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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/3/2017 8:13:19 PM

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Dec 22nd

I forgot to mention previously that Chinese guerilla units infiltrated Anyang last turn and took control of it. A nearby Japanese Division has been alerted and dispatched to retake the city.

As for this turn, relatively quiet, with Singapore and Bataan receiving the bulk of my air power. Another empty hex in China converted to Japanese control with no ability to meet the garrison requirements at the moment. Did receive a security unit in Tokyo, but it will take a few days to get it shipped to China.

Tokyo supply increased this turn after stopping the repairing of many factories. Will continue to monitor.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/3/2017 10:14:49 PM

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Dec 23rd and 24th

Been a quick pace today, these two turns seemed to have just blurred together.

An isolated PA division surrendered. That's one less at Bataan at least.

Sadly i botched my screen shot of a Thai Submarine landing a torpedo hit....but, it's party time!

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/3/2017 11:18:28 PM

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I need to work on my screen shot taking. Is there a program that just auto saves screen shots without me having to paste them to paint and then save them?

My surface fleet caught a cargo task force unloading at Port Moresby. All 10 ships were lost. Maybe I can bait Force Z here, assuming it regrouped somewhere around Australia. We shall see.

Mundy is being very aggressive with Chinese units, launching multiple attacks. No doubt he is "feeling" out the theater as it is a new experience for us both. No doubt his little coup at Anyang has emboldened him.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/4/2017 6:02:46 PM

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Dec 26th

My fears came to fruition. Force Z combined with other warships in the SRA merged together into one large flotilla and under the cover of darkness managed to strike my baby carrier Ryujo and sink it :(

My only blessing is the time my opponent waited to unleash it, otherwise it probably would have caused more damage if more aggressively used, especially with the KB starting at PH. But when he did use it, it was effective sadly. I have another KB fleet nearby that landed some torps into a couple light cruisers, hopefully the next day I can position correctly to deal more revenge damage.

I've stated from the beginning that I didn't like the idea of KB being forced to PH, while Force Z was given latitude to adjust its fate.

Land movement rates must be adjusted, some movements feel like they are taking forever, or maybe I'm still just adjusting to the "slower" pace of expansion :)

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/5/2017 3:18:30 AM

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Ouch, 48 planes gone from the KB ...

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/5/2017 3:40:30 AM

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Dec 27th

My hopes to catching their battle fleet, which fled towards java was thwarted by the many smaller vessels floating about. I have a STF and CTF besieging as best they can the port of Surabaya. Lots of ships there, and I'm hoping a few port strikes might do some damage. We shall see. Without a "sir robin" Singapore is packed to the brim with units. I'm scared to think what casualties will be inflicted when I'm ready to cross.

Sadly the Ryujo's loss could have been prevented, that's on me. I only mean to use it to further high lite what effect Force Z can have in the SRA with the KB forced to PH. Even the threat of the KB striking manila or singapore instead of PH could give extra caution to the allied player, but without this check it is possible for force Z to run rampant during much of December. The battleship fleet watching Malaya can't be everywhere. My point, with the attempt to create a historical japanese approach to early expansion, can be made moot by the free hand of Force Z. I am curious what a more aggressive allied player might accomplish with Force Z + the US/Dutch warships in the SRA before the main KB can return. My KB got there around 24-25 of December, so that's nearly 17-18 days for it to operate. Maybe additional battleships could be rushed in from Tokyo, probably shortening that by a few days. In a scenario already slowed down, a further week or two delays in troop landings could be huge. Who's to say, food for thought at this point in time.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/5/2017 4:23:26 AM

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Dec 28-29th

Force Z and it's cohorts have fled north, running to Ceylon? Still plenty of small fish to catch at Soerabaja and catching them I am.

Enemy CVs spotted near Port Moresby. I doubt the CVs would be alone, so I'm assuming both Ent and Lex are there.

My midway bombardment fleets decided to bombard Kure Atoll instead....causing a face palm moment.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/5/2017 9:42:48 AM

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I only mean to use it to further high lite what effect Force Z can have in the SRA with the KB forced to PH. Even the threat of the KB striking manila or singapore instead of PH could give extra caution to the allied player, but without this check it is possible for force Z to run rampant during much of December. The battleship fleet watching Malaya can't be everywhere. My point, with the attempt to create a historical japanese approach to early expansion, can be made moot by the free hand of Force Z. I am curious what a more aggressive allied player might accomplish with Force Z + the US/Dutch warships in the SRA before the main KB can return. My KB got there around 24-25 of December, so that's nearly 17-18 days for it to operate. Maybe additional battleships could be rushed in from Tokyo, probably shortening that by a few days. In a scenario already slowed down, a further week or two delays in troop landings could be huge. Who's to say, food for thought at this point in time.

