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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/13/2017 2:13:58 PM

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German manpower loses >>>> than Soviet leader loses imo.

I'd still like to keep my best Soviet leaders in fighting shape.

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/13/2017 2:17:25 PM

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Also, nice to see 1,200 aircraft flying and nobody gets hurt. lol.

Please confirm which version of the game you're using, and what is the game version of scenario file.

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/13/2017 3:00:25 PM

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So why do German Regiments seem to inflict substantial more losses than German Divisions in like situations?

Smaller units (brigade and smaller) get +1 initiative modifier to leader rolls (affect firefight, and reserve activation). Large units (corps) get -1 initiative modifier to leader rolls.

That +1 is having a "significant" firepower increase. Not to mention a serious defensive bonus. Taking hardly any casualties while inflicting 100's is win win for the Germans & M60's SS shows it.

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/13/2017 3:02:09 PM

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I'm patched to the current version 1.11.01

If by game version of the scenario file you mean under what version was the scenario started, it was the previous one.

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/13/2017 5:04:52 PM

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That +1 is having a "significant" firepower increase. Not to mention a serious defensive bonus. Taking hardly any casualties while inflicting 100's is win win for the Germans & M60's SS shows it.

It was in the game forever, we even made it more Soviet friendly by removing penalty from Soviet tank and mechanised corps, as they were division sized units.

I guess Soviet players do not use economy of force and are thus penalised by the combat multipliers. But bonus higher rate of fire of German regiments make them expend ammo faster.

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/13/2017 5:06:00 PM

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I'm patched to the current version 1.11.01

If by game version of the scenario file you mean under what version was the scenario started, it was the previous one.

And your opponent?

Do you have saves to share, I would gladly examine them.

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/13/2017 5:31:32 PM

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That +1 is having a "significant" firepower increase. Not to mention a serious defensive bonus. Taking hardly any casualties while inflicting 100's is win win for the Germans & M60's SS shows it.

It was in the game forever, we even made it more Soviet friendly by removing penalty from Soviet tank and mechanised corps, as they were division sized units.

I guess Soviet players do not use economy of force and are thus penalised by the combat multipliers. But bonus higher rate of fire of German regiments make them expend ammo faster.

Perfect! Found my antidote for these little suxxors :)

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/13/2017 5:44:54 PM

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I'm patched to the current version 1.11.01

If by game version of the scenario file you mean under what version was the scenario started, it was the previous one.

And your opponent?

Do you have saves to share, I would gladly examine them.

It's the 8MP PBEM game going on in the AAR forum.

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/13/2017 5:47:04 PM

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I'm patched to the current version 1.11.01

If by game version of the scenario file you mean under what version was the scenario started, it was the previous one.

And your opponent?

Do you have saves to share, I would gladly examine them.

It's the 8MP PBEM game going on in the AAR forum.

Will message Morvael as suggested

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/13/2017 7:13:34 PM

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Thanks, I will work on this tomorrow.

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/13/2017 7:48:18 PM

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It's the 8MP PBEM game going on in the AAR forum.

You're pushing the game to its limits, and it goes crazy with the amount of battle reports. I will have to add some recycling of battle reports, so that only one recon per hex will be registered at most. That's why later it adds planes from multiple battles to one battle report. Sadly the design of the game is not flexible enough to handle such numbers (just like with reaching 32k aircraft, at least here it doesn't crash, but you're risking this all the time).

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/13/2017 8:00:53 PM

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Negative CV will have the same source, this is probably value overriden by some other battle where it stored some helper data.

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/13/2017 11:02:20 PM

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It's the 8MP PBEM game going on in the AAR forum.

You're pushing the game to its limits, and it goes crazy with the amount of battle reports. I will have to add some recycling of battle reports, so that only one recon per hex will be registered at most. That's why later it adds planes from multiple battles to one battle report. Sadly the design of the game is not flexible enough to handle such numbers (just like with reaching 32k aircraft, at least here it doesn't crash, but you're risking this all the time).

Well if you can convince Telemecus to stop attacking, that should solve the problem. He won't listen to me. Go figure.

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/13/2017 11:47:40 PM

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Nobody listens to me either.

< Message edited by charlie0311 -- 11/13/2017 11:48:11 PM >

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/14/2017 11:02:01 AM

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You're pushing the game to its limits, and it goes crazy with the amount of battle reports. I will have to add some recycling of battle reports, so that only one recon per hex will be registered at most. That's why later it adds planes from multiple battles to one battle report. Sadly the design of the game is not flexible enough to handle such numbers (just like with reaching 32k aircraft, at least here it doesn't crash, but you're risking this all the time).

Well if you can convince Telemecus to stop attacking, that should solve the problem. He won't listen to me. Go figure.

I think the weather can be very convincing!

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/14/2017 11:11:44 AM

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Well, maybe at least you could limit recon spamming. They are major source of battle data saturation.

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RE: Destroying Soviet formations in First winter? - 11/28/2017 7:57:59 PM

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Well, maybe at least you could limit recon spamming. They are major source of battle data saturation.

It could be done in the game maybe? For example, provide an interception bonus for Recon flying to a hex (area?) > 3 or something like that .. when the recon planes are shot down .. I would bet the negative reinforcement loop will stop the behavior. :)

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