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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 8:40:14 PM   
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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 8:43:47 PM   
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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 8:44:05 PM   
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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 8:45:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Poland will fall S/O with this German set up no matter what you do...unless it storms every impulse or something freaky like that.

I would put the HQ/INF div/air as far away as possible so they cant be touched by land or air units (forest hex in extreme NE). Even so, they might try a GS with the He 115c. As this possible set up shows, those units are within extended range of the He 111, etc...

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 8:46:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually it would be better if div and 4-4 INF chance places.

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 8:48:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AllenK

How about?





That looks quite good!

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 8:48:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I like Mayhemizer's first attempt, but why the INF div there? Save it with the HQ in the extreme NE woods.

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 8:49:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Barring freaky weather and bad combat rolls for the Germans, the fall of Poland in S/O 39 should be a formality. It's whether the set-up is good enough to give the HQ, INF Div and pilots a reasonable chance of survival.

I'll move the HQ and Div to the wood hex in the far NE of Poland.

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 8:50:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

I like Mayhemizer's first attempt, but why the INF div there? Save it with the HQ in the extreme NE woods.


Division was there so that Germany kills it and then French bomber disorganizes any units in Katowice

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 8:50:25 PM   
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Barring freaky weather and bad combat rolls for the Germans, the fall of Poland in S/O 39 should be a formality. It's whether the set-up is good enough to give the HQ, INF Div and pilots a reasonable chance of survival. I'll move the HQ and Div to the wood hex in the far NE of Poland.







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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 8:52:05 PM   
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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 8:53:50 PM   
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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 8:59:43 PM   
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Good luck Poland!

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 9:10:15 PM   
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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 9:21:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't either but I think the NAV is placed to provide air cover against French CA's into the Baltic.

I'm not sure what happens in terms of pilot internment if the Polish aircraft are forced to rebase instead of voluntarily flying to the Baltic states. Would they only be able to rebase in Poland if over-ran?

Perhaps the HQ and INF Div would have been better in the other forest hex, as originally placed (but within possible range of a German land combat move), in order to prevent the aircraft from being over-ran.

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 9:57:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

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Next turn TRS picks up INF from Morocco.


Keep an eye out for Italian activity west of Gibraltar. The weakest Italian 6 moving CA with an INF div in the CSV is one of those better things to do (might be x2). If you vacate Morocco and Italy gets a surprise impulse...maybe the CW could have an INF div on a SCS ready just in case?




Missed this post earlier but the CW INF Div is placed with a 6-6 moving CA in Plymouth.

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/30/2016 10:34:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I think it is still safe for me to comment here, and the units are on the board, so... If I were Germany here, I would strike at the HQ with the NAV and hope for either of the two chances to flip it = 15% total. And then 10 future CW BPs are likely toast, particularly if the German Tank Destroyer is stacked with the MECH. Or, the Germans have plenty of force available to wander up there and do this any number of ways on the second Axis impulse, with no supply at all for the Poles, with a 22% chance to get one of the aircraft flipped first. But all of that is now out of the hands of the Allies.

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/31/2016 6:31:48 AM   
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Well I think it is still safe for me to comment here, and the units are on the board, so... If I were Germany here, I would strike at the HQ with the NAV and hope for either of the two chances to flip it = 15% total. And then 10 future CW BPs are likely toast, particularly if the German Tank Destroyer is stacked with the MECH. Or, the Germans have plenty of force available to wander up there and do this any number of ways on the second Axis impulse, with no supply at all for the Poles, with a 22% chance to get one of the aircraft flipped first. But all of that is now out of the hands of the Allies.


That was exactly what my "edit" post above was going to be all about. I don't like stacking everything together. The HQ and INF div are ok in the woods there, but the two aircraft could have been spread out in the two hexes SW of the forest.

I think everything will be ok.

On a side note, there is so much stuff around Poland...can they get everything back west in time for M/A'40? What if the weather sucks in N/D and J/F and turns go quick (I remember getting one impulse per turn has happened to me dozens of times)? There are lots of oil dependent units that will need to be railed if the weather is rain/storm/blizzard throughout the Winter. Used Subs and bombers/fighters as well. Will Germany expend an oil to re-org everything?


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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/31/2016 11:53:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		The problem with putting the planes in the 2 hexes SE of the woods is the 6 moving Mech and SPG can reach and over-run them. On the surprise impulse they are destroyed.

Stacking them potentially prevents that but there is another looming disaster. The Mech and SPG would attack at 9:5 (1:1 and 80% chance of 3:2) on the Blitz table. On 1:1 8+ causes a retreat but nowhere to run to. 7+ on 3:2.

