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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/14/2017 9:20:03 PM   
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You're missing an Oxford comma.


Huh?

Where?

The style guide my school uses has done away with the serial, or "Oxford" comma. If I don't use them that is why. Also, I think they'll eventually be phased out everywhere.


In your thread title.

I don't think they'll ever go away. They're absolutely necessary for clarity in lists at times. There's the famous example of:

We invited the hookers, Stalin and JFK.

vs.

We invited the hookers, Stalin, and JFK.


Technically, the use of a colon is more proper in the first enunciation. "We invited the hookers: Stalin and JFK."

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/14/2017 9:30:11 PM   
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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/14/2017 9:45:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

You're missing an Oxford comma.


Huh?

Where?

The style guide my school uses has done away with the serial, or "Oxford" comma. If I don't use them that is why. Also, I think they'll eventually be phased out everywhere.


In your thread title.

I don't think they'll ever go away. They're absolutely necessary for clarity in lists at times. There's the famous example of:

We invited the hookers, Stalin and JFK.

vs.

We invited the hookers, Stalin, and JFK.

Note to self: use the Oxford comma.

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/14/2017 10:24:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

You're missing an Oxford comma.


Huh?

Where?

The style guide my school uses has done away with the serial, or "Oxford" comma. If I don't use them that is why. Also, I think they'll eventually be phased out everywhere.


In your thread title.

I don't think they'll ever go away. They're absolutely necessary for clarity in lists at times. There's the famous example of:

We invited the hookers, Stalin and JFK.

vs.

We invited the hookers, Stalin, and JFK.


If it's an unclear order, just re-order and it becomes clear.

We invited Stalin, JFK and the hookers.

Is there confusion about the listing in the title of the thread?

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/14/2017 10:29:56 PM   
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Is there confusion about the listing in the title of the thread?


Well... shouldn't it be Supplies and Black Oil? After all, beans and bullets are abstracted in this game...

Hartwig

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/14/2017 11:01:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		The title is from the book. Although the original uses a serial comma.

There is a full copy on biblio I just found. I paid for it on Kindle, which is not bad at about £ 3.50, but the hardback is listed anywhere form £80-200!

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/BBBO/

I like reading a book about naval logistics in the Pacific War written by the admiral who actually ran Fleet logistics from 43-45.

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/14/2017 11:10:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		We knew the title had a classy origin. If you were Warspite or Chickenboy it would've been "Beans, Bullets and Boobs."

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/14/2017 11:20:45 PM   
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We knew the title had a classy origin. If you were Warspite or Chickenboy it would've been "Beans, Bullets and Boobs."


Haha!!

I almost titled it WAVES, WASPS and Rosie!!

I've been encountering a lot of pics of women who did their part in the war and thought of a tribute AAR title for them. Then I thought maybe it might end up with more pinups than update posts!



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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/14/2017 11:41:18 PM   
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We knew the title had a classy origin. If you were Warspite or Chickenboy it would've been "Beans, Bullets and Boobs."

You are selling Warspite short, I think: it would have been Boobs, Boobs, and Boobs.

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 12:03:10 AM   
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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 12:03:53 AM   
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We knew the title had a classy origin. If you were Warspite or Chickenboy it would've been "Beans, Bullets and Boobs."

You are selling Warspite short, I think: it would have been Boobs, Boobs, and Boobs.



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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 4:41:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

You're missing an Oxford comma.


Huh?

Where?

The style guide my school uses has done away with the serial, or "Oxford" comma. If I don't use them that is why. Also, I think they'll eventually be phased out everywhere.


In your thread title.

I don't think they'll ever go away. They're absolutely necessary for clarity in lists at times. There's the famous example of:

We invited the hookers, Stalin and JFK.

vs.

We invited the hookers, Stalin, and JFK.


If it's an unclear order, just re-order and it becomes clear.

We invited Stalin, JFK and the hookers.

Is there confusion about the listing in the title of the thread?


Well, you should also be listed first.

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe... - 3/15/2017 7:07:04 AM   
obvert


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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: obvert


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

You're missing an Oxford comma.


Huh?

Where?

The style guide my school uses has done away with the serial, or "Oxford" comma. If I don't use them that is why. Also, I think they'll eventually be phased out everywhere.


In your thread title.

I don't think they'll ever go away. They're absolutely necessary for clarity in lists at times. There's the famous example of:

We invited the hookers, Stalin and JFK.

vs.

We invited the hookers, Stalin, and JFK.


If it's an unclear order, just re-order and it becomes clear.

We invited Stalin, JFK and the hookers.

Is there confusion about the listing in the title of the thread?


Well, you should also be listed first.


Yeah, that's probably true. Changed it.

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 9:10:01 AM   
obvert


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You're title is better than my feeble effort of years ago, Eric. In a tortured nod to logistics, I titled my AAR vs. PanzerjagerHortlund: "War and Peas."


Still amuses me, that one!

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 11:00:01 AM   
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The title is from the book. Although the original uses a serial comma.

There is a full copy on biblio I just found. I paid for it on Kindle, which is not bad at about £ 3.50, but the hardback is listed anywhere form £80-200!

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/BBBO/

I like reading a book about naval logistics in the Pacific War written by the admiral who actually ran Fleet logistics from 43-45.


I started reading it on biblio, and it sounds interesting - thanks a lot for the link and recommendation.
Could you please tell me, if the Kindle version has the same amount of typios (or OCR errors), because just the start of the Biblio was plagued by quite a few. Thanks again!

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 11:25:37 AM   
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We knew the title had a classy origin. If you were Warspite or Chickenboy it would've been "Beans, Bullets and Boobs."

