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RE: Disaster at Rangoon- advice needed - 6/9/2017 7:14:50 PM   
Jorge_Stanbury


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Status: offline 		No I meant "fast/ high capability" oilers hauling oil or fuel from the SRA directly to sweet home Japan


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RE: Disaster at Rangoon- advice needed - 6/10/2017 4:01:14 AM   
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No I meant "fast/ high capability" oilers hauling oil or fuel from the SRA directly to sweet home Japan



Don't sweat it, my first pick up game I never even took Rangoon.

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RE: Disaster at Rangoon- advice needed - 6/10/2017 4:47:55 PM   
verdugo94

 

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Status: offline 		Hello guys,

Thanks you very much for your answers and your support, I will have to inject the supply from another place to Burma, as I decided to repair the refineries from Borneo because of this, I would like to have more fuel in the region for surface ships and it also will free some TKīs that are taking oil from itīs duties to extract it from Rangoon.

BTW I think that they wonīt last long with this duty as Bullwinkle58 likes to bombard my oil production centers And Magwe is the closer he has.


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Japan needs oil, not fuel. There is excess refinery capacity in the HI

Of course having a fuel producing Rangoon is great for the fleet, but there are other relatively close places where the fleet can drink instead.

Rangoon is a river port (only ships <15K tons) and therefore cannot accept the bigger ships, hence it cannot be used to operate a main fleet



Who uses a port to refuel large surface ships? That is what oilers are for.


Why donīt you refuel them from port? Oilers do not supply ammo to their weapons.

And sorry for not saying clearly that I was playing Japan.


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RE: Disaster at Rangoon- advice needed - 6/10/2017 5:09:10 PM   
Yaab


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Status: offline 		Supplywise Burma IS a disaster. Free lunch = Magwe refinery ( if stock)

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RE: Disaster at Rangoon- advice needed - 6/10/2017 6:17:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: verdugo94

Hello guys,

Thanks you very much for your answers and your support, I will have to inject the supply from another place to Burma, as I decided to repair the refineries from Borneo because of this, I would like to have more fuel in the region for surface ships and it also will free some TKīs that are taking oil from itīs duties to extract it from Rangoon.

BTW I think that they wonīt last long with this duty as Bullwinkle58 likes to bombard my oil production centers And Magwe is the closer he has.


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ORIGINAL: Aurorus


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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

Japan needs oil, not fuel. There is excess refinery capacity in the HI

Of course having a fuel producing Rangoon is great for the fleet, but there are other relatively close places where the fleet can drink instead.

Rangoon is a river port (only ships <15K tons) and therefore cannot accept the bigger ships, hence it cannot be used to operate a main fleet



Who uses a port to refuel large surface ships? That is what oilers are for.


Why donīt you refuel them from port? Oilers do not supply ammo to their weapons.

And sorry for not saying clearly that I was playing Japan.




AKEs for rearming guns, torpedos, and air sorties on CVs. I do use ports to rearm, when ships return to port to repair or refit. Otherwise, just AKEs. Even when at port, I rarely use the port to refuel, except on the Home Islands. I just find that many ports, such as Truk are always too busy to refuel a large CV or SCTF TF. That is why I like to have a few AOs nearby to refuel the ships. Then the AOs return to the DEI, pick up more fuel, and return to the fleet. I mostly use fuel in ports for cargo, transport, and the small utility TFs (minesweepers, ASW, etc... .)

I use the fast oilers for the fleet. The slow oilers, I use to move oil or fuel from the DEI to the Home Islands. As Jorge mentions, they are more fuel efficient for continuous transit. Returning to port constantly to refuel uses more fuel. In my opinion, it is better to return to a major port only when necessary to repair, refit, or stand down. Hence in the long game, your CVs and SCTFs can remain on station, near the front, for much longer, using less fuel, if you use the oilers to run fuel to fleet rather than the fleet running to the fuel. Also ARs will repair minor operational damage. So, who needs ports?

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RE: Disaster at Rangoon- advice needed - 6/10/2017 6:53:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		But the sad reality is that Japanese CVs need to be disbanded in port as much as possible...otherwise it will be cold in 44

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RE: Disaster at Rangoon- advice needed - 6/12/2017 11:39:38 PM   
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Hello guys,

I have taken Rangoon on my pbem game, after a week of fights and a month of bombing daily the city it was mine last turn. I was happy till I saw the damage to itīs industry, everything(resources, refineries and LI) except manpower was down to 0. I donīt know if that kind of things happen sometimes or if itīs a bug because the odds were high( 8 to 1) as it is stated in the tech support or just bad luck.

The fact is that I have and I will have a problem with the supply in the region because nothing is producing it right now. I have making numbers and if I am not wrong repairing each industry point cost 1000 supply, so repairing for example the LI itīs only worthy if I hold the city for more than 1040 days! and of course I will have to send tfīs with resources from Singapur.

Apart from that another problem will be the fuel, Magwe produces oil and fuel but I wont think that the fuel is enough to operate in the region and send some to mainland.

I am a bit dissapointed with my bad luck on this because I was counting with Rangoon fairly intact, I moved the 3Air Division and bombard it to have the engineers supressed but this is a disaster..

I would need some advice abouth what to do if possible.

Thanks you very much.


From my experience this is fairly normal as the game goes. You had a long battle and I've seen similar things happen under such circumstances. In my current AI game I had a long battle for Johore Bahru, 100 resources. When captured the base was at zero. Sometimes its just bad dice roles too. I took an empty Pingsiang in China. It generates 120 resources and without opposition my 'attack' by one regiment resulted in 25% resources destroyed. So its the nature of the beast.

As for what you wish to repair or not, I say never repair refineries as Japan. Unless for some odd reason you've had a great amount destroyed. You have a large oil deficit in the HI, just ship as much oil as you can to the HI. I know in your case the oil was destroyed too, but in general the 'Empire' has far more refineries than oil. TBH I do repair a little of the damaged refineries, but its just to 'round' out the numbers. For instance if I get Miri with 149 refineries, I'll repair one for 150. That's just me though (I am a bit odd).

As for the small amount of supplies generated in the region, you probably won't even notice. From my experience if you are going to conduct 'heavy' ops there you will need to ship in large amount of supplies at any rate.

So my advice is 'buck up' and soldier on.

Edit:Let me add this as well. Never shock attack a base that has resources that you need. Shock attacks definitely increase the likelihood of damaged resources no matter what they be. Also shore bombardments will cause damage to base resources. In addition port attacks by air will damage repair facilities at that location. I'm not sure if any other types of air attacks damage facilities, other than what they're targeted for, I've only noticed that airfield attacks do not seem to do so.




< Message edited by rustysi -- 6/12/2017 11:47:01 PM >

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