Well, even with Force Z NOT being sent to auto-demise in this scenario, you are doing quite well, being more or less on time or even well in advance of the historic timeline (game dates in blue) :

December 10, 1941 - Japanese invade the Philippines and seize Guam > Tuguegarao December 9, 1941 - Aparri December 10, 1941 - Guam December 13, 1941

December 16, 1941 - Japanese invade British Borneo (Miri, Brunei) > Miri December 14, 1941, Brunei Bay-Seria December 27, 1941

December 22, 1941 - Japanese main landing on Luzon > Lingayen December 18, 1941

December 25, 1941 - British surrender at Hong Kong > December 13, 1941

January 3, 1942 - Japan captures Kuantan > December 11, 1941

January 11, 1942 - Japanese invade Dutch East Indies and Dutch Borneo (Tarakan, Menado) > Tarakan December 22, 1941 - Manado December 28, 1941

January 26, 1942 - Japan occupies Mersing > December 14, 1941

March 23, 1942 - Japanese invade the Andaman Islands in the Bay of Bengal > December 27, 1941

Since slowing-down the ops tempo was the goal of this mod, having Force Z injecting some caution into Japanese expansion plans seems fine for me.

I am actually surprises that Mundy did not use Force Z trying to prevent the landings at Mersing. Force Z could hide under air cover at Singers within reaction range of Mersing. In my ongoing DBB game against IdahoNYer, he saved Force Z as well and used it to harass me in the DEI (for example thrashing my air base at Jolo), but I eventually put it under and managed to capture the DEI more or less on schedule.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/5/2017 4:53:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
I am actually surprises that Mundy did not use Force Z trying to prevent the landings at Mersing. Force Z could hide under air cover at Singers within reaction range of Mersing. In my ongoing DBB game against IdahoNYer, he saved Force Z as well and used it to harass me in the DEI (for example thrashing my air base at Jolo), but I eventually put it under and managed to capture the DEI more or less on schedule.

I've tried this in more stock games rushing them up on Dec 7, but my results have been mixed. Usually they get caught anyway, but a few times, I did savage Haruna pretty badly with PoW. I just had cold feet this time around. Lately I've preferred to spring them on a Balikpapan landing, as that one base in Celebes is in easy reach of there. Being disbanded, unless the IJN really recons that little nobody base, he won't know they're there.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/5/2017 7:46:33 PM

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Dec 30th

Port strike on Soerabaja causing much damage to shipping there.

I actually had hoped force Z would attack Mersing, I was confident my battlefleet was more than a match for it. As Mundy eluded to, striking Mersing is still risky, even without KB nearby. If I knew Japan BB were near Mersing, I'd send force Z to North Borneo, even PI and harass shipping there. Much more confident taking on Heavy Cruisers than going toe to toe with other BB.

A fair point on force Z slowing down the expansion tempo. It is this aspect I don't have an issue with. I quite like the slower pace, so long as the allies face similar constraints. The fact that I can equate slower pace to historical progression I think says it all about just how fast the early game really is in most other scenarios.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/5/2017 8:34:20 PM

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Dec 31st

Midway falls as two infantry regiments storm ashore, quickly overwhelming the defenders.

Exodus from Soerabaja commences. Many ships sank by surface vessels and carrier planes. Love them small fish.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/6/2017 1:22:09 AM

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Jan 1st 1942

More small fishies are caught. Allied ships sunk exceed 200 in number.

City of Anyang was recaptured.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/7/2017 10:15:51 PM

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Jan 11th 1942

Been a while since last update, still slogging my way forward to Singapore and Bataan.

I think I caught Mundy off guard a little around Christmas Is. I pulled away to refuel, then returned to the area. I caught a good size transport convoy carrying, maybe a division. No clue where his carriers are, whether they still waiting around Port Moresby thinking my surface fleet there earlier was the beginning of a push there or not. I'm happy to let him patrol PM and the DEI while I can take shots at his transport convoys. Or it can be one big elaborate trap, Ender's Game style and he will pounce on my carriers there from two directions. Maybe we'll find out in due time.

Supply situation on the HI has improved, after finding where my bottlenecks were. Yes they were self made, but it's all about learning what I can get away with regarding the economy and any expansion.

