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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Lilly Ib are excellent Japanese bombers, and very frugal as you have pointed out.

If you click on a bomber, the data screen will show the endurance. I always wondered if it is used in ASW/Naval Search calculations. Here you can see a single engine Ann. Sonia's are even lower. A Lilly Ib is almost 6 hours, Helen and Sally are 7 hours.

Does the longer endurance make them better at detecting ships/subs (more time over the search pattern) or is it only used in range?

I know the longer the search range the lower the probability of detection simply because of the exponential growth in the area needing to be searched.

Basically if Ann can search out to range 6, if I reduce the range of a Helen to range 6 will it be approximately twice as good as the Ann because of the better endurance.

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ORIGINAL: Revthought

This is what is keeping me, 100%, from giving the Japanese side a go. Is there a primer somewhere that gives a basic breakdown of how the Japanese economy works?

It would also help if there was an illustrated version of each "tech tree."

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

The rule of thumb for bombers is supply equals load/1000.

Dive bombers and Torpedo bombers use 1 supply point.

Tracker tells me currently that for approximately a squadron of 30 planes with 10-20 percent rest my bomber squadrons eat the following supply (fluctuates by number of planes actually flying):

Sally 57
Ann 32
Lilly Ib 26
Sonia 17

Seems to pretty darn close to the above rules.

And that gentlemen and ladies is one of the reasons I am a Sonia fanboy.

Look at the chart and you can see the Peggy is more expensive than the Helen for one less bomb per plane. What Pax said.

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Here is the plane research map referred to by the lizard.

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ORIGINAL: General Patton

Lowpe, Could you post a chart for each Japanese aircraft type just like the bombers chart above?....GP

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ORIGINAL: General Patton

That's fine. If you think it would be easier to email me the group of them, go ahead and email me. Thank you sir....GP

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ORIGINAL: General Patton

Stock and a speadsheet would be great. Thanks Lowpe. I just finished going thru the Econ primer. and spent an hour after that looking at my Econ....GP

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: General Patton

Stock and a speadsheet would be great. Thanks Lowpe. I just finished going thru the Econ primer. and spent an hour after that looking at my Econ....GP

Did you get it. I pm'ed it to you zipped.

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ORIGINAL: SheperdN7

Warning: minor rant.


The single engine light bombers are awful. Period. For Allied forces, they have a purpose as second line units and for raiding merchant shipping lanes. (All the more reason for us JFB's to assign Akisuki destroyers to convoys.)

Anyways, the Japanese light bombers are brutal. When I play a game with PDU's on I don't bother to build or research them. I'll change them over to 2E bombers like the Ki-21 IIa and Ki-67. At least they put a couple holes into an airfield. The light bombers will barely scuff the asphalt (save for the Ann)

In my opinion, the light bombers should be used for training and I've found that I use them en masse for that role it helps immensely in the later years. If you are playing in a PDU off game, then I recommend the Ki-51 sonia as a lot of squadrons can upgrade to it and it possesses a camera.

Honestly, if you want a GREAT close air support aircraft, go with the Ki-102 Randy. The version with the 57mm gun (B version I believe) is a great weapon for tank killing if you have pilots with high strafe skill. And it packs 2 250 KG GP bombs for added affect. The downside is you'll have to wait awhile for it to become operational ( Late 43 at the earliest).

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ORIGINAL: General Patton

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: General Patton

Stock and a speadsheet would be great. Thanks Lowpe. I just finished going thru the Econ primer. and spent an hour after that looking at my Econ....GP

Did you get it. I pm'ed it to you zipped.

Yes, got it. Plus I have Tracker running and it helps as well. And I found what you sent me. What I need to know are the top 2 to 3 1E and 2E bombers for Navy and Army and why. Fighters i'm good to go. Bombers not so much....GP

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: General Patton

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: General Patton

Stock and a speadsheet would be great. Thanks Lowpe. I just finished going thru the Econ primer. and spent an hour after that looking at my Econ....GP

Did you get it. I pm'ed it to you zipped.

Yes, got it. Plus I have Tracker running and it helps as well. And I found what you sent me. What I need to know are the top 2 to 3 1E and 2E bombers for Navy and Army and why. Fighters i'm good to go. Bombers not so much....GP

2E bombers Army: Helen for normal work. Lilly IIb and IIc for dive bombing work. Some like Peggy T for torpedo naval attacks - comes late and tough to get trained pilots.

2e navy: Grace & Frances later in game. Bettys/Nells are good platforms in the early games. The longer legged ones make for nice search planes.

1E: Pretty much what is said in this thread. Ann/Mary. I like Sonia, but I am strange.

Your best bet is to play a little with them all and see what you like.

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ORIGINAL: SheperdN7

Warning: minor rant.


The single engine light bombers are awful. Period. For Allied forces, they have a purpose as second line units and for raiding merchant shipping lanes. (All the more reason for us JFB's to assign Akisuki destroyers to convoys.)

Anyways, the Japanese light bombers are brutal. When I play a game with PDU's on I don't bother to build or research them. I'll change them over to 2E bombers like the Ki-21 IIa and Ki-67. At least they put a couple holes into an airfield. The light bombers will barely scuff the asphalt (save for the Ann)

In my opinion, the light bombers should be used for training and I've found that I use them en masse for that role it helps immensely in the later years. If you are playing in a PDU off game, then I recommend the Ki-51 sonia as a lot of squadrons can upgrade to it and it possesses a camera.

Honestly, if you want a GREAT close air support aircraft, go with the Ki-102 Randy. The version with the 57mm gun (B version I believe) is a great weapon for tank killing if you have pilots with high strafe skill. And it packs 2 250 KG GP bombs for added affect. The downside is you'll have to wait awhile for it to become operational ( Late 43 at the earliest).

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I am a Sonia fanboy, especially in PI & SRA & China.

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I am a Sonia fanboy, especially in PI & SRA & China.

In my first ever PBEM/AAR against smeulders, my initial disgust at being stuck with so many Sonia bombers (PDU off) quickly turned to love. I couldn't get enough of her, her sleek lines, her little...um. I'll stop there.

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As a new player one thing you should keep in mind, if you don't already know, is that the 1E's have a use early in the war. They're very useful when operating from small forward air bases. Especially at adding disruption to enemy LCU's.

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ORIGINAL: Yaab

One thing to remember when choosing Jap 1Es are their cruise speeds.For example, Ida is notorious for arriving unescorted over target. I would choose an 1E that can fly together with some ablative escorts (i. Oscars) and not fly unescorted due to low cruise speeds.

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I am a Sonia fanboy, especially in PI & SRA & China.

In my first ever PBEM/AAR against smeulders, my initial disgust at being stuck with so many Sonia bombers (PDU off) quickly turned to love. I couldn't get enough of her, her sleek lines, her little...um. I'll stop there.

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ORIGINAL: General Patton

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ORIGINAL: Revthought

This is what is keeping me, 100%, from giving the Japanese side a go. Is there a primer somewhere that gives a basic breakdown of how the Japanese economy works?

It would also help if there was an illustrated version of each "tech tree."

There is a "Japanese Production Primer" out there. Don't remember who the author was though. I can email to you if you can find it. 34 pages. I have started to read it as I have become curious and feel I need to learn it....GP

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The major point I'm just trying to make is that 2E bombers have a lot more uses than 1E's and other than CAS in China I see no other purpose for 1E bombers other than trainers.... Keep in mind I'm a total noob in this game