You are selling Warspite short, I think: it would have been Boobs, Boobs, and Boobs.


For Warspite it'd have been: "Boobs, Tits and Nice Rack" (Though last one might be "americanism"..)

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 1:07:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

You're missing an Oxford comma.


Huh?

Where?

The style guide my school uses has done away with the serial, or "Oxford" comma. If I don't use them that is why. Also, I think they'll eventually be phased out everywhere.


In your thread title.

I don't think they'll ever go away. They're absolutely necessary for clarity in lists at times. There's the famous example of:

We invited the hookers, Stalin and JFK.

vs.

We invited the hookers, Stalin, and JFK.


I still put in the comma.


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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 1:09:11 PM   
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We knew the title had a classy origin. If you were Warspite or Chickenboy it would've been "Beans, Bullets and Boobs."


Very nice CR!

I always like to use a book for my AAR title so I immediately liked this one. Have to admit that I don't own the particular book you refer to. many have said it is a fine read.

Good luck in your match!

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 1:28:32 PM   
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The title is from the book. Although the original uses a serial comma.

There is a full copy on biblio I just found. I paid for it on Kindle, which is not bad at about £ 3.50, but the hardback is listed anywhere form £80-200!

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/BBBO/

I like reading a book about naval logistics in the Pacific War written by the admiral who actually ran Fleet logistics from 43-45.


I started reading it on biblio, and it sounds interesting - thanks a lot for the link and recommendation.
Could you please tell me, if the Kindle version has the same amount of typios (or OCR errors), because just the start of the Biblio was plagued by quite a few. Thanks again!


Unfortunately it seems to. Things like "them" instead of "then." Small stuff, but things that would make my wife crazy. She is an editor and publisher by trade.

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 1:40:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the serial comma, my wife offers the following. She is Australian and works with both UK and US markets and so has to publish different versions for each area (as well as other international editions).

The serial comma is still used in American English via the Merriam Webster method. Brits drop the last comma. So it depends on whether you're using British English or American English...

So that is the publishing POV (unless you're working at Oxford University Press, I guess).

My English friend Chris hates it when I say British English.

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 1:43:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I started looking at airframe management.

If I remember correctly I can "upgrade" the starting P-38 groups to something less valuable if I have 25 planes to completely fill them out (since they are withdrawing and require the full 25 planes to upgrade).

Right?

Along those lines can I play with withdrawing some unneeded groups, like the PI group of P-26, and will those then appear in the USAAF pool?




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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 1:48:14 PM   
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My English friend Chris hates it when I say British English.


I work with a couple Brits and they always say American English or the Queen's English. Always makes me smile.


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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 2:51:45 PM   
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My English friend Chris hates it when I say British English.


I work with a couple Brits and they always say American English or the Queen's English. Always makes me smile.




"American English" = "murrican" But, since I was educated with "Queen's English", I might be bit biased... And worded years for British company..so there is that too...

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 3:00:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the comma issue, I see it both ways in the USA, though increasingly the comma is dropped.

I prefer using the comma. In my editing work for the magazine, I insert it when editing the stories of others.

I don't know what the AP style book says, but I agree with the Confederate private who was told that there was no such word as "cooter" in Webster's Dictionary. His reply: "I have as much right to make a dictionary as Mr. Webster."

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 6:07:00 PM   
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On the comma issue, I see it both ways in the USA, though increasingly the comma is dropped.

I prefer using the comma. In my editing work for the magazine, I insert it when editing the stories of others.

I don't know what the AP style book says, but I agree with the Confederate private who was told that there was no such word as "cooter" in Webster's Dictionary. His reply: "I have as much right to make a dictionary as Mr. Webster."


Language is a continual evolution. It's never static. The "rules" are made by the next generation, and right now some of their completely stumps me.

We just had a survey form the yearbook team at school. No idea what any of the new slang was about. At all.






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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 6:31:32 PM   
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We just had a survey form the yearbook team at school. No idea what any of the new slang was about. At all.





My son is only 10 and he comes home with new sayings all the time and I'm like huh? Damn I feel old some days...

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 7:10:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		A word that has become vogue over here is 'fascist.' What does it mean now? I look at it from a historical reference and just shake my head as I hear it or read about somebody being called that almost daily. Same as somebody being called a Nazi. I feel the need to define terms being used in conversations so I can determine what is being said.

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/15/2017 7:15:25 PM   
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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/16/2017 2:46:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

On the comma issue, I see it both ways in the USA, though increasingly the comma is dropped.

I prefer using the comma. In my editing work for the magazine, I insert it when editing the stories of others.

I don't know what the AP style book says, but I agree with the Confederate private who was told that there was no such word as "cooter" in Webster's Dictionary. His reply: "I have as much right to make a dictionary as Mr. Webster."


Language is a continual evolution. It's never static. The "rules" are made by the next generation, and right now some of their completely stumps me.

We just had a survey form the yearbook team at school. No idea what any of the new slang was about. At all.






Hrm, do you not get those? And here I thought we were the same age-ish.

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RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: Lowpe (J) vs obvert... - 3/16/2017 3:01:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I only know the answer to the first question: "V" is for Victory.

As for the other two, I haven't a clue.

As a freshman at the University of Georgia in 1979, I went on a date with a Georgia Tech coed in Atlanta. She mentioned that she'd recently attended the World Series in Cleveland. I was skeptical and said, "I don't think Cleveland has been in the World Series since the '40s." She gave me a withering look and said, "I meant the World Series of Rock and Roll."

Whatever that is.

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