And OMG, Tarakan will just not fall. I've had near 150 AV vs 0-5AV for the last 20 days maybe and the place just will not surrender. Those officers will be replaced, and they will not like where they end up.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/8/2017 10:58:03 PM

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Jan 13th 1942

Allied Carriers spotted near Canton Is. Thinking its two carriers. Debating about a seeking an engagement with them, but my main KB is out of torpedoes. Might be better to be cautious here.

Tarakan withstands yet another attack. There seems to be an infinite number of support squads there which is why it isn't surrendering the base. I don't know. I will just keep up the pressure.

Thai MTBs strike allied convoys outside Rangoon, landing one torpedo. So proud of my little Thai sailors thus far.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/9/2017 12:35:38 AM

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You torpedos are your killers and he probably has extra fighters, don't want to whittle away your air groups just to land a bomb or two on him and then he gets away.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/9/2017 1:17:56 AM

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Dec 15th 1942

Another attack at Taraken yields no surrender. 174 AV vs 4 AV, the siege continues. :(

Decided to not engage allied carriers, electing to withdraw and re-arm with torpedoes.

Getting nervous about recon reports in Rangoon. Over 40 units spotted, over 100,000 infantry spotted. And Mundy is confident enough to push forward a division to Moulmein.

We're advancing closer to a historical timeline for Singapore. I expect the crossing to happen sometime around Jan 24th. The question will be, with nearly the entire Malaya force withdrawn to Singapore, just how bad will the crossing be, and how long could this battle last. Flak at Singapore is heavy, and I have the plane losses to show it. Efforts to stall fort levels probably has failed.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/9/2017 1:48:18 PM

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At Tarakan, can you use your BBs and blast the defenders with a bombardment?

If he has that large an army at Rangoon, they're probably (?) from the reinforcements that start the game heading toward Malaya and Singapore. If so, then maybe the ground defense at Singapore won't be too bad when you get there.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/9/2017 3:32:39 PM

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Jan 16th 1942

Recon now shows 164 fighters, 112 bombers plus recon at Rangoon.

My advance in China continues as more Kempeitai units arrive.

@jwolf - I can bombard them, but I am hoping to avoid destroying the oil wells if possible. There are only Dutch units at Tarakan. Although the 3 week delay fighting here one could argue is more costly. Also, I am pretty sure any reinforcements for singapore went to Rangoon.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/9/2017 4:06:59 PM

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Ah, I hadn't thought about the destruction to the oil facilities. I'm an Allied player so I don't worry about that.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/9/2017 6:50:25 PM

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Jan 17th 1942

I think Mundy set a trap for any surface fleets I would send to Rangoon. After one was spotted, I sent it west, away from Rangoon. Now I see a potent STF and CTF around Rangoon. I assume looking for my task force. In truth, I was lucky. I sent my little fleet west as I was attempting to catch up to an allied bombardment fleet that was withdrawing towards Colombo, knowing they were low on ammo and thinking I could get a few shots in.

Started landings that will finish up what's left of Borneo.

A sub landed a torp into the CL Richmond.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/9/2017 7:51:23 PM

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Jan 19th 1942

My brave little Thai MTB squadron finally fell to an overwhelming allied surface fleet.

A small supply convoy headed for POrt Moresby was intercepted, all ships were lost including two australian DD

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/10/2017 3:37:05 PM

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Jan 22nd 1942

Subs fired 2 torps at kittyhawk, missing ;(

I slipped a carrier force behind Sumatra hoping to catch British carriers, well the cats out of the bag when my planes went after a transport convoy. The large AP west point was sunk.

Taraken withstands yet another attack.

Main KB armed with torps again, debating where to deploy it.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/10/2017 8:11:21 PM

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Jan 23rd 1942

Relatively quiet turn, intercepted a task force around Port Moresby, but it was able to escape after a short exchange of fire.

Doesn't look like I'll be moving into Singapore by the 24th, probably the 30th now.

Slowly pushing into the Rebaul area, and expanding around the Celebes Sea.

The 14th Army should be in Bataan on the 25th and let the siege begin.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/10/2017 10:15:52 PM

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Jan 25th 1942

Troops arrived at Bataan, bombardment will commence.

Allied troops begin their offensive south of Moulmein. 11 offensive units participate, including 4-5 Indian Bdes, an Indian Division, several burma bns and other units I forget. An additional 4 units are marching south from Moulmein. Plus an estimated 20-25 additional units of misc variety at Rangoon itself.

