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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/2/2018 8:54:28 AM

BrianJH

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I shall attempt elucidation on the matter. (as my statement about still can't use was misleading - should have said "still can't use after passing 32")

RAW7 = no US CP usage (except for China) until Option 32 is passed. Option 32 says the US may use its own CPs. So, reasonably, you need to pass Option 32 and then all lends can be carried by US CPs. But the chain must be entirely US CPs end-to-end because a neutral and an active can't share CP pipelines. You could have FREX a parallel CP pipeline of 2 CW and 2 US CPs in each sea zone, taking 4 BPs to Russia once Russia is active.

RAW8 = by stating option 38 is needed (in 15, 19, 27 and 30) before you can use US CPs; the rules have been significantly muddied. 38 doesn't say anything about using US CPs. So to do so, do you need to pass 32 and 38 or just 38? What good would 32 be by itself? If you passed only 38 you'd likely have arguments when you started using US CPs for those lends. This is why I think it was an attempted clarification but there's a typo of '38' in place of '32'.

In any event, you still can't "hand-off" those lends within a CP pipeline, while the US is neutral. Not sure everyone realizes that.

Thanks Paul, yes that summarizes the issues the way I see things as well. With the way the rule is written now, I can but only presume people will be using their own house rules to make this workable until something official comes out.

I'll be playing it pretty much along the lines that the mention of 'Option 38' is a misprint, and play it as though 'Option 32' was the intended prerequisite and extending this prerequisite to options 19, 27 and 30 as well.

Brian.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/3/2018 4:47:46 PM

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So the main issue is a typo in US entry option 15 -- it should say 32 instead of 38? If that's it, perhaps we should pass it on to Harry/ADG?

I looked in the most recent errata and didn't find this issue addressed. An unrelated issue is addressed, though:

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13.3.2, US entry option 32 � To attack US convoys the Axis unit must be at war with the potential recipient (not just
active).

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/3/2018 8:39:27 PM

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The jury may still be out. The website says the current living rules are being typeset and will be re-posted soon.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/4/2018 5:46:25 AM

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OK; I can wait. I won't get to any of those USE options anytime soon. I'm just starting the first turn of my first solitaire game with the Collector's Edition. :)

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/22/2018 10:36:42 AM

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30 mins of unboxing here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jJ2rHJWcnE&t=694s

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/23/2018 12:22:07 AM

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30 mins of unboxing here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jJ2rHJWcnE&t=694s

And for some reason wargaming has a reputation as being a hobby for out-of-shape nerds with poor social skills

This is why I tend to keep my interest in military history/wargaming quiet, especially from women.

I usually go with, "I'm a big history buff", which is neutral and makes one sound somewhat interesting. "I love re-fighting WW2 battles in excruciating detail", is not so endearing to the fairer sex

Cheers, Neilster

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/23/2018 6:55:05 AM

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Or to put it another way, when you say "wargamer", be careful how you pronounce "war".

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/23/2018 12:44:08 PM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

30 mins of unboxing here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jJ2rHJWcnE&t=694s

And for some reason wargaming has a reputation as being a hobby for out-of-shape nerds with poor social skills

I must confess that I posted the link before watching the whole video. Boy, it turned out to be terminally dull

Now that I do have my copy (only the "Deluxe" package with the WWII expansions - I'm not interested in Patton in Flames etc.) I could do a better job by filming my unwrapping with my iPhone.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/26/2018 12:41:18 PM

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I will shortly be putting my Patton in Flames up on ebay.
I'm pretty sure its unopened.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 7/27/2018 4:55:35 AM

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My copy of the Collector's Edition Deluxe came on Tuesday and today 3 of us sat down and played just the battle for Poland in 39 from the Global War campaign. Next week we're doing the Guadalcanal scenario to look over the naval and naval air rules in more detail. I've seen lots of little changes, some not so little from version 7.

I do like what they did with the offensive chits making them more flexible in their use. The new oil rules too are pretty involved, more bookkeeping to do each turn keeping track of your oil every impulse.

Also so many changes in the options. It's going to take us a few weeks to get a handle on all of this.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 11/30/2018 9:27:47 AM

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One guy has taken the effort to compile the main changes (from the WIFlist, thanks to Del and Steven Adamo):

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cT5cXtLipes97U8mQkP4TtyB-toDNLV8rRRU1Rp30SY/edit?usp=sharing

There are some details not exact or forgotten, but it seems it's like 99% of it.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 1/18/2019 9:13:27 PM

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I see CounterSheet 55 is out at last - missed that, but now ordered

Now where are the hard mounted Scandi maps?

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 1/18/2019 9:16:13 PM

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Apparently they are "in production" as we type. That was the answer I got awhile back so it's hard to say how long that will be their status.

Edit: Mind you the off-map boxes in CE seem to be better than in the previous version, so I'm not sure I will get the Scandi maps and the kickstarter failed to reach the goal needed for hard mounted Africa - again mitigated by better off-map boxes.

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 1/18/2019 9:23:19 PM

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I did get the Countersheet 2 weeks ago. Have to admit, it took me a while to find the "exact" ones to replace. Take your time. I hard a hard time finding a few until I realized that it was the "year" that was changed. Since I sort all my counters by year, it didn't dawn on me for awhile that I might have to look at other years to find it.

Quite a few new ones as well. Good quality as always. It's just one countersheet, but it is 100 counters that have to replaced

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RE: In case someone is interested on how WIF (no MWIF) ... - 1/19/2019 4:47:34 PM

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There's an explanation for the counters on CS55 in the downloads section of the ADG website.

There's been a lot of discussion on the forums from people who feel the German air force is not "beefy" enough in 1940 versus the combined CW/France air forces. Not sure the designer feels the same way but he did suggest you could use both the old (i.e. the original CE version "old" which would normally be replaced) and new German plane counters (or maybe just some of them) if you feel there's a balance issue there. You'd still have to have the BPs to build any not drawn for set-up, of course, so something else would not get built.

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