Actions speak louder than words !

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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/16/2015 9:12:51 PM   
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Actions speak louder than words


This is why we look forward to After Action Reports.
In the end Joel will throw up the rates, but I was also interested in final VP sheets just to see what was achieved on each side.

I can understand and support secrecy now, but do hope all is revealed later.

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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/17/2015 10:52:22 AM   
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Actions speak louder than words


This is why we look forward to After Action Reports.
In the end Joel will throw up the rates, but I was also interested in final VP sheets just to see what was achieved on each side.

I can understand and support secrecy now, but do hope all is revealed later.


As soon as the tournament is finished, I will post a screenshot with the vp's of the matches, that should please your voracious hunger for information about the matches of another player. I will do this, because your satisfaction is my pleasure.


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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/17/2015 2:04:53 PM   
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As soon as the tournament is finished, I will post a screenshot with the vp's of the matches, that should please your voracious hunger for information about the matches of another player. I will do this, because your satisfaction is my pleasure.


This please me greatly.

In other news. Rommel has gone missing.
I was reviewing my turn 2 screenshots as the Axis and noticed an ignominious defeat where a general I did not recognize was in command.



Rommel isn't dead, but there is no mention in the turn 2 event log of his replacement. I didn't replace him. I have a screenshot of him in command on turn 1 from the OoB screen and the leaders CR screen. Did he get sick again and just forget to call in to anyone?

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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/17/2015 2:13:08 PM   
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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/17/2015 2:31:31 PM   
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As soon as the tournament is finished, I will post a screenshot with the vp's of the matches, that should please your voracious hunger for information about the matches of another player. I will do this, because your satisfaction is my pleasure.


This please me greatly.

In other news. Rommel has gone missing.
I was reviewing my turn 2 screenshots as the Axis and noticed an ignominious defeat where a general I did not recognize was in command.



Rommel isn't dead, but there is no mention in the turn 2 event log of his replacement. I didn't replace him. I have a screenshot of him in command on turn 1 from the OoB screen and the leaders CR screen. Did he get sick again and just forget to call in to anyone?


now that you mention it, in my match as axis, I noticed he was not in command of anything at games end (did not notice during the match) but he did have several battle victories recorded, so perhaps there is a bug where he gets replaced after a turn in this scenario?

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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/17/2015 4:48:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been unable to contact Trajan, and I see he has not been on the forum since Dec 1 when he signed up. I hope he is ok. As I haven't been able to find an alternate, I have to declare reggiman the winner by default, and reggimann is awarded a score of 1.1 (minimum marginal victory score). I'm sure reggimann would have preferred to have played. I see that ultradave had volunteered to play a second game. I didn't think this would be right for the tournament, but I encourage ultradave or anyone to play a game with reggiman so he gets a tune up in case he advances to the next round (or at least gets a chance to play if he doesn't). At the moment we have 3 matches completed, and 4 in progress.



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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/17/2015 5:10:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I'm up for that. Send a pm if you are interested. We can play a pair just like the match. I have time in the next few days, especially all day tomorrow, probably pretty free on the weekend too.

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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/18/2015 7:56:41 AM   
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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/18/2015 4:16:22 PM   
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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/18/2015 4:37:09 PM   
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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/18/2015 4:48:32 PM   
Seminole


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Status: offline 		I think jckerr4 is new to the game, so I got a lucky draw considering I have a year of experience with the witw engine to date.

Having played this scenario on both sides I really do like it. If either side isn't careful they can get their throat slit in an instant.

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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/18/2015 5:00:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Seminole

Having played this scenario on both sides I really do like it. If either side isn't careful they can get their throat slit in an instant.


I resemble that remark!


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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/18/2015 8:21:45 PM   
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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/18/2015 10:28:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		All but one of the matches is now on turn 5 or later. LS and Smokindave are bringing up the rear on turn 3 in their games. Although the second round is not officially starting for several weeks, I'll get the matchups out as soon as round 1 is completed and players can always start early if they want to.