They've already brushed aside my main blocking units and there isn't much to stop them from marching on Bangkok. I may be forced to pull troops away from Singapore. I do have time, and am unsure how far my opponent will press. Perhaps thinking I'd respond quickly to this threat. He might see if I commit to singapore or not before marching further south. My best guess is he will occupy the local area, especially the coastline back down to Tavoy.

Not sure where allied carriers are, but mine are back underway.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/11/2017 9:24:39 PM

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Jan 28th 1942

The march to Singapore commences

Port attack on Diamond Harbor lands some hits, curious if my opponent will move the ships, but I suspect he will pull air assets up from Rangoon to intercept. So I'm thinking one more turn of port strikes then withdraw.

Taraken - I think i'm up to my 17th attack on this base, and once again the base holds firm.

Allied carrier planes spotted spotting canton is, presumed east of the island, I think hunting for my carriers, which are now discovered after they pursued and sank a small convoy at Tulagi. I wonder if he'll turn and try and engage, or sweep through the Marianas.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/12/2017 12:17:21 AM

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Jan 29th 1942

We'll call it the 18th attack on Tarakan is unsuccessful.

Images below show some crazy things.
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Image #1 - what's going on here? Seems a suspicious buildup of units.

Image #2 - rangoon situation - allies have 53+ units and over 120k troops among the bases.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/12/2017 3:01:21 AM

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Jan 30th 1942

One of these days I'll learn not to keep my carriers stationary. While refueling a swarm of DD hurled themselves at my mini-KB threatening Diamond Harbor. My DD escorts blocked their path allowing my carriers to withdraw from battle relatively unscathed. I wonder if i'll have any ops points to move next turn. I detached DDs from my tanker task force in the hopes they will intercept any pursuing forces. I have an undetected surface fleet also within reach at full speed. Who will fair better the next day, we shall find out soon.

My carriers did launch during the day and retaliate against those pesky DDs, landing hits on many of the evasive ships.

BC Repulse has been found, she linked up with the Houston in a task force near Brisbane heading north, I assume to engage my surface fleet harassing convoys heading to Port Morseby. But my main KB struck their flank from the east. Landing 2 torps and 16 bombs on the ship. I hope crippled enough to finish her off next turn. Other small fishies were sank in this area as well. Allied ships sank are over 300.

On a side note, over the last week or so, I've finally gotten news of the Arizona and Oklahoma sinking, gaining those VPs.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/12/2017 8:47:41 AM

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I noticed your problems at Tarakan and Rabaul.

The "civilians" are boosting the defense - non-combat units (squads) contribute 10% of their strength to defense.

As stated, I intended the civilians to be evacuated, while the military stays put and has to fight to protect them - thus preventing a "Sir Robin" with wholesale withdrawal of ships and military assets.

There are ample means to effect the evacuation - many small xAPs and xAKLs, air transport, subs. My tests in H2H showed that it is well possible to evacuate a large part of the civilians. Some have to be left behind, others are lost on ships trying to escape - which is all very historical.

Now, to incite Allied players who do not role-play the game but care about VPs to evacuate the civilians, I have made the "civilian" units relatively large, i.e. with many squads = many VPs. However, many "civilian" squads adding 10% AV to the defense explain your problems at Rabaul and Tarakan.

So, the problem comes from Mundy not role-playing "the script" so to say and not caring about the VP loss either, thus leaving the civilians to their fate.

Just bring a bigger hammer and enjoy the VP yield (if you care about VPs).

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/12/2017 2:48:27 PM

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Rebaul wasn't an issue, it only took two attacks there. I figured the civies had a bunch of support as I mentioned in an earlier post the notion of infinite support. It's almost comical at this point, thus I'm not too annoyed by it. With most of my strength devoted to Bataan and Singapore, it's just taking a while before troops are freed up to reinforce Tarakan.

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RE: Chutes and Ladders (Grauwolf(j) vs Mundy(a) LST Bot... - 5/12/2017 4:21:17 PM

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Jan 31st 1942

There was no immediate pursuit of my mini-kb near calcutta and have withdrawn to resupply. How quickly one runs out of torpedoes ;)

It appears the Repulse has indeed sunk, and my main KB is attacking every ship in sight along Australia's eastern coastline. I think I've forced my opponent to respond as a carrier fleet was spotted heading west. Taking Canton Is. is proving a most valuable observation point early on.

The infamous crossing at Singapore happened. 27 squads destroyed, 500+ disabled. Surprisingly not as bad as I expected. I think Johore should have its SL limits increased to 95k.

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