The better location for the HQ and INF Div is the forest SE of Vilna. The ZOC stops the Axis getting to the planes in impulse 1. However it is then in range of the NAV plus the Ju-88 and He-111 on extended range. The Germans could also try a 16:4 attack using Rundstedt, MECH and SPG. 5+ succeeds on Assault table.

I've though of an alternative and E-mailed Warspite and Orm to see if thgey are happy to go with that instead as we haven't got started yet.

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/31/2016 1:03:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		The reasoning to get both the Polish HQ and division for the CW is a good one (especially with this German setup. Poland is gone anyway and it's better to fight another time with Rydz. The whole Luftwaffe is on the Polish doorstep). However, Vilna is a better place for the HQ to setup. If Germany wants to go to kill of the Polish HQ, the city gives better defense opportunities for the HQ. The HQ is always in supply there...

I tend to put two units in both Lodz and Warsaw. The way things are setup now, the INF NW of Warsaw can be attacked using the Blitzkrieg table and than Lodz will be entered as a result of the breakthrough. It's better for Poland to force the Germans into assault attacks on cities, to try get losses on the German army

And here is something else for you guys to think about. This is a lousy setup by Germany. It's so historical, that you can bide your time with France and see to it that you use the French TRS to bring in more troops from Algeria and Syria into France itself. Let the CW defend Algeria against possible Italian forces...



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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/31/2016 2:51:19 PM   
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The problem with putting the planes in the 2 hexes SE of the woods is the 6 moving Mech and SPG can reach and over-run them. On the surprise impulse they are destroyed. Stacking them potentially prevents that but there is another looming disaster. The Mech and SPG would attack at 9:5 (1:1 and 80% chance of 3:2) on the Blitz table. On 1:1 8+ causes a retreat but nowhere to run to. 7+ on 3:2.


Oh, good catch! I didn't see that.

How about the extreme SE of Poland near Bessarabia? I don't think any air or ground units can reach?

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/31/2016 3:13:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		You read my mind JT14. Just waiting for the green light for the revised set up and I'll post it up.

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 12/31/2016 3:18:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Y'all seem stuck in the Panzer headlights, freezing your thinking on ways to defend against them in the north-east. But since there are no Panzers or long-range Luftwaffe assets in eastern Czechoslovakia, given this particular German set-up, the Polish Carpathians / SW Ukraine are the area to hide from the Panzers. Or in the middle of the Pripets and see if Germany wants to use an HQ, flipping units moving in to the Pripets, just to hunt out the Polish HQ.

The Germans get two impulses to go after the HQ if they wish, but only one impulse to either overrun or flip the planes (and only if placed by Allied choice in range of the Luftwaffe). The HQ gets one chance to move in between but CW action limits can be in short supply on their first impulse.

But since Germany has set no other goals for the first turn, which really is a valid approach to Axis grand strategy, they have plenty of excess capacity in their forces on the Polish front to do this.

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 1/2/2017 11:28:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		CW needs to take another combined. I've realised my placement of the 2 TERRS in North Africa could have been better. At the moment either Haifa or one of the Egyptian ports would be vulnerable to the Italian INF Div attempting a surprise landing. Annoying as I could have just set them up where I am about to move them. Otherwise, I'll send out a couple of escorts and move Gort to Boulogne ready to disembark MOT to Calais.

The retreat in China will continue.

I take it USSR will occupy East Poland and the Baltic states? Any other movements?

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 1/2/2017 12:38:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Instructions in email. USSR DoW on Bulgaria and occupy East Poland.

If Bulgarian Inf is placed anywhere else than Capital, ground strike it with all possible bombers. Invasion to free port for automatic assault.

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 1/2/2017 1:39:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		How about if placed on the coast, possibly in the only port you could invade? You'll need some ground-support as I don't think the invasion will be automatic.

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 1/2/2017 4:28:31 PM   
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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 1/2/2017 4:31:50 PM   
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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 1/2/2017 5:43:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not on my computer, but USSR rails HQ from Siberia to west.

Land moves (does USSR have 5 or 6?)

2 are saved for invasion

Best INF to port in Rumanian border

Cav to east Poland

Com Chinese INF 3 hexes NE along that rail road

Does this make any sense?

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RE: ALLENK, MAYHEMIZER AND THEIR ALLIES ONLY (Reverse AAR) - 1/2/2017 5:45:01 PM   
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No HQ reorganization.

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