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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 1:01:15 PM   
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Placeholder for Alfred response.

Can't tonight, but I think there may be an issue now that Alfred has confirmed checks are made from Slot 1 south. In the first run, with an almost-empty New Jersey, not one shell of any kind was sent from a pristine, 5400 AE with 5400 supply on-board. IOW, no 40MM when the 40MM inventories on New Jersey were at 2(36.)

My format may have not made that clear.


OK, Reactivate the placeholder.

I re-read Alfred's post above, and I think I understand what should be happening. I re-ran the test and took screenshots, all below. I think I eliminated all variables possible, but if one of your science types can re-design the experiment I'm all ears.

N.B. I ran this with New Jersey as a Surface TF. I also ran it with her as a Bombardment TF (no screenshots.) The results were the same in both.

So, below are ten screen shots. Downfall scenario. Head-to-head so I could turn off the Japanese forces. Guam. New Jersey with ammo (except 20MM) downloaded in the editor. Mt. Baker loaded to 5400 supply. Both ships moved one hex west. One full turn expended in that hex so ops points regenerate and stabilize. New Jersey ordered to Replenish at sea. New Jersey takes fuel from Mt. Baker's bunkers. Both ships expend ops points. New Jersey take zero ammo in any slot. Mt. Baker ends with 5400 supply still on-board.

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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 1:03:00 PM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 1:05:16 PM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 1:06:37 PM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 1:08:26 PM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 1:10:34 PM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 1:12:08 PM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 1:14:12 PM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 1:15:50 PM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 1:17:24 PM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 1:18:44 PM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 1:21:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's what I have. As always, please look at the screens carefully. There's always a chance for a head-slapping moment. The fiddling with these tests can obscure simple, obvious mistakes.

But if the test is sound, it appears that the code is not moving south slot-by-slot looking for an ammo type it has the capability to fill.

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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 2:21:50 PM   
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That's what I have. As always, please look at the screens carefully. There's always a chance for a head-slapping moment. The fiddling with these tests can obscure simple, obvious mistakes.

But if the test is sound, it appears that the code is not moving south slot-by-slot looking for an ammo type it has the capability to fill.


I'd guess because it stopped since it couldn't fully reload the 16" ammo.

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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 5:34:45 PM   
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That's what I have. As always, please look at the screens carefully. There's always a chance for a head-slapping moment. The fiddling with these tests can obscure simple, obvious mistakes.

But if the test is sound, it appears that the code is not moving south slot-by-slot looking for an ammo type it has the capability to fill.


I'd guess because it stopped since it couldn't fully reload the 16" ammo.

Could be, but I have had BBs main gun ammo partially replenished in port until the AE/AKE ran out of Ops points. I don't see why it should differ at sea.

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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 6:31:41 PM   
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That's what I have. As always, please look at the screens carefully. There's always a chance for a head-slapping moment. The fiddling with these tests can obscure simple, obvious mistakes.

But if the test is sound, it appears that the code is not moving south slot-by-slot looking for an ammo type it has the capability to fill.


I'd guess because it stopped since it couldn't fully reload the 16" ammo.

Could be, but I have had BBs main gun ammo partially replenished in port until the AE/AKE ran out of Ops points. I don't see why it should differ at sea.


Right, that's what I'm saying - I think it does differ when at sea because I think it uses a different section of code.

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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/10/2016 8:53:57 PM   
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You need to get an AO loaded with fuel into that Replenishment TF to take care of the refuelling.  Doing so will narrow the focus by eliminating some avenues of inquiry such as:

(a) does taking fuel from the AE bunkers create the problem.  IOW the AE is in a separate TF to that which contains the Iowa class and refuelling from another TF bunkers is not supposed to happen.  The bug here would be allowing a Replenishment TF to do so as the intent is that a Replenishment TF contains an AO which uses its cargo hold to refuel ships in a different (ie Surface, Bombardment, whatever) TF

(b) does the problem still persist with an AE which retains all of its OP just to rearm the Iowa class

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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/11/2016 12:16:18 AM   
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That's what I have. As always, please look at the screens carefully. There's always a chance for a head-slapping moment. The fiddling with these tests can obscure simple, obvious mistakes.

But if the test is sound, it appears that the code is not moving south slot-by-slot looking for an ammo type it has the capability to fill.


I'd guess because it stopped since it couldn't fully reload the 16" ammo.

Could be, but I have had BBs main gun ammo partially replenished in port until the AE/AKE ran out of Ops points. I don't see why it should differ at sea.


This isn't port.

And this isn't behaving as Alfred described. Come on! Ten screens. Look at them!

Edit: Sorry. That was harsh. But what's happening is that no shells of any type are moving. The AE isn't running out of ops points after partly loading.

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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/11/2016 12:17:42 AM   
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Bullwinkle58,

You need to get an AO loaded with fuel into that Replenishment TF to take care of the refuelling.  Doing so will narrow the focus by eliminating some avenues of inquiry such as:

(a) does taking fuel from the AE bunkers create the problem.  IOW the AE is in a separate TF to that which contains the Iowa class and refuelling from another TF bunkers is not supposed to happen.  The bug here would be allowing a Replenishment TF to do so as the intent is that a Replenishment TF contains an AO which uses its cargo hold to refuel ships in a different (ie Surface, Bombardment, whatever) TF

(b) does the problem still persist with an AE which retains all of its OP just to rearm the Iowa class

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OK. I can add that. I'll just do a couple of screens though.

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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/11/2016 12:46:00 AM   
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Same setup at Guam. I used Mt. Baker again. Added biggest AO in port, Merrimac. Don't think size matters, but I went largest. Took four days to load her to max. Then I moved the Replenishment TF (Mt. Baker, Merrimac) one hex west. Sent New Jersey to hex. Rolled forward one full day after arrival to reset Ops points. Ordered New Jersey to Replenish.

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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/11/2016 12:46:34 AM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/11/2016 12:47:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		If adding the AO doesn't get a different result, I would go into the Editor and change out the 16" for 14" guns to see if AE size is the issue.

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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/11/2016 12:48:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Two. New Jersey, same as before. Full fuel. I did notice that here the ammo numbers below the 16 inch. are green, and in the last test they were white. Not sure that's significant.




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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/11/2016 12:51:12 AM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/11/2016 12:52:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Four. New Jersey in test hex. Fuel at 99%. Now numbers are white; previous screen shot must have been at pier in Guam. Don't know why two were white and the rest green, however.




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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/11/2016 12:54:26 AM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/11/2016 12:56:05 AM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/11/2016 12:58:12 AM   
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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/11/2016 12:59:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Eight. Mt. Baker detail. Supply untouched. Neither AE nor AO took fuel from AO in Replenishment action. This is correct.




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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/11/2016 1:01:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Conclusion: Adding an AO to the Replenishment TF did not alter the results of the ammo transfer. Fuel was correctly transferred from AO to BB and not from AE. AE consumed no Ops points, or supply.

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RE: Underway Replenishment Test - 6/11/2016 1:04:20 AM   
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If adding the AO doesn't get a different result, I would go into the Editor and change out the 16" for 14" guns to see if AE size is the issue.


I could do that, but the core issue to me is that Alfred says the code should check Slot 1, and if it can't satisfy that slot it should go south, checking Ops and AE supply for each slot in turn. It's not doing that as the AE for sure has enough Ops points and supply to fill the 40MM/20MM slots at least.

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