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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/18/2015 10:39:57 PM   
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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/19/2015 2:58:32 PM   
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A close one!







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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/19/2015 4:07:08 PM   
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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/19/2015 4:24:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		For the Allies, looks like it's worth the losses to take the objectives.

Are people playing as the Germans very defensively ?

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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/19/2015 5:16:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		So far the overall VP ratio is coming out slightly in favor of the Allies. With 12 games in the books, although the German players have outscored the Allied players in 6 of the 12 games, the Allied players are averaging a VP ratio of 1.22 to 1 (so the German advantages have not been as high as the Allied advantages). LiquidSky and smokindave34 are on turn 4 in their two games, so we should know the final results in the next few days.

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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/19/2015 8:53:32 PM   
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Well..I just finished my Axis turn for turn 5. Not sure of the final score yet as the Allies will have to finish their last turn as well. I just have my final Allied turn to do. (after he does the final Axis turn)

I went into this scenario somewhat blind. My own fault, I could have played against the AI. I dabbled with the first turn of the Axis so I had a good idea how I was going to start, but man...I had no idea the allies were so strong. It totally caught me off guard. I had to quickly go from offence to defence.



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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/20/2015 11:21:26 AM   
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We seem to be finished now. My opponent has resigned both games

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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/20/2015 1:25:38 PM   
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We seem to be finished now. My opponent has resigned both games


Resigned before it could assess final turn VP (end game objective points)?

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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/20/2015 1:26:36 PM   
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I dabbled with the first turn of the Axis so I had a good idea how I was going to start, but man...I had no idea the allies were so strong.


Less the troops than the terrain itself.

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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/20/2015 1:29:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		that would irritate me. that's fine to resign with just a pickup game, but this tournament is scored by VPs

can they pull up the VPs from the save games? maybe matrix will allow the turn 4 scores or whatever your furthest point played was?




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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/20/2015 2:37:45 PM   
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that would irritate me. that's fine to resign with just a pickup game, but this tournament is scored by VPs

can they pull up the VPs from the save games? maybe matrix will allow the turn 4 scores or whatever your furthest point played was?






I was Liquid Sky's opponent. I'd wager I completed more campaign games of WITE/WITW than anyone on this forum (except maybe Pelton). I resigned based on some last turn tactics that I considered gamey. A difference in approach to the way we play the game. I assumed that LS would automatically move on based on me conceding the game. I'm working with Joel to get the last turn resolved/re-played so LS gets full credit for his victory.

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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/20/2015 3:29:17 PM   
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I resigned based on some last turn tactics that I considered gamey. A difference in approach to the way we play the game.


I hope you're willing to elaborate. I can understand if LS doesn't want to delve into his tactics before the tourney is complete, but I'm curious what was found so annoying.

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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/20/2015 3:38:08 PM   
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I resigned based on some last turn tactics that I considered gamey. A difference in approach to the way we play the game.


I hope you're willing to elaborate. I can understand if LS doesn't want to delve into his tactics before the tourney is complete, but I'm curious what was found so annoying.


I'd prefer not - I'm not interested in getting into a back and forth in an open forum. He's an excellent player and he had me beat even before the last turn. I mistakenly thought that all the winners of the 1st round moved on so I didn't believe I was doing him any harm by resigning. I'll work with Joel to fix it - LS deserves to move on.

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RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the West: Operation Torch Tou... - 12/20/2015 3:59:14 PM   
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I'd prefer not - I'm not interested in getting into a back and forth in an open forum.


I doubt anyone is interested in the parties involved, more about the 'gamey' tactic in question. Presumably the same issue could arise among other players.
Some things can be handled with game engine rules, some things can be handled with house rules and common sense. I'm just scratching my head trying to figure out what he did that was so annoying. In part, I wouldn't want to be guilty of same. I suppose the line between gamey and brilliant can't help but be subjective and fuzzy.
I definitely used most of the tools in the box to get my result, but my opponent was novice, so I'm still not sure what to take away from the first round except that as written, either side can get a decisive result in the scenario. It's all about that German first turn...

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