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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/24/2018 4:28:16 PM   
Courtenay


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Status: offline 		Actually, land units are the *last* thing I would buy with the Free French. The first thing I would buy are naval transports, and particularly AMPHs. A couple of Free French AMPHs, plus some surface ships for escorts, and the Allies can launch an invasion with the US or CW taking a land. After that, the next thing would bombers, for ground strikes. There are never enough air actions; use the French ones.

Land offensives take a lot of units; building at a rate of one unit a turn, you won't get enough land units to make a difference, and even if you got some, they almost certainly would be mixed up with other Allied units, so would not be useful unless those units could move, and if they can move, why do you need the French? The one exception is the possibility of combining with French partisans, but I have never been able to pull that off.

So AMPHs, bombers, and TRSs are the way I would go with the French.

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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/24/2018 9:01:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Actually, land units are the *last* thing I would buy with the Free French. The first thing I would buy are naval transports, and particularly AMPHs. A couple of Free French AMPHs, plus some surface ships for escorts, and the Allies can launch an invasion with the US or CW taking a land. After that, the next thing would bombers, for ground strikes. There are never enough air actions; use the French ones.

Land offensives take a lot of units; building at a rate of one unit a turn, you won't get enough land units to make a difference, and even if you got some, they almost certainly would be mixed up with other Allied units, so would not be useful unless those units could move, and if they can move, why do you need the French? The one exception is the possibility of combining with French partisans, but I have never been able to pull that off.

So AMPHs, bombers, and TRSs are the way I would go with the French.


Don't forget the air transports for the Para's. I like to have at least one of those for Free France too. And you are right for not building a lot of land units with the Free French. But in this game, I would have build one since that partisan is in Bordeaux...

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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/24/2018 9:48:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rkr1958
It got railed into Moscow and then supply got cut to Moscow so the Germans could never reorganize it. It was overrun and lost when the Soviets took back Moscow. In retro-spec should have left the unit in Berlin to fight allied strategic bombing raids. Live and learn.


Yes, it would have been interesting to see it matched against the B-29s flying out of England.

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ORIGINAL: Courtenay
So AMPHs, bombers, and TRSs are the way I would go with the French.


In my current GW solitaire game, the Free French got a transport and several SCSs. And what have I built since then? Land units, despite seeing how useful that old 3-3 transport is for the Allies. I will learn someday.

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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 4:51:08 PM   
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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:07:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #1. Strategic Bombing Raids Against German Oil.

Unimpressive.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:08:05 PM   
rkr1958


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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #1. Axis Naval Threat Assessment.

Not much but still some German, Italian and Vichy naval threats. No IJN threat left at all.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:09:47 PM   
rkr1958


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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #1. Bay of Biscay (1/2).

And the allies experience the bite of the little German/Italian naval threat that remains.





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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:10:23 PM   
rkr1958


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Some measure of payback by the allies.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:12:00 PM   
rkr1958


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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #1. Italian Coast. Husky II.

Massive joint USN/RN invasion, reinforcement, support and supply task forces off the coast of Italy. No will the weather cooperate?




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:13:36 PM   
rkr1958


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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #7. Weather.

Weather is marginal for Husky II landings but the CW/US decide to execute a limited (i.e., single) landing on the Italian mainland.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:16:41 PM   
rkr1958


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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #7. Western Allies. Amphibious Landing. Ancona, Italy.

A strategic mistake by the axis of only relying on only notionals to defend the minor port of Ancona is exploited by the CW/US but at the cost of two of the three invading unit. The end result is that the Western Allies now have a toe-hold on the Italian mainland. The question now is will they be able to hold and expand their beachhead?

Editor's note: It's amazing the strategic and tactical mistakes I make and don't see until I'm playing the other side. If I ever play a game again against another human I plan to wargame through my turn and then "play my opponent's side" to see if I've left any holes. Will take more time to play my turn but should make my play stronger




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:23:11 PM   
rkr1958


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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #7. USSR. The Leningrad Front.

I guess technically the Red Army has no "officially" broken the axis siege on Leningrad. They now need to reestablish a rail link to the city in order to get the Leningrad factory producing.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:25:12 PM   
rkr1958


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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #7. USSR. The Moscow Front.

Wow ... another loss inflicted by Badoglio against the Moscow Front. It goes to show that even with a PWIN of 76.5% there's still a 23.5% chance of losing.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:26:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #7. USAAF, Strategic Bombing Raid. Japan.

USAAF strategic bombers manage to knock out the only Japanese production point.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:28:18 PM   
rkr1958


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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #7. communist Chinese. Shanghai, China.

Mao's communist Chinese fail with a 72% PWIN to take Shanghai.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:32:09 PM   
rkr1958


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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #7. Nationalist Chinese. Hanoi, French Indo China.

Chang and his Nationalist Chinese, though with a significantly lower PWIN, fail to even inflict a loss on the IJA 3-stack defending Hanoi. Couple this with the fact the Chinese air-force as failed in probably a half-dozen attempts (i.e., ground strikes) over the past 4 or 5 turns to disorganize a single unit.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:34:56 PM   
rkr1958


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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #11. Weather.

FYI: Assuming the turn ends during this impulse pair, which is a very good assumption at 90% it will, the +2 weather modified significantly increases the chance of fine weather in the Med, north temperate and arctic for next turn's first impulse pair.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:36:58 PM   
rkr1958


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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #11. German, Oil. USAAF/RAF Strategic Bombing Raids.

Allied bombers do a much better job hitting German oil. 2 of 5 of the available German/Italian oil income is knocked out. That's significant.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:39:15 PM   
rkr1958


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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #11. USSR. The Moscow Front.

The Moscow Front continues to grind away at the axis. It's about inflicting losses and gaining ground. Soviet losses are immaterial, except for the units lost, that is.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:41:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #11. USSR. The Polish Front.

The Red Army continues to grind away, also, on the Polish Front. Though they suffered massive disorganization they suffered no losses owing to the ability to choose blitz over assault.






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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:43:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #11. US/CW. The Balkan Theater of Operations (BTO). (1/2).

The Western Allies do some of their own grinding in the BTO in an attempt to break the southern flank of the axis there.





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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:47:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Allied #11. US/CW. The Balkan Theater of Operations (BTO). (2/2).

An aggressive combined US/CW airborne drops takes a vital port in Greece and cements the allies attempt to get around the axis southern flank in the Balkans.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:49:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Axis #14.

The turn ends at the conclusion of the axis #14 impulse. With respect to turn initiative it remains the same as last turn. Neither side has an advantage (i.e., 0 of the track) and the allies win ties since the axis won the last initiative and elected for the allies to move first.

Turn 33. Jan/Feb 1945. Destroyed / Repair Pools.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:50:38 PM   
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Allied convoys are still taking losses.




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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:51:18 PM   
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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:52:58 PM   
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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:53:46 PM   
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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:54:07 PM   
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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:55:33 PM   
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RE: An Attempt to use MWiF to Simulated WW2 Reasonably ... - 7/27/2018 5:56:05 PM   
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