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3. You can accelerate late models of some air frames very easily.
a. Research the A6M2-N Rufe at 5 factories of size 30.
b. Build the A6M8's engine pool up to 500. (it uses the Ha33)
c. As each Rufe research factory gets fully built, switch it to A6M8. You must convert the factory one step at a time: A6M2-N to A6M5, A6M5 to A6M5b, A6M5b to A6M5c, A6M5c to A6M8. Notice that upgrading along the aircraft's upgrade path does not cause the factory to be damaged and it stays FULLY REPAIRED.
d. Plan on flying the A6M8 starting in late 42 instead of 8/45. Yes, this really works.
Wow, I'm aware of this little 'charm', but I had forgotten about it as I refuse to use it, and I've only played as Japan. I have no idea why the devs left the Rufe in a development line like this, but they did. In addition you do understand that you must wait for each A/C to reach production before going to the next one. I know that the game will let you just make the jump (or I believe it will), but most players realize that doing so is not 'cricket'. IOW house rule. 'All A/C must reach production before the next in the line may be researched.' Do people understand why I want so many in my game (HR's), its to avoid situations like this. The last thing I need to see is an M8 Zero in late '42, its a deal breaker and I've wasted ~1 year of my life to get there, game over.
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e. A similar plan works with the Ki-61Ia to Ki-61 Ib to Ki-61 Id to Ki 61-II KAI to Ki-100-Ia
This is another A/C line I have issues with, although in this case they are for historical/personal reasons. The Ki-100 was not technically a research line of the Ki-61. Japan had been given the plans for the Daimler DB-60x (whatever) to build on license. They apparently decided to fiddle with it or whatever, and they got it wrong. They spent a lot of time and effort trying to get it right, but never succeeded. In the mean time they had built a number of fuselages for the Ki-61. The Ki-100 was simply a marriage of that fuselage to a radial engine. Now to be honest I don't recall how the line works in the game, but if I had my choice I would make it work whichever way is less advantageous to the IJ player. Again this is just for personal/historical reasons, and i'd have to look into it and come to some sort of agreement with my opponent. TBH I don't even want an all historical game, but I feel there should be some limits on what the Japanese player may/may not do. That's just me.
Now I don't mean to be harsh and you can play anyway you and your opponent choose to, as long as you let him/her understand that this is what you will do, and he/she agrees.
At any rate the above is JMHO. YMMV.
By that logic, Allies should not get P51's and should be stuck permanently with A36 Apaches. Trying out new engines happens a lot when you look at the history of development of various WW2 aircraft. One main difference between the B5N1 and B5N2 is the engine. The A6M was originally designed with the Nakajima Zuisei 13 engine instead of the Mitsubishi Sakae 12. Re-engining an airframe to get better results is no great leap of imagination and there are numerous precedents to mention.
I'm not sure why you find it so gamey or unrealistic.
I'm not discussing changing of air frame engines. Although TBH the engine change in the A-36 had nothing to do with the U.S., that little gem belongs to our British cousins. It was they who put a Merlin in the 'Stang. We were wedded to the Allison's for better or worse.
My point here is that 'short-cuts' are not taken in the 'research path'. I know that the devs put the Rufe in the path the way they did for a reason. Doesn't mean I have to agree or like it. Therefore as a Japanese player I don't use it, and would make sure my future opponents would be aware of this when I get around to playing the Allied side.
That aside I can't see how you get the A6M8 in late '42. The only way I can see that this may be done is if you are 'skipping' models. IOW it looks to me like you get the Rufe to full R&D and you jump to the M5. That's OK, but it seems you immediately change that to the M5a, and yadda, yadda, yadda, 'til you get to the M8, without waiting for the other models to reach production capability. You understand what I'm driving at here? New models may not be researched until the proceeding one becomes eligible for production. At least that is my understanding of how its done in general within the community. Now of course there are probably exceptions to this, but its my understanding that this is the way its done for the most part. I would play no other way, and would not accept and opponent that plays it differently.
Again, not trying to be harsh here. If I've miss understood or have missed something please let